[proposal] Canucks and Sabres - NOT Eichel, Dahlin, or Ristolainen related

[Patel Bure]

[proposal] Canucks and Sabres - NOT Eichel, Dahlin, or Ristolainen related

I’m just thinking out loud here.   No idea if this would be fair value or not. 

 

To Buffalo:  Eriksson + Rathbone + 2021 1st

To Vancouver:  Sam Reinhart

 

Miller-Pettersson-Boeser

Hoglander-Reinhart-Podkolzin

Pearson-Horvat-Lind

Motte-Graovich-Highmore

 

####-Schmidt

Hughes-Hamonic

Juolevi-Myers

 

Demko

Holtby

 

I don’t know about you guys, but that’s a really good forward group up there.   If the Canucks could somehow add a top pairing dman to the above line-up, we’d be up there with the top teams imo.

 

ps - And he’s guys, I know that Rathbone has a ton of potential and I know that a 2021 1st could be a lottery pick and could land us the next Quinn or Petey, yada yada.   I am just of the belief that in order to receive, you have to give.....and that the addition of Reinhart would really put us on the map.

Edited May 11, 2021 by Patel Bure

[IBatch]

That's a fleecing.  LE on his own is worth our first this year with flat cap issues ... so we are trading Rathbone for Sam R?  Not going to happen.  

[IBatch]

A trade that does have legs is QHs for Dahlin.   

[IBatch]

OR how about this.   QHs, Miller our first this year for Eichel and Risto. 

[JM_]

6 minutes ago, IBatch said:

That's a fleecing.  LE on his own is worth our first this year with flat cap issues ... so we are trading Rathbone for Sam R?  Not going to happen.  

we don't really need SR, I wouldn't want to blow our defensive depth on him with Podz on the way.

 

Don't care much for Risto either.

[Johnny Torts]

Miller, Rathbone, 2021 + 2022 1st, 2022 2nd 

 

for 

 

Eichel

[IBatch]

1 hour ago, Jimmy McGill said:

we don't really need SR, I wouldn't want to blow our defensive depth on him with Podz on the way.

 

Don't care much for Risto either.

Yep.   Know folks are dissappointed.   But seeing the bright side a lot of games were close.   And we had 12 million on the bench before EP went down ... i've enjoyed watching Hogs come in and recently he's making a statement, aside from BB rookie year arguably the best winger Horvat has played with yet.   Miller and BB production dropping gets a pass without EP.   Still done ok playing against every other teams top lines.   Rathbone is a wild card.   Nothing to complain about there yet.    Pretty sure management feels the same way.   Podz might come in and just be ok.   Or he might blow the roof off who knows.   But looks like a lock.    I don't know what's going to happen.   But can say the club can't survive another 9 years of MG plus the final three years of Nonis drafting.  It's what put us here in the first place. 

[IBatch]

24 minutes ago, Johnny Torts said:

Miller, Rathbone, 2021 + 2022 1st, 2022 2nd 

 

for 

 

Eichel

That's probably what it would take.    Going to say pass because that's too fair lol....

[Silky mitts]

39 minutes ago, Johnny Torts said:

Miller, Rathbone, 2021 + 2022 1st, 2022 2nd 

 

for 

 

Eichel

I would do Horvat instead . Keep Miller as a wing 

[Johnny Torts]

26 minutes ago, Silky mitts said:

I would do Horvat instead . Keep Miller as a wing 

But Bo is that type of centre that wins rings idk

 

eichel would be so nice man.

[Coconuts]

I'd sooner eat a buyout or ride of the last year of Eriksson's dead cap than trade our first, let alone Rathbone. We don't need Reinhart, Hoglander looks like he could be a legit top six guy and Podz has even more potential imo. Then you've got guys like Lind and Gadjovich who should be pushing for jobs too. 

 

We're not as stocked up on D, losing a cost controlled D in Rathbone ain't the right move imo. 

 

I'd sooner roll the dice on the players we've drafted and grab a blue chipper at the draft. Drafting is our strength, trading what'll probably be the highest first round pick we have for a while would be a mistake. 

