Will major things be done in the offseason to improve our team?

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1 minute ago, DSVII said:

I've always been under the impression that this incarnation of the Canucks will be competitive in the same style as the Islanders. Team effort, not one superstar, and balanced scoring across all the lines. However, don't understate the effect of Superstars, three of those superstar cores listed have already won cups.

 

Toronto qualified for playoffs every year since acquiring Matthews in a tougher division and took a Stanley Cup Finalist to 7 games three times (Same reason we give ourselves props for taking Blues to 7, let's be consistent here.)

 

McDavid didn't get in the playoffs because Chiarelli self destructed the team and traded Hall and Eberle for peanuts and grit. But he's gone and the team is on the upswing now. 

 

So we shouldn't make such a huge deal about our Calders then? haha

Number one draft picks overall.

 

Matters.

 

 

[Tom Sestito]

lots of ppl hinging their hopes on players not demanding trades out of mediocrity if we aren’t competitive ala eichel 

[JM_]

4 minutes ago, DSVII said:

I've always been under the impression that this incarnation of the Canucks will be competitive in the same style as the Islanders. Team effort, not one superstar, and balanced scoring across all the lines. However, don't understate the effect of Superstars, three of those superstar cores listed have already won cups.

 

Toronto qualified for playoffs every year since acquiring Matthews in a tougher division and took a Stanley Cup Finalist to 7 games three times (Same reason we give ourselves props for taking Blues to 7, let's be consistent here.)

 

McDavid didn't get in the playoffs because Chiarelli self destructed the team and traded Hall and Eberle for peanuts and grit. But he's gone and the team is on the upswing now. 

 

So we shouldn't make such a huge deal about our Calders then? haha

 

Edmonton is only doing well because Smith is playing well. They got very lucky that Smith found some fountain of youth otherwise they'd be about where Calgary is. 

 

TO is also poised for an early bounce with the state of their goaltending. 

[appleboy]

If you go back just a few years you will see that the team had Bo, Jake and a bunch of old guys.  Jims first 3 years were about the twins.

 

Now we have  Demko, Petey, Hughes, Hoglander, Bo , Boeser, Miller , Schmidt , Meyers,  OJ and a few waiting in the wings. Pod and our first this year. Lind , Rathbone and maybe Gad.

 

People need to back away from the cliff.   LOL

 

All I would like to see is the addition of a real president of hockey opps.  Someone who knows how to build a winner. We have solid owners who are willing to spend but they make a real bad president and that is what has been happening.  We need a couple of more years of solid drafting and then there needs to be someone at the helm that can utilize the cap space in a wise manner. 2022/2023 could be the beginnings of something good.

 

Moving out Green right now will accomplish nothing. No coach is going to have a winning record with this lineup. The team is still incomplete.

[smithers joe]

i don't know if benning will be back but discounting just the negative moves he has made, he has built a good cupboard of decent talent. horvat and edler were already here. possible next year we'll see;

horvat, pearson and lind together; hoglander, miller and podkolzin together; petey and boeser with either petey's brother or a tough winger to ride shotgun. hopefully, we'll see hughes and hamonic; myers and juolevi; rathbone with chatfield, woo or schmidt.

motte and highmore have good speed on 4th line. maybe sutter could be signed cheap to play 4th line center?

imo the question marks are ; edler, sutter. virtanen, beagle, roussel, hawryluk, vesey, boyd, bailley and eriksson.

i see seattle taking holtby and louie retiring. jake and roussel moved. many of these players contracts expire after this year, who will they re-sign and who are let walk?

hopefully we get beniers, eklund, clarke, hughes, edvinsson, powers, guenther or johnson in the draft.

i see this team as over half full, rather than under half empty.

i could see his reasoning in added the players he did. he miscalculated sutter's worth, he saw sutter as a 2nd line center, instead of a 3rd line center. but sutter has been a good checking center.  beagle and roussel were the type of players the team needed at the time. unfortunately he had to over pay them. virtanen wasn't a very good pick and the jury is still out on juolevi, mccann and gaudette.  some other players were not good moves but worth a try.  could jim had done better, yes of course he could. has he done some good things along with mis-steps, yes he has. it will be up to FA what jim's fate is.  hopefully it will be a hockey decision and not a fan decision.

thanks canucks, it has been a tough year.

[Jester13]

Yes, use Crosby as an example, top three or four player of all time. 

