Bertuzzipunch Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 6 minutes ago, DeNiro said: People have been proposing Ristolainen for awhile on here. I don’t get it either. For 5.4 million if way rather get a 30 point guy that is rock solid in his own end and plays physical. Well he does get points. Having rito for 1 year at 5.4 or schmidt for 5.95 for 4 more years i can see why we would wanna give it a shot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 6 minutes ago, Bertuzzipunch said: Well he does get points. Having rito for 1 year at 5.4 or schmidt for 5.95 for 4 more years i can see why we would wanna give it a shot I’d rather have Parayko over any of them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzipunch Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, DeNiro said: I’d rather have Parayko over any of them. Well yeah of course lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Bertuzzipunch said: Well yeah of course lol So why trade assets for Risto then? Might as well wait for a target we actually want. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzipunch Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 Personally i think Schmidt is the key to our defense next season. If he can have a real good season and prove to be a top 2 dman for us that would be huge for us. If he actually can play like a 6 mill dollar dman JB will look like a genius lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzipunch Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 1 minute ago, DeNiro said: So why trade assets for Risto then? Might as well wait for a target we actually want. More talking about sending schmidt and erikkson and 9OA for rhino and rito. I think this is the only way we can do the trade unless we send a prospect or something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KKnight Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 1 hour ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: Holy crap, if that's all it would take for Cernak then for God's sake do it! I'm not saying that he would go for that. I just think if you gave more then that you would be overpaying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 25 minutes ago, Bertuzzipunch said: More talking about sending schmidt and erikkson and 9OA for rhino and rito. I think this is the only way we can do the trade unless we send a prospect or something Doesn’t Schmidt have a NTC? Doubt he’d waive for Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzipunch Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 45 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Doesn’t Schmidt have a NTC? Doubt he’d waive for Buffalo. Yeah he wouldnt waive just saying its the only way to get both risto and rhino. So really zero chance getting risto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 1 hour ago, DeNiro said: So why trade assets for Risto then? Might as well wait for a target we actually want. Probably cause Risto doesn't equal Parayko in assets. And there's no word that St Louis is even interested in moving Parayko, whereas with Risto there's a clear disconnect between player and franchise. So that's why the community talks about trading for Risto and not for Parayko. I mean, it's easy to say "well I'd rather have Rasmus Dahlin instead." Yeah well, so would everyone in the league but it's not likely so we don't suggest trading for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 2 hours ago, DeNiro said: I’d rather have Parayko over any of them. Just got to wait a year before we have the opportunity to be able to sign him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTramFan Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 2 hours ago, N7Nucks said: Probably cause Risto doesn't equal Parayko in assets. And there's no word that St Louis is even interested in moving Parayko, whereas with Risto there's a clear disconnect between player and franchise. So that's why the community talks about trading for Risto and not for Parayko. I mean, it's easy to say "well I'd rather have Rasmus Dahlin instead." Yeah well, so would everyone in the league but it's not likely so we don't suggest trading for him. Well here are some stats from Dobber's frozen tools comparing the guys that people have been suggesting to spend a whole lot of assets in trades and/or a whole lot of cap space. Or maybe resign Hamonic for $2m Who should partner Hughes?... