[Discussion] Canucks should fire Benning and hire Jeff Gorton as GM in the off-season

[billabong]

Bring in both gorton and Davidson 

 

yes, they got lucky in 2 drafts and live in the most sought after location in the league to attract players like trouba, fox and panarin but they’re also highly respected executives across the hockey world

benning has managed this team into the ground.

 

I used to support him, but this year was the last straw. This team hasn’t gotten better and they have a black hole of a bottom 6 for the millionth time and no D prospects to push edler, a 35 year old, down the line up.

 

they failed at stock piling picks and now it’s biting us in the butt because we have 2 or 3 young ELC nhl regulars here or coming and then that’s it, what you see is what you get. 

 

[Silky mitts]

1 hour ago, buddhahoodlum said:

We've always been mocked by other fanbases. Even when we won back to back President's Trophies. Who cares. Get over it.

Back then we were hated for being good , now we are just a joke . Far different times .

[VegasCanuck]

2 hours ago, IjustNEEDaTROYgamble said:

Jeff Gorton has rebuilt the New York Rangers since being hired in 2015-2016 and knew when to sell off veteran players for draft picks which helped speed up the rebuild and the team drafted well and knew what players to target in free agency and in the trade market (RFA’s) and handle the cap to not be hamstrung and be creative with the cap when needing to make room which are all things Jim Benning and the current management has not been able to do. 
He brought the Rangers from the basement of the Metropolitan division in 2017-2018 to 2021 where there are a young team with a game breaking super star in Panarin and young prospects in Kakko and Lafreniere from the draft. 
 

what is your take?
 

Benning's hands were tied on selling off aging players, by all of them having NTC's and NMC's before he started the job. Its also surprising what you can do, when you are at the very top of the draft and able to grab a Kakko, or Lafreniere, in its 50 year history, NO Vancouver GM has ever been able to call the first overall pick. That makes a big difference.

 

Benning will be here next season and completely good with that!

 

[buddhahoodlum]

8 minutes ago, Silky mitts said:

Back then we were hated for being good , now we are just a joke . Far different times .

Actually no. We were hated because of Burrows, Kesler, Torres, Luongo, Lappierre, etc. and all their antics. And something that hasn't changed is the whining toxic fanbase (obviously not all fans). I'm not defending Benning. I just get bored of the constant back and forth between the OMG Fire Benning/Green/Virtanen crowd and the "this is how and why we're here" crowd. Sometimes it feels like being back in school with that one kid who just couldn't stop asking dumb questions. We need to get get back to something we can all agree on- how much we all hate the Leafs. lol. 

[Odjick the Warrior]

34 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

Looks like they actually had a problem with the NHL being held accountable.  Those guys threw their players under the bus by distancing themselves and deserved to be fired.

How did they exactly throw their players under the bus?

Dolan wrote the statement and that is why Davidson and Gorton were distancing themselves from that statement and Dolan makes Gene the machine look like Arthur Griffiths as he is always firing Knicks coaches, GM's and Presidents and the only reason why he didn't do anything like that with the Rangers until now is because it was Slats as the team President. 

[King Heffy]

1 minute ago, IjustNEEDaTROYgamble said:

How did they exactly throw their players under the bus?

Dolan wrote the statement and that is why Davidson and Gorton were distancing themselves from that statement and Dolan makes Gene the machine look like Arthur Griffiths as he is always firing Knicks coaches, GM's and Presidents and the only reason why he didn't do anything like that with the Rangers until now is because it was Slats as the team President. 

Dolan stood up for the players and the management refused to stand by ownership and their own players.  Gorton and Davidson should be ashamed of their refusal to be men and do the right thing.

[Odjick the Warrior]

21 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

Dolan stood up for the players and the management refused to stand by ownership and their own players.  Gorton and Davidson should be ashamed of their refusal to be men and do the right thing.

Dolan stands up for himself and what he owns and has had a beef with Bettman and the NHL for decades. 

You really think any GM or President in the NHL would put out that kind of a statement?