 

This thread is nothing but a cj for Benning haters. 

[Boudrias]

The distraction of playoffs are out of the way, finally. Play the season out with prospects getting 7-8 games. Benning is in Texas at the U18 which is excellent. 
 

The biggest issue is the d-side game. The talent seems to be there which suggests coaching to me. Whether that is just Baumgartner or includes Green as well is the question. Ultimately Green has to take responsibility. Maybe what’s his name in Carolina would want to come home? Does he still badmouth the Canucks? No question about credentials.

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Jester13 said:

Yes, use Crosby as an example, top three or four player of all time. 

 

This thread is nothing but a cj for Benning haters. 

Exactly... I’ll just leave this here 

 

 

[Pickly]

What major changes? A lot. But in all

honesty, it sounds as if the brass is content just continuing on the same path  they are currently on. 

[Guest]

In 2016-17 the Colorado Avalanche had the worst season in NHL history since 1999 (Atlanta Trashers in their expansion year).  

 

These were their top players that year (note that their age at the time is in the last column)

 

29	Nathan MacKinnon	C	82	16	37	53	16	-14							21
9	Matt Duchene	C	77	18	23	41	12	-34							25
96	Mikko Rantanen	R	75	20	18	38	22	-25							19
4	Tyson Barrie	D	74	7	31	38	18	-34							25
92	Gabriel Landeskog	L	72	18	15	33	62	-25							23

 

Their off-season the following year included a whole bunch of nothing other then signing Alex Kerfoot out of Harvard (I believe that he refused to sign with the team that initially drafted him). 

They also used their 4th overall pick (that was the year that both Colorado and us dropped three picks in the lottery) to draft Cale Makar. This would mark the third year in a row where Colorado gets a good player with their 1st round pick but whiffs on pretty much all others. 

Matt Duchene was shipped out in a deal to Ottawa for Kyle Turris and a draft pick.  

 

Colorado would go on to rebound the following year and make the playoffs ever since. 

[tas]

1 hour ago, Jimmy McGill said:

 

Edmonton is only doing well because Smith is playing well. They got very lucky that Smith found some fountain of youth otherwise they'd be about where Calgary is. 

 

TO is also poised for an early bounce with the state of their goaltending. 

I'm sorry, but this is a ridiculously meaningless statement. "team x is only succeeding because the player they chose to sign as their starting goaltender is playing well." that doesn't make them lucky, it makes them smarter than you. 

[Bure2Win]

2 hours ago, debluvscanucks said:

Number one draft picks overall.

 

Matters.

 

 

Yup Edmonton pretty much screwed the rest of the NHL with the draft because of winning it so many times they had to change the rules.......Sigh.   How anyone can cheer for that team is completely beyond me?

Edited May 2, 2021 by Bure2Win

[ShawnAntoski]

Alot of good points but the on ice product we are watching sucks - right now.  Imo, the team can improve two ways: more roster changes or a coaching change, which one is cheaper ?   

 

This off season will be very improtant and I hope JB will look into what the Laffs had done by signing former first line players (Thornton & Spezza) to complement/shelter the young players to cheap (700k each) short term deals instead of spending alot of the cap on players with great intagibles but lacking on the ice.  

 

Preferably, I would like to see the roster with a different staff, Aquaman hires a team president that can complement JB and ALL THE FA WALKS - time to replenish the prospect cupboard.  Would had been nice if they would had recognized & accepted early on that this is a lossing season; and had swtiched to playing & showcasing the future but I understand Greens' reasoning to sticking with the vets, who he knows & trust.  With hindsight and despite playing the vets heavy minutes the result is still a lossing season with no real idea about most of the rookies and there roles in the team next year; with the obvious exception of Hogz & JC (although, Lind seems to had forced himself into the lineup - great; hopefully Gadj will do the same).

Edited May 2, 2021 by ShawnAntoski

[Bure2Win]

It's as simple as improving the defense, i've been saying it for decades. You improve the defense it makes the the rest of the team play with that much more confidence thus your over game improves, more goal scoring and better goal tending.  It's not rocket science, even an idiot like myself can see it.

[ShawnAntoski]

26 minutes ago, Bure2Win said:

Yup Edmonton pretty much screwed the rest of the NHL with the draft because of winning it so many time they had to change the rules.......Sigh.   How anyone can cheer for that team is completely beyond me?