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 3 hours ago, DeNiro said: Doesn’t Schmidt have a NTC? Doubt he’d waive for Buffalo. I wouldn’t blame him if he didn’t want to go there. Buffalo’s a mess of a franchise. When was the last time they had a winning season? Feels like it’s been forever with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 13 hours ago, Alflives said: We don’t have the assets and cap space for both those guys, do we? not without Loui and Rooster heading back the other way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzipunch Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 (edited) 9th overall pics over the years Career highs: #9 Trevor Zegras 3 goals, 13 points #9 Vitali Kravtsov 2 goals, 4 points #9 Michael Rasmussen 8 goals, 18 points #9 Mikhael Sergachev 10 goals 40 points #9 Timo Meier 30 goals, 66 points #9 Nikolaj Ehlers 29 goals, 66 points #9 Bo Harvat 27 goals, 61 points #9 Jacob Trouba 10 goals, 50 points #9 Dougie Hamilton 18 goals, 50 points #9 Mikael Granlund 26 goals, 69 points #9 Jared Cowan 5 goals, 17 points #9 Josh Bailey 18 goals, 71 points #9 Logan Couture 32 goals, 70 points #9 James Sheppard 5 goals, 24 points #9 Brian Lee 2 goals, 13 points #9 Ladislav Smid 5 goals, 13 points #9 Dion Phaneuf 17 goals, 60 points #9 Peter Taticek 0 goals, 0 points #9 Tuomo Ruuttu 26 goals, 57 points #9 Brent Krahn (goalie) 1 NHL game. Some good some bad but getting a reinhart for a 9th is most definitely worth it if offered. hes right there with all the rest of the good players drafted at 9. we also have to wonder what miller and horvat are thinking. Both guys wanna win but do they really want to wait for our 9th pick to be able to play with them? When both contracts are up in 2 years does miller and horvat think “well they are going more towards building threw the draft than winning right now” would they even wanna sign here again? Do we wanna win now or wait till petey is 27-28 and hope our draft pics are ready to contribute. Edited June 20, 2021 by Bertuzzipunch 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 3 hours ago, Bertuzzipunch said: 9th overall pics over the years Career highs: #9 Trevor Zegras 3 goals, 13 points #9 Vitali Kravtsov 2 goals, 4 points #9 Michael Rasmussen 8 goals, 18 points #9 Mikhael Sergachev 10 goals 40 points #9 Timo Meier 30 goals, 66 points #9 Nikolaj Ehlers 29 goals, 66 points #9 Bo Harvat 27 goals, 61 points #9 Jacob Trouba 10 goals, 50 points #9 Dougie Hamilton 18 goals, 50 points #9 Mikael Granlund 26 goals, 69 points #9 Jared Cowan 5 goals, 17 points #9 Josh Bailey 18 goals, 71 points #9 Logan Couture 32 goals, 70 points #9 James Sheppard 5 goals, 24 points #9 Brian Lee 2 goals, 13 points #9 Ladislav Smid 5 goals, 13 points #9 Dion Phaneuf 17 goals, 60 points #9 Peter Taticek 0 goals, 0 points #9 Tuomo Ruuttu 26 goals, 57 points #9 Brent Krahn (goalie) 1 NHL game. Some good some bad but getting a reinhart for a 9th is most definitely worth it if offered. hes right there with all the rest of the good players drafted at 9. we also have to wonder what miller and horvat are thinking. Both guys wanna win but do they really want to wait for our 9th pick to be able to play with them? When both contracts are up in 2 years does miller and horvat think “well they are going more towards building threw the draft than winning right now” would they even wanna sign here again? Do we wanna win now or wait till petey is 27-28 and hope our draft pics are ready to contribute. It’s logical to trade the 9th OA but only for a player who still young and under contract. We also would be acquiring salary so that 9th needs to accompany a moderate Cap dump or the numbers will not work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzipunch Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, grandmaster said: It’s logical to trade the 9th OA but only for a player who still young and under contract. We also would be acquiring salary so that 9th needs to accompany a moderate Cap dump or the numbers will not work. Doesnt have to be reinhart but someone that is NHL ready and a team that has to take a bad contract back. edit: Has to be someone good also lmao Edited June 20, 2021 by Bertuzzipunch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfgang Durst Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 On 6/19/2021 at 7:08 AM, Bertuzzipunch said: Well he does get points. Having rito for 1 year at 5.4 or schmidt for 5.95 for 4 more years i can see why we would wanna give it a shot You are right: Ristolainen does get points so does Tyler Myers. We all know what type of player Tyler Myers is and how awful he looked like in his own end. I am sick of seeing his awful puck turnovers in his own zone anymore. Ristolainen has been in the rumor mill for quite some time. There are reasons why no team has taken a flyer on him yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 8 hours ago, Bertuzzipunch said: 9th overall pics over the years Career highs: #9 Trevor Zegras 3 goals, 13 points #9 Vitali Kravtsov 2 goals, 4 points #9 Michael Rasmussen 8 goals, 18 points #9 Mikhael Sergachev 10 goals 40 points #9 Timo Meier 30 goals, 66 points #9 Nikolaj Ehlers 29 goals, 66 points #9 Bo Harvat 27 goals, 61 points #9 Jacob Trouba 10 goals, 50 points #9 Dougie Hamilton 18 goals, 50 points #9 Mikael Granlund 26 goals, 69 points #9 Jared Cowan 5 goals, 17 points #9 Josh Bailey 18 goals, 71 points #9 Logan Couture 32 goals, 70 points #9 James Sheppard 5 goals, 24 points #9 Brian Lee 2 goals, 13 points #9 Ladislav Smid 5 goals, 13 points #9 Dion Phaneuf 17 goals, 60 points #9 Peter Taticek 0 goals, 0 points #9 Tuomo Ruuttu 26 goals, 57 points #9 Brent Krahn (goalie) 1 NHL game. Some good some bad but getting a reinhart for a 9th is most definitely worth it if offered. hes right there with all the rest of the good players drafted at 9. we also have to wonder what miller and horvat are thinking. Both guys wanna win but do they really want to wait for our 9th pick to be able to play with them? When both contracts are up in 2 years does miller and horvat think “well they are going more towards building threw the draft than winning right now” would they even wanna sign here again? Do we wanna win now or wait till petey is 27-28 and hope our draft pics are ready to contribute. This outlines a few important points. The Canucks have core players in 2 distinct age groups. Drafting more pieces to add to the core as constructed is rapidly dwindling as an option. I think this season should not be the one they go for it as there is still too much dead cap on the books and wasteful spending this year that doesnt work out as planned could effectively trigger the need for a reset to the rebuild, where guys like Miller and Horvat may need to be traded to get younger guys who can fit with the EP, Hughes, Podkolzin core age guys. Not saying that will happen, but this offseason and next will have a lot of influence over whether or not this core as built can have a contention window as is. In summary, if you can get a 25 or so year old established improvement at forward or RHD with the 9th OA pick, thats an acceptable move for the team at this juncture imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 8 hours ago, Bertuzzipunch said: 9th overall pics over the years Career highs: #9 Trevor Zegras 3 goals, 13 points #9 Vitali Kravtsov 2 goals, 4 points #9 Michael Rasmussen 8 goals, 18 points #9 Mikhael Sergachev 10 goals 40 points #9 Timo Meier 30 goals, 66 points #9 Nikolaj Ehlers 29 goals, 66 points #9 Bo Harvat 27 goals, 61 points #9 Jacob Trouba 10 goals, 50 points #9 Dougie Hamilton 18 goals, 50 points #9 Mikael Granlund 26 goals, 69 points #9 Jared Cowan 5 goals, 17 points #9 Josh Bailey 18 goals, 71 points #9 Logan Couture 32 goals, 70 points #9 James Sheppard 5 goals, 24 points #9 Brian Lee 2 goals, 13 points #9 Ladislav Smid 5 goals, 13 points #9 Dion Phaneuf 17 goals, 60 points #9 Peter Taticek 0 goals, 0 points #9 Tuomo Ruuttu 26 goals, 57 points #9 Brent Krahn (goalie) 1 NHL game. Some good some bad but getting a reinhart for a 9th is most definitely worth it if offered. hes right there with all the rest of the good players drafted at 9. we also have to wonder what miller and horvat are thinking. Both guys wanna win but do they really want to wait for our 9th pick to be able to play with them? When both contracts are up in 2 years does miller and horvat think “well they are going more towards building threw the draft than winning right now” would they even wanna sign here again? Do we wanna win now or wait till petey is 27-28 and hope our draft pics are ready to contribute. I don’t think it’s only Reinhart that’s going to help this team right? Like if they don’t get Reinhart, there’s no other ways to improve the team? Why can’t management retain the 9th OA and improve the team through other avenues of trades, UFA signings, etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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