Edited May 11, 2021 by Coconuts

[the grinder]

no no no keep the picks, we need value players , loui needs to retire or hello Abbotsford" Robias" Islanders for Loui

[BCNate]

Not sure what a Reinhart deal would look like, but I'd go down that road for sure.  It wouldn't make sense to give up one of our top 6, also wouldn't make sense to give up our 1st, or Rathbone.  

 

Not sure any of these would work, but I'd love to make a deal with Buffalo:

 

Reinhart for DiPietro, Juolevi, Lind  

We get a good fit as a 3C/top 6 forward, Buffalo gets some NHL ready/close prospects.  We likely need to add something though

 

Jokiharju for Juolevi

LHD for RHD swap

 

Mittelstead for Joulevi, 2nd

We get our 3C, they get a LHD and a high pick.  

 

Or the Blcokbuster

Reinhart and Ristolainen for Miller, Schmidt, one of Lind/Joulevi/DiPietro/2nd

We get the better D, who is RHD, they get the better forward. We get some cap savings, they get an additional add. 

 

 

 

[Provost]

Boy, it seems like wholesale changes in Buffalo are in the cards.  Reinhardt also said he wants nothing to do with a rebuild.

 

That is Eichel, Ristolainen, and Reinhardt who basically said in their exit interviews that they don’t want to be there next year.

 

Honestly, any of them are going to be REALLY motivated next year if they are on new teams.

 

I would keep our 1st this year, but trade a couple of firsts and some good prospects for Eichel... but I don’t think we could win a bidding war.  Other teams need centres more than we do.

 

but... how far do you go?

To me, make any package that doesn’t include: Petterson, Hughes, Demko, Horvat, Hoglander, Podkolzin, Rathbone, this year’s 1st.

 

That is too long of a list of untouchables to make Buffalo interested, but no point if we are moving sideways or if we give up our cheap ELC contracts which are the only way we can afford Eichel going forward.

 

Not everyone is as high on Ristolainen, but to me he would be a great add.  Put him on a decent team and don’t ride him 26 minutes a game and he is probably our 2nd or 3rd best D.

Edited May 11, 2021 by Provost

[nergish]

1 hour ago, Provost said:

Boy, it seems like wholesale changes in Buffalo are in the cards.  Reinhardt also said he wants nothing to do with a rebuild.

 

That is Eichel, Ristolainen, and Reinhardt who basically said in their exit interviews that they don’t want to be there next year.

 

Honestly, any of them are going to be REALLY motivated next year if they are on new teams.

 

I would keep our 1st this year, but trade a couple of firsts and some good prospects for Eichel... but I don’t think we could win a bidding war.  Other teams need centres more than we do.

 

but... how far do you go?

To me, make any package that doesn’t include: Petterson, Hughes, Demko, Horvat, Hoglander, Podkolzin, Rathbone, this year’s 1st.

 

That is too long of a list of untouchables to make Buffalo interested, but no point if we are moving sideways or if we give up our cheap ELC contracts which are the only way we can afford Eichel going forward.

 

Not everyone is as high on Ristolainen, but to me he would be a great add.  Put him on a decent team and don’t ride him 26 minutes a game and he is probably our 2nd or 3rd best D.

Man, I would gladly trade our 1st rounder this year for Eichel.

Even if it's first overall.

 

1st 2021

JT Miller

Olli Juolevi

Braden Holtby

 

 

I think Pettersson is a centreman and will play centre longterm, but I'd kill to see Pettersson on the wing for Eichel (+ Hoglander/Podkolzin/Boeser) as a first line.

 

 

[J.I.A.H.N]

3 hours ago, Provost said:

Boy, it seems like wholesale changes in Buffalo are in the cards.  Reinhardt also said he wants nothing to do with a rebuild.

 

That is Eichel, Ristolainen, and Reinhardt who basically said in their exit interviews that they don’t want to be there next year.

 

Honestly, any of them are going to be REALLY motivated next year if they are on new teams.