If you do then you have no clue how executives act in pro sports and if they did put that out they would most likely get blackballed from being in NHL management for going after someone in the NHL head office's job, it's career suicide.

It sounds like you don't know about the insanity of James Dolan, the man who banned Knicks legend and fan favourite Charles Oakley and Knicks super fan Spike Lee from Madison Square Garden, which is like Aquilini's Banning Linden and Michael Bublé.

I can't believe someone is actually backing James Dolan, the worst owner in sports. 

[King Heffy]

1 hour ago, IjustNEEDaTROYgamble said:

Dolan stands up for himself and what he owns and has had a beef with Bettman and the NHL for decades. 

You really think any GM or President in the NHL would put out that kind of a statement?

If you do then you have no clue how executives act in pro sports and if they did put that out they would most likely get blackballed from being in NHL management for going after someone in the NHL head office's job, it's career suicide.

It sounds like you don't know about the insanity of James Dolan, the man who banned Knicks legend and fan favourite Charles Oakley and Knicks super fan Spike Lee from Madison Square Garden, which is like Aquilini's Banning Linden and Michael Bublé.

I can't believe someone is actually backing James Dolan, the worst owner in sports. 

I'd rather back Dolan than a criminally corrupt DOPS.  Everything he said was correct and is inexcusable that the league continues to employ Parros.  Dolan probably went the though normal channels first and realized that the league wouldn't conduct itself appropriately voluntarily.

Edited May 6, 2021 by King Heffy

[Odjick the Warrior]

1 hour ago, hammertime said:

Why is Gorton so great he got fired for being a coward. He rebuilt the Rags? I mean did he tho? Kakko and LaFrienere was there another choice? 

You’re not legit but you should quit if you think Kakko and Lafreniere are the only good young players they have drafted under Gorton as they have been at the top of the NHL best prospect pool for years and you don’t do that by only have 2 elite prospects as the Canucks had 2 elite prospects and the best they got was top 5. 
Seriously maybe look up their prospect pool online before talking out your ass on a topic 

[FaninMex]

5 hours ago, Silky mitts said:

Easy over jimbo the worst gm in the league . God our management has turned the Canucks into a laughing stock , we are mocked by other fan bases . 

How is he the worst? He has done a lot of good for this franchise

[buddhahoodlum]

Oh look at that will you- fourth straight year of missing the playoffs for the Rangers. Yep that Gorton guy has the Midas touch. SMH.

[FaninMex]

Keep Benning.

 

New coaches. Replace them all except Clark.

 

I really liked the look of the team on paper. I honestly thought that we had a chance to be top 2.

 

The fact that we were winning after Pettersson got injured says a lot about the coaching and over relying on the few top6 players that Green trusts. Green over playing Pettersson probably lead to the injury.

 

Now I know all the trolls will get upity so here let me break it down a bit.\

 

1. Eriksson was having a good year prior to his signing the contract. The idea was to help the Sedins to stay completive and to help us win games instead of going into rebuild mode. In fact, the didn't want to use that word for the first few years. It wasn't until Linden was gone that we started dismantling. Also, a player getting paid and then taking a dump on the team is not the GM's fault. He gave the contract in good faith.

 

2. Roussel was doing great for the Canucks UNTIL he got injured while playing for us. He was more effective than Reeves in the bubble hockey. His scoring is down as is many others on this team due to what I believe is Green's coaching.

 

3. We have some higher contracts but that is because we have been in the cellar. Some are even saying that with the flat cap these contracts are a hinderance. If you knew there was a flat cap coming or a pandemic then why were you not on here warning us. You bring in players like Beagle, Sutter, Roussel when you want to give your youngsters the ability to just play and learn the game. They are not here to be goal scorers as many of the trollier posters think. They are here to try to keep goals out. Kill the PK. and to try to stop blowouts. They are also their to help the kids with leadership in the room and keep emotions level. Then there are a lot of bad contracts floating around out there, big deal.

 

4. Trades. The trades have been decent. For those that think it is easy to trade a player who gives up after getting paid think about the cost. We were/are rebuilding and you do not give up the assets you need to get rid of a bad contract in these times. We got rid of some players like Gaudette who are bums and have proven to be so.