It seems the missing piece was a decent & consistent goalie to complement the two headed monster. 

 

Yeah, EDM seems to had followed a version of the Pitsburgh model but they forgot to draft a goaltender to build around whereas, Pits was also able to draft MAF to be that goalie - Pitsburgh lottery luck is quite exceptional: from 2003 to 2005 they had drafted MAF, MALKIN, CROSBY AND STAAL (Dont forget, 1984 when they tanked and grabbed Super Mario).  Although, from my perspective and watching the NHL during those years, it seems had they planned (knowing Crosby will eligible in 2004) and accepted that they needed to tank for those years to start there transition to a new dynasty by drafting there two headed monster but tanking is not an accepted mindset here cause that is considered accepting a losing culture & overpaying for players with great intagibles seems to be a good way of covering up a rebuild with the perception of building a winning culture but the cap & with hindsight this strategy of overpaying for the intangibles seems to had hurt the team or at the very least, did not help the team.   Ofcourse, there was no guarantee that Pits was going to be drafting Crosby & Malkin but they made sure they improved there chances and the draft lottery rules are different now.   My point, is that the most of the fan and the owners (due to the playoff revenue) will not accept the Canucks purposely tanking due to very valid reasons.

Edited May 2, 2021 by ShawnAntoski

[Pears]

9 hours ago, Outsiders said:

I think the Canucks just need to continue to get younger. The Vets and Project players like Roussel, Beagle, Vesey, Boyd, Highmore all need to go. This year was a crap shoot from the start. We also just aren't good enough. However, we got young players that can play and need to be played. 

 

Hoglander-Pettersson-Boeser

Miller-Horvat-Podkolzin

Pearson- _______-Lind

Motte-Jasek-MacEwen

Gadjovich

 

IF we are able to sign/more likely trade for a solid 3rd line C we'd be golden 

 

Hughes-Hamonic

Rathbone-Myers

Juolevi-Tryamkin

 

 

Schmidt traded hopefully for that 3rd C we need

 

Demko

DePietro 

Why trade Schmidt for a 3C when we already have multiple options for one?

[ktcy2]

Boeser I think could be on the market. With his bounce back season we could sell high. Brock is great for what he does but not at the price tag of 7.5 million. You gotta think there has to be thoughts about trading him? The most important pieces are Petey and Hughes. We just don’t have that type of money for BB.

[ilduce39]

I can see a world where we don’t change very much and have a completely different season on the ice.  

 

It’s just been such a strange year - stumbling hard out of the gate and now slogging through a series of 2-in-3 nights post-COVID and no Petey.  

There’s no magic wand moves to turn us into contenders - our best young players need to get back on track before that outcome gets into view. 

 

Biggest off-season items are Petey and Hughes contacts.  Unless you want to see management sink assets to ship out Eriksson talk about “decade long rebuild” is irrelevant as long as we position ourselves for the near future. 
 

For actual moves, I’d like to see Sutter and Hamonic back on reasonable deals.  Sutter works as a 3 or 4 C depending on what you want to do with Petey-Miller-Bo.  
 

We’re already adding Podkolzin whose two way profile and passing should gel perfectly with our offensive-oriented shooters. 

 

The D remains a work in progress - mostly because I don’t see how you land a 1D outside of a massive UFA contract or a trade that opens a hole elsewhere. That remains the issue and outside of winning the draft lottery there’s no easy fix. 
 

We have Schmidt as part of a top pair... and Hughes-Hamonic works as a second pair for me. Juolevi-Meyers I like as the last pair.  
 

We’re just missing Edler from 5 years ago to play with Schmidt - or a comparable.  Rathbone next year brings some rookie sizzle.
 

Demko locked up between the pipes looks solid. 
 

Again, it’s a lot more about guys regaining their form rather than making big sweeping moves - then you look to land a home run in trade or FA as Loui/cap rrecapture fade out next offseason.   To that end, I could see moving on from Green and co but I’d be bummed if we lost Clark.

[Pears]

10 minutes ago, ktcy2 said:

Boeser I think could be on the market. With his bounce back season we could sell high. Brock is great for what he does but not at the price tag of 7.5 million. You gotta think there has to be thoughts about trading him? The most important pieces are Petey and Hughes. We just don’t have that type of money for BB.

Boeser is just as important of a piece as those two. He isn’t going anywhere. 

[King Heffy]

Fire Brown and Baumer and replace them with actual coaches.