 

I would keep our 1st this year, but trade a couple of firsts and some good prospects for Eichel... but I don’t think we could win a bidding war.  Other teams need centres more than we do.

 

but... how far do you go?

To me, make any package that doesn’t include: Petterson, Hughes, Demko, Horvat, Hoglander, Podkolzin, Rathbone, this year’s 1st.

 

That is too long of a list of untouchables to make Buffalo interested, but no point if we are moving sideways or if we give up our cheap ELC contracts which are the only way we can afford Eichel going forward.

 

Not everyone is as high on Ristolainen, but to me he would be a great add.  Put him on a decent team and don’t ride him 26 minutes a game and he is probably our 2nd or 3rd best D.

I could go with something similar

 

How about ...................Miller and Schmidt         for             Ristolainen, and Buffalo's 1st 

 

IMO, Buffalo does this to quiet Eichel, Reinhart and shows they are not going into rebuild

 

For us we rid ourselves of approx. 5,5 million in cap............yes I would miss Miller!

[Provost]

32 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said:

I could go with something similar

 

How about ...................Miller and Schmidt         for             Ristolainen, and Buffalo's 1st 

 

IMO, Buffalo does this to quiet Eichel, Reinhart and shows they are not going into rebuild

 

For us we rid ourselves of approx. 5,5 million in cap............yes I would miss Miller!

Ya, I do that deal.  It sounds like it is too far gone to keep those guys but if they want to add players we could do that. The truth is we could probably  also replace Miller

 

Tampa Bay needs to shed cap.  We could take on a guy like Palat/Killorn for basically nothing.  Other teams will also want to shed cap if we have created the space.  There will be more “Schmidt” type opportunities if we have the cap space.

 

Hughes-Hamonic

Edler-Ristolainen

Rathbone-Myers

Juolevi-Bowie

 

Platoon Rathbone and Juolevi in for 45-60 games each depending on injuries and needing to spell off Edler to keep him healthy and more rested/effective.

[vannuck59]

19 hours ago, Provost said:

Boy, it seems like wholesale changes in Buffalo are in the cards.  Reinhardt also said he wants nothing to do with a rebuild.

 

That is Eichel, Ristolainen, and Reinhardt who basically said in their exit interviews that they don’t want to be there next year.

 

Honestly, any of them are going to be REALLY motivated next year if they are on new teams.

 

I would keep our 1st this year, but trade a couple of firsts and some good prospects for Eichel... but I don’t think we could win a bidding war.  Other teams need centres more than we do.

 

but... how far do you go?

To me, make any package that doesn’t include: Petterson, Hughes, Demko, Horvat, Hoglander, Podkolzin, Rathbone, this year’s 1st.

 

That is too long of a list of untouchables to make Buffalo interested, but no point if we are moving sideways or if we give up our cheap ELC contracts which are the only way we can afford Eichel going forward.

 

Not everyone is as high on Ristolainen, but to me he would be a great add.  Put him on a decent team and don’t ride him 26 minutes a game and he is probably our 2nd or 3rd best D.

Who is better?

[BarnBurner]

21 hours ago, Johnny Torts said:

Miller, Rathbone, 2021 + 2022 1st, 2022 2nd 

 

for 

 

Eichel

This has to be comedy. Nobody on the Canucks side, in their right mind, would make that trade. 

[Johnny Torts]

3 minutes ago, BarnBurner said:

This has to be comedy. Nobody on the Canucks side, in their right mind, would make that trade. 

I don’t think Raymond, Ballard, and a 1st gets the deal done for a player like Eichel. 
 

In my opinion, to aggressively pursue Eichel and ice a team consisting of

 

Pettersson, Eichel, Horvat, Boeser, Podkolzin, Hoglander, Pearson

 

Hughes, Myers, Hamonic, Juolevi, 

 

Demko

would be ideal. 
 

Cap wizardry would also need to take place. 
 

But a deal for a player like Eichel doesn’t get done if it’s not worthwhile for Buffalo. Too many teams can offer $&!# deals.