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3 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said:

Ugh.

 

Look at what Tippett said. Sided with his player while ignoring all the $&!# Nurse himself did.

 

Green $&!# the bed here.

He’s picking his battles. Speaking out against the league at this point accomplishes nothing.

 

I know everyone wants to see him go on a Tortorella like rant but that’s pointless.

 

Im more concerned about how his players play on the ice. The best revenge is taking it to Edmonton tonight. That’s how you respond to bs.

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4 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

He’s picking his battles. Speaking out against the league at this point accomplishes nothing.

 

I know everyone wants to see him go on a Tortorella like rant but that’s pointless.

 

Im more concerned about how his players play on the ice. The best revenge is taking it to Edmonton tonight. That’s how you respond to bs.

And there's enough "noise" out there right now that's directed at the league that we can lay low and watch as they have to answer to some of it.  We don't have to be the focus for once...we can blend in and be part of the story instead of the entire book.

 

The league has dropped the ball this week.....and they'd likely LOVE to deflect that somewhere else.  So we don't have to volunteer for that.

 

I agree.  Don't distract from it ... it's glaring right now without any further punctuation marks needed.

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5 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:

And there's enough "noise" out there right now that's directed at the league that we can lay low and watch as they have to answer to some of it.  We don't have to be the focus for once...we can blend in and be part of the story instead of the entire book.

 

The league has dropped the ball this week.....and they'd likely LOVE to deflect that somewhere else.  So we don't have to volunteer for that.

 

I agree.  Don't distract from it ... it's glaring right now without any further punctuation marks needed.


Other than the punishment meted out by DOPS and our anger with that, we should remember that this was a dispute between two players of similar strength that got settled by the guys involved. There is no similarity to the Rags/Caps melee. The league should have looked after Wilson to avoid what happened in the next game. They didn’t and probably got the results that they wanted.

 

I see no reason that the team should be outraged or out for blood tonight, other than the usual dislike. Mac and Nurse were having an animated talk in the box after and they may or may not think this is over but if it’s not, they’ll try and settle it in the future. Having said that if someone punches Nurse’s lights out I’ll enjoy watching.

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5 hours ago, Alflives said:

What are the rules on the books that govern what’s allowed in a fight?  I know it’s a suspension to get into a fight if hands are taped.  And no biting, or hair pulling.  But is there a rule that states the guys can’t throw one another to the ice?  I don’t think there is.  But there should be.  Really, a guy as big and strong as Chara could easily pick up his opponent during a fight and body slam him.  


Missed you!  Eat any cats lately? 

 

 

Also yes ... and Simmonds could have clocked Edler but didn't.    Sure sometimes it used to get pretty nuts, Probert took two head butts in one fight, and at the end did it back in one of his battles.  Also a no no.  

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2 hours ago, DeNiro said:

He’s picking his battles. Speaking out against the league at this point accomplishes nothing.

 

I know everyone wants to see him go on a Tortorella like rant but that’s pointless.

 

Im more concerned about how his players play on the ice. The best revenge is taking it to Edmonton tonight. That’s how you respond to bs.

There’s picking your battles and then there’s being a draft dodger, Green is the latter.

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On 5/7/2021 at 10:43 AM, PhillipBlunt said:

Oh my gord. Hopefully those coil fans do the world a favor and stick their tongues in a light socket instead of their cousins. 

FTFY

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4 hours ago, debluvscanucks said:

Here's some of it, from Burke's recollection (the entire chapter is quite revealing).  The initial focus and reaction was on "is the kid ok?"...:

 

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"The next morning, I tried to contact Moore at the hospital, but he wouldn't take my call.  So I called Bob Goodenow and asked him to pass on a message:  "The kid won't take my call.  I understand.  He probably thinks I had something to do with it.  But I just want to know if he's okay.  I'm just calling to see how he is."

Goodenow called me back later and told me that Moore was fine.  He wouldn't take Bob's call, either, because he had been bombarded with emails and he was busy checking them.

So he's sitting up in his hospital bed, checking his email--what the F!"

Later that morning, Pierre Lacroix, the Avs' general manager, held a news conference where he announced that they were transferring Moore to a rehabilitation hospital in Colorado, where he would receive the best possible care and hopefully make a full recovery.

So they sure made it sound like it was serious.

