Odjick the Warrior Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 Jeff Gorton has rebuilt the New York Rangers since being hired in 2015-2016 and knew when to sell off veteran players for draft picks which helped speed up the rebuild and the team drafted well and knew what players to target in free agency and in the trade market (RFA’s) and handle the cap to not be hamstrung and be creative with the cap when needing to make room which are all things Jim Benning and the current management has not been able to do. He brought the Rangers from the basement of the Metropolitan division in 2017-2018 to 2021 where there are a young team with a game breaking super star in Panarin and young prospects in Kakko and Lafreniere from the draft. what is your take? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Goose Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 JB gonna prove the haterz wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 (edited) Hard no if this is true. Refusing to stand up for his players against a corrupt league and insist on Parros being fired for his criminal negligence reflects poorly on not only his professional judgement, but on his manhood. Edited May 6, 2021 by King Heffy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 My take is that NYR got lucky with the lottery draft. Kakko and Lafreniere were no brainers. As far as salary cap goes. Sure. Gorton has a better track record. However, I wonder if JB free agent signings weren't influenced by the owner (FA). Pretty sure it was at the start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silky mitts Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 Easy over jimbo the worst gm in the league . God our management has turned the Canucks into a laughing stock , we are mocked by other fan bases . 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Goose Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, BPA said: My take is that NYR got lucky with the lottery draft. Kakko and Lafreniere were no brainers. As far as salary cap goes. Sure. Gorton has a better track record. However, I wonder if JB free agent signings weren't influenced by the owner (FA). Pretty sure it was at the start. They were influenced by where the team was at at the time. EP hadn't played a single game. You've got a young Boeser and Horvat. No Miller or Pearson. No Hughes yet. Canucks needed to insulate the younger guys. COVID and the Luongo cap threw a serious wrench into those plans. Those contracts would have been expiring with the cap going up as EP and Hughes are coming off their ELCs. Maybe Roussel would have been better if that knee injury never happened. If you ask me I'd much rather have Beagle in the line up than not right now. Guy plays the game hard, is a good 4th line C and a good leader off the ice. You look at JBs contracts over the past two years and what is their to groan about? Pearson? They kind of need that guy. Demko? Myers is starting to be that dependable difference making dman they signed. Canucks are going to turn a corner after this stupid season. Fix a few of the holes in their line up and let's see what happens Edited May 6, 2021 by Angry Goose 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 7 minutes ago, Silky mitts said: Easy over jimbo the worst gm in the league . God our management has turned the Canucks into a laughing stock , we are mocked by other fan bases . Dubas finally got replaced with a qualified hockey person? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Angry Goose said: They were influenced by where the team was at at the time. EP hadn't played a single game. You've got a young Boeser and Horvat. No Miller or Pearson. No Hughes yet. Canucks needed to insulate the younger guys. COVID and the Luongo cap threw a serious wrench into those plans. Those contracts would have been expiring with the cap going up as EP and Hughes are coming off their ELCs. Maybe Roussel would have been better if that knee injury never happened. If you ask me I'd much rather have Beagle in the line up than not right now. Guy plays the game hard, is a good 4th line C and a good leader off the ice. You look at JBs contracts over the past two years and what is their to groan about? Pearson? They kind of need that guy. Demko? Myers is starting to be that dependable difference making dman they signed. Canucks are going to turn a corner after this stupid season. Fix a few of the holes in their line up and let's see what happens I'm more than willing to wait and see how the Canucks fare in 2-3 years. Get out of the crap contracts and go from there. Hard no on spending $$ on UFA trying to speed up the rebuild. On the plus side of sucking is that in 2023 is the draft year of a couple phenoms (possible generational talent). Edited May 6, 2021 by BPA Grammar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddhahoodlum Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 17 minutes ago, Silky mitts said: Easy over jimbo the worst gm in the league . God our management has turned the Canucks into a laughing stock , we are mocked by other fan bases . We've always been mocked by other fanbases. Even when we won back to back President's Trophies. Who cares. Get over it. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post khay Posted May 6, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 6, 2021 JB stays at least until next season. If the team fails to improve next season, that's the time. Some of Gorton's success looks more like luck than anything. Kakko and Lafreniere. Panarin choosing to sign with NYR. Fox also, basically chose to sign with NYR as college free agent (or soon to be college free agent). If he didn't want to, he could still hold out and wait until he became a free agent. He had DeAngelo mess. He traded for Trouba. Looking back, I don't know if NYR won the trade. Pionk looks like a real deal and the first round is Ville Heinola, highly touted defenceman with offensive upside. On the other hand, Troube looks OK but not good enough to be an 8 millon dollar player. Not convinced that he is a clear upgrade. 1 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 (edited) I disagree with the OP. Benning should be fired now and replaced...not in the offseason. Let the new guy plan for the expansion and entry drafts. Edited May 6, 2021 by Provost 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 I would do it today. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odjick the Warrior Posted May 6, 2021 Author Share Posted May 6, 2021 42 minutes ago, Angry Goose said: They were influenced by where the team was at at the time. EP hadn't played a single game. You've got a young Boeser and Horvat. No Miller or Pearson. No Hughes yet. Canucks needed to insulate the younger guys. COVID and the Luongo cap threw a serious wrench into those plans. Those contracts would have been expiring with the cap going up as EP and Hughes are coming off their ELCs. Maybe Roussel would have been better if that knee injury never happened. If you ask me I'd much rather have Beagle in the line up than not right now. Guy plays the game hard, is a good 4th line C and a good leader off the ice. You look at JBs contracts over the past two years and what is their to groan about? Pearson? They kind of need that guy. Demko? Myers is starting to be that dependable difference making dman they signed. Canucks are going to turn a corner after this stupid season. Fix a few of the holes in their line up and let's see what happens But who outside of their AHL prospects is coming to the Canucks to make a difference? They don’t have the cap space to add a top 4 defenseman that they could trade for before the expansion draft to make a difference because almost all are in the $4-$5 million cap hit range Benning is real bad at signing veteran players to market value and what has shown us that JB is going to change and stop going to sign players like Beagle, Bartschi, LE, Pearson and couldn’t sign Taffoli to a measly $4 million cap hit? He has been here for what 7-8 years and 2 playoffs among them while Gorton has the Rangers farther ahead of the Canucks in rebuilding. You said Gorton was lucky with Lafreniere and Kakko but what about his draft picks that are on the Rangers and making a difference like Miller and both of their goalies and Adam Fox was acquired in a trade with Carolina I believe. I am not saying he isn’t bulletproof and hasn’t made mistakes as the big one was Shattenkirk was the big miss in free agency and in the draft with Lias Andersson and then the whole Tony DeAngelo incident which is a lot less then the mistakes Benning has made in his 7-8 years in Vancouver. If you have only made the playoffs 2 times in a 7 or 8 years as a GM you are in a rare category because how many Canadian team GMs get that long with no playoffs to keep their job? Not many, most don’t reach 5 years without a playoff appearance He either doesn’t have a plan or ownership is making the decisions behind the scenes. Gorton will take the Canucks to the next level as long as the owners don’t interfere with his plan and that is one thing he has shown is a plan. After all the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results which is what you are describing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odjick the Warrior Posted May 6, 2021 Author Share Posted May 6, 2021 42 minutes ago, BPA said: I'm more than willing to wait and see how the Canucks fare in 2-3 years. Get out of the crap contracts and go from there. Hard no on spending $$ on UFA trying to speed up the rebuild. On the plus side of sucking is that in 2023 is the draft year of a couple phenoms (possible generational talent). You are actually going to believe this management when they said they are 2 years away lol Can I sell you some magic beans too lol Benning has had more then enough time to make a difference and have a plan but that’s the problem that this management does not have a plan otherwise they wouldn’t have signed the cap heavy bottom 6 players to those ridiculous contracts or Myers $6 million for 6 years which has hampered them from going out and trading for a top 4 defenseman that is going to be taken by Seattle in the expansion draft but the player’s team wants to get a draft pick and live body for the expansion draft. Insanity is trying the same thing over and over and hoping for a different outcome and that’s what keeping Benning is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, IjustNEEDaTROYgamble said: But who outside of their AHL prospects is coming to the Canucks to make a difference? This is the part almost everyone is ignoring. They are just looking at se bad contracts coming off the books and figuring all will be well. How do we get better even with that small amount of cap space we will have? (Keeping in mind we will have a bunch of expensive re-signings coming up in successive years after that). To get UFAs as a bad team, you have to overpay. If you are a consistently bad team like us, what veteran wants to come here... never mind at a reasonable contract. If you want to make trades for good established players you need picks and prospects... if you want to get blue chip up and coming players, you have to actually trade away established veterans. We haven’t done any of that and don’t have any spare assets like that to trade. The time to move was last offseason. There was really good buzz all around the league from our bubble play. We should have paid assets to free cap space and used that space to get better and not take a step back. Players would have waived NTC to come to a team on the rise or UFAs looking for a winning situation would have signed. Geez how much better does the team look just by having traded Virtanen and a small cap dump like Baertschi for anything and then having signed Toffoli with that money? Never mind the opportunities to be had if we had cap space at the time. We are no longer considered a team on the rise by other players, so there is mo cavalry coming. After Podkolzin and Rathbone graduate to the NHL, we have a desperately thin prospect pool again with no more real difference makers in the system. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilya Mikheyev Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 I'm neutral on a Benning firing right now, but stepping away from the NYR statement is embarassing. No thanks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odjick the Warrior Posted May 6, 2021 Author Share Posted May 6, 2021 20 minutes ago, Teemu Selänne said: I'm neutral on a Benning firing right now, but stepping away from the NYR statement is embarassing. No thanks. I don’t think Gorton or the President who got fired were behind the statement and this sounds like a typical James Dolan move when his Rangers or Knicks get punked in public as he has done these type of out of nowhere firings on the Knicks for decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 Why is Gorton so great he got fired for being a coward. He rebuilt the Rags? I mean did he tho? Kakko and LaFrienere was there another choice? 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VancouverHabitant Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 We should fire Benning and hire Taylor Hall. Then we can win the next lottery or two. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 18 minutes ago, IjustNEEDaTROYgamble said: I don’t think Gorton or the President who got fired were behind the statement and this sounds like a typical James Dolan move when his Rangers or Knicks get punked in public as he has done these type of out of nowhere firings on the Knicks for decades. Looks like they actually had a problem with the NHL being held accountable. Those guys threw their players under the bus by distancing themselves and deserved to be fired. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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