 

5. Toffoli. Big deal this is hockey players move on all the time. We have players coming up and are now playing due to him being gone. Hoglander has been given a chance to take a top 6 spot because of the opening. As for scoring, if Green would not change lines that show chemistry maybe we wouldn't have so many errant passes. Maybe some of our lines could get hot. Sutter scores 4 goals with JV and MAC on his line. Mac gets benched and JV is elsewhere. Hoglander and Horvat have been having great chemistry, change the lines. Over and Over and Over again. Toffoli has also been mediocre at best in Montreal with most of his goals against us.  Boo-woo. 

 

 

[Odjick the Warrior]

36 minutes ago, buddhahoodlum said:

Oh look at that will you- fourth straight year of missing the playoffs for the Rangers. Yep that Gorton guy has the Midas touch. SMH.

How many years did the Canucks miss the playoffs before getting to a play in series?

Where are the Rangers this year compared to the Canucks?
Oh yeah +25 in scoring, 13th lowest goals scored against in the league and would have been 9th in the Eastern Conference. Rangers farm system is routinely in the top 5 best in the league and this has never included Kakko and Lafreniere in their system. 

 

 

Edited May 6, 2021 by IjustNEEDaTROYgamble
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[Silky mitts]

1 hour ago, FaninMex said:

How is he the worst? He has done a lot of good for this franchise

He is terrible , he’s done a lot worse than good . Please don’t kid yourself that this regime ever had a plan . 

[joe-max]

With 8 first round picks (including a 1 and 2overall) in four years one should expect the team to have a decent talent pool. And once again impatience is taking over.

[wallstreetamigo]

6 minutes ago, joe-max said:

With 8 first round picks (including a 1 and 2overall) in four years one should expect the team to have a decent talent pool. And once again impatience is taking over.

It's almost like, while your team sucks, trading vets and accumulating picks (possibly even by taking on cap dump veteran players just as good as the ones you actually traded assets for) is a better strategy.

 

Who knew?

 

Besides every GM with a brain and a plan.

[24K PureCool]

I am not sure about Gorton as GM but I definitely want Davidson as president of hockey ops.

 

But to all that are clamoring to fire JB, no new GM will be able to turn this team around next seasoon. You are just setting yourself for disappointment and will call for the new guys head by this time next year. It will take 2 offseasoon to turn this around no matter who is in charge unless you just want to mortgage the future and trade away 1st and 2nd round picks like candy.

 

Now should JB be fired, probably as trust in him to make the right decision to not prolong this beyond the realistic timeline is not even close to maybe but point is don't go thinking that the new guy is going to turn this team into a contender overnight.

[wallstreetamigo]

16 minutes ago, 24K PureCool said:

I am not sure about Gorton as GM but I definitely want Davidson as president of hockey ops.

 

But to all that are clamoring to fire JB, no new GM will be able to turn this team around next seasoon. You are just setting yourself for disappointment and will call for the new guys head by this time next year. It will take 2 offseasoon to turn this around no matter who is in charge unless you just want to mortgage the future and trade away 1st and 2nd round picks like candy.

 

Now should JB be fired, probably as trust in him to make the right decision to not prolong this beyond the realistic timeline is not even close to maybe but point is don't go thinking that the new guy is going to turn this team into a contender overnight.

You should go take a look at his trade history. He absolutely knows how to make the kinds of trades that would help this team. He has a few questionable ones on there but overall just a lot of really good moves and signings too.

[FaninMex]

1 hour ago, Silky mitts said:

He is terrible , he’s done a lot worse than good . Please don’t kid yourself that this regime ever had a plan . 

You didn't say anything here. What a waste of a response.

[wallstreetamigo]

3 hours ago, FaninMex said:

Keep Benning.

 

New coaches. Replace them all except Clark.

 

I really liked the look of the team on paper. I honestly thought that we had a chance to be top 2.

 

The fact that we were winning after Pettersson got injured says a lot about the coaching and over relying on the few top6 players that Green trusts. Green over playing Pettersson probably lead to the injury.