Iain McIntyre, who was working for the Vancouver Sun then, called the neck hospital and asked them if they had been told to make room for Moore.  They said they hadn't--that it was a long-term care facility, not an emergency facility. (I was mad at Pierre for that.  I thought it was dirty pool. I wouldn't have done it....

I asked our trainer how someone could have a "broken neck" and still be sitting up checking his email.  He told me that we've all got flanges on our vertebrae, and that he had probably broken off one of them--which is painful, but not dangerous.  He said that, because I was a former rugby player, he could probably find one or two broken flanges in my back if they were to take an X-ray.

We went from concern for the kid, wondering if he would ever play again--if he would ever walk again--to wondering if we were getting played by the Avalanche.  Were they trying to milk this to get the biggest suspension they could?

Which is exactly what they did.  To this day, I'm convinced the the injuries weren't severe enough to end his career.  I think he could have come back and played if he'd wanted to.

(He continues on with the story.  But, of course, Bertuzzi was thrown into the fire and Moore has now vanished into oblivion with his pay off).

 

I know of 2 VPD forensic ident members that went to the hospital to document his injuries that night and he had apparently checked himself out. 
 

He later returned. Someone put the bug in his head...

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7 hours ago, debluvscanucks said:

Unnecessary roughness?   Start there then work outward?

  OK, but is it suspendible?  Again I think this is a grey area. Once you have 2 willing players, that are willing to break the rules to fight each other, at what point do further rules kick in to punish extra, dirty plays?  We’ve all seen extra punches thrown after a fight is won, we’ve seen hair pulling (sorry Burrows, but that was a weasel move), even biting (not blaming Burrows for that one).  These things usually warrant extra penalties ( which I think Nurse received), but generally not suspensions.

 

I’m not one to defend the league, and I’m certainly not defending Nurse.  Just not sure that there are rules, or precedent for a suspension due to a dirty takedown.

 

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18 minutes ago, thundernuts said:

  OK, but is it suspendible?  Again I think this is a grey area. Once you have 2 willing players, that are willing to break the rules to fight each other, at what point do further rules kick in to punish extra, dirty plays?  We’ve all seen extra punches thrown after a fight is won, we’ve seen hair pulling (sorry Burrows, but that was a weasel move), even biting (not blaming Burrows for that one).  These things usually warrant extra penalties ( which I think Nurse received), but generally not suspensions.

 

I’m not one to defend the league, and I’m certainly not defending Nurse.  Just not sure that there are rules, or precedent for a suspension due to a dirty takedown.

 

The league changes how they choose to interpret the rules every single season. This could easily be included in unsportsmanlike conduct. Players would adapt and stop doing that.

 

(ii) Any player or goalkeeper who is guilty of unsportsmanlike conduct including, but not limited to hair-pulling, biting, grabbing hold of a face mask, etc. If warranted, and specifically when injury results, the referee may apply Rule 21 - Match Penalties.

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6 hours ago, RWMc1 said:

The league changes how they choose to interpret the rules every single season. This could easily be included in unsportsmanlike conduct. Players would adapt and stop doing that.

 

(ii) Any player or goalkeeper who is guilty of unsportsmanlike conduct including, but not limited to hair-pulling, biting, grabbing hold of a face mask, etc. If warranted, and specifically when injury results, the referee may apply Rule 21 - Match Penalties.

My issue isn’t whether it is worthy of a penalty, it’s whether it is suspendible, and how the NHL could differentiate between takedowns.  Yes, they could amend the rules to include the type of thing that Nurse did.  


That would make things a little more cut and dry.

 

Ultimately, as long as fighting is tolerated in the game, these types of instances will be difficult to handle. 

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The league has always treated the Canucks with indifferense. I think that has affected the Canucks in that the players know they will get the worst of most calls. Is that why they were spouting how they were going to be a fast and skilled team. They didn't want to be tough. Well guess what hockey is a tough nasty game it needs tough guys as well as skill and speed .

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I agree that they likely didn't have a leg to stand on (sorry, bad pun) for the takedown. They should add something in that you can't pick up the player, especially by the legs, during a fight as it is a dangerous move.

 

I think the only thing they really could have gone after Nurse for was the bit in front of the benches with the slash, cross check, and punch. Likely only enough for a fine, but still, something needing to be done there.

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