 

Now I know all the trolls will get upity so here let me break it down a bit.\

 

1. Eriksson was having a good year prior to his signing the contract. The idea was to help the Sedins to stay completive and to help us win games instead of going into rebuild mode. In fact, the didn't want to use that word for the first few years. It wasn't until Linden was gone that we started dismantling. Also, a player getting paid and then taking a dump on the team is not the GM's fault. He gave the contract in good faith.

 

2. Roussel was doing great for the Canucks UNTIL he got injured while playing for us. He was more effective than Reeves in the bubble hockey. His scoring is down as is many others on this team due to what I believe is Green's coaching.

 

3. We have some higher contracts but that is because we have been in the cellar. Some are even saying that with the flat cap these contracts are a hinderance. If you knew there was a flat cap coming or a pandemic then why were you not on here warning us. You bring in players like Beagle, Sutter, Roussel when you want to give your youngsters the ability to just play and learn the game. They are not here to be goal scorers as many of the trollier posters think. They are here to try to keep goals out. Kill the PK. and to try to stop blowouts. They are also their to help the kids with leadership in the room and keep emotions level. Then there are a lot of bad contracts floating around out there, big deal.

 

4. Trades. The trades have been decent. For those that think it is easy to trade a player who gives up after getting paid think about the cost. We were/are rebuilding and you do not give up the assets you need to get rid of a bad contract in these times. We got rid of some players like Gaudette who are bums and have proven to be so.

 

5. Toffoli. Big deal this is hockey players move on all the time. We have players coming up and are now playing due to him being gone. Hoglander has been given a chance to take a top 6 spot because of the opening. As for scoring, if Green would not change lines that show chemistry maybe we wouldn't have so many errant passes. Maybe some of our lines could get hot. Sutter scores 4 goals with JV and MAC on his line. Mac gets benched and JV is elsewhere. Hoglander and Horvat have been having great chemistry, change the lines. Over and Over and Over again. Toffoli has also been mediocre at best in Montreal with most of his goals against us.  Boo-woo. 

 

 

There is a lot to unpack here.

 

Keep Benning. - Hard No

 

New coaches. Replace them all except Clark. - Hell Yes

 

I really liked the look of the team on paper. I honestly thought that we had a chance to be top 2. - Please put down the bong

 

The fact that we were winning after Pettersson got injured says a lot about the coaching and over relying on the few top6 players that Green trusts. Green over playing Pettersson probably lead to the injury. - Have to agree

 

1 - Those who paid close attention to why he had a good last year in Boston vs the environment, roster, and opportunity in Vancouver seriously questioned this signing at the time.

 

2 - The Roussel situation is why you don't give 4th liners 4 year terms.

 

3 - The Canucks should have used their cap space to trade for those type of veteran overpriced players they coveted from cap strapped teams while getting prospects and picks added to take them. The end result of having sub par vets on overpriced contracts to help the kids from crumbling under the pressure they have lived with their whole lives would have been net the same. Just with a bunch more picks and more prospect depth. Assets that could have been used to then acquire actual impact players.

 

4 - His trading history is a bag of burning $&!# overall. Miller and Schmidt, 2 cap casualties of other teams, were pretty good. Motte for Vanek took a long time but is ok. Pearson for Gudbranson was good but any benefit is completely nullified and then some by the original teade for Guddy. Gaudette isnt a bum. He just isnt a 3rd line center like the Canucks tried to shoehorn him into. Even with largely inept offensive linemates, he was actually in the top echelon of the league in generating quality scoring chances. Someone posted the stats on here the other day. 

 

5 - It is a big deal. An unforced error by Benning that also ruined what could have been a good trade. A top 6 of Miller-EP-Boeser-Hoglander-Horvat-Toffoli suddenly makes a 3rd supporting line of Pearson-Sutter-Gaudette much more effective. Then replace Sutter with a better center and you have 3 lines that can generate offense. Toffoli has been fantastic for Montreal this year. Easily one of their most important players. He has been consistent and a game changer.

Edited May 6, 2021 by wallstreetamigo