Blackhawks player from 2010 championship team suing team for sexual assault by coach

[Alflives]

7 minutes ago, Fanuck said:

The Hawks have certainly been tried and convicted in the court of public opinion but whether they are legally responsible for their actions (or lack thereof) remains to be seen.  

Legally, perhaps not, but the Hawks (who knew) and did nothing are responsible for the guy hurting more people.  The league can’t do much, but really they should.  Take away draft picks or something.  

[Fanuck]

15 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Legally, perhaps not, but the Hawks (who knew) and did nothing are responsible for the guy hurting more people.  The league can’t do much, but really they should.  Take away draft picks or something.  

Don't get me wrong Alf, the Hawks are culpable on some level and I'm certainly NOT letting them off the hook, but your statement and other similar ones in this thread completely overlook the FACT that the perpetrator,  in this case that pos Aldrich,  is 100% responsible for his own actions.  Neither the Hawks nor his initial victims made this scumbag continue to assault others - that was his own decision.  This fact should not be forgotten. 

[Gurn]

1 hour ago, Fanuck said:

Don't get me wrong Alf, the Hawks are culpable on some level and I'm certainly NOT letting them off the hook, but your statement and other similar ones in this thread completely overlook the FACT that the perpetrator,  in this case that pos Aldrich,  is 100% responsible for his own actions.  Neither the Hawks nor his initial victims made this scumbag continue to assault others - that was his own decision.  This fact should not be forgotten. 

Agreed.

[Gurn]

1 hour ago, Fanuck said:

Don't get me wrong Alf, the Hawks are culpable on some level and I'm certainly NOT letting them off the hook, but your statement and other similar ones in this thread completely overlook the FACT that the perpetrator,  in this case that pos Aldrich,  is 100% responsible for his own actions.  Neither the Hawks nor his initial victims made this scumbag continue to assault others - that was his own decision.  This fact should not be forgotten. 

Again I agree.

Not a double post. Just needed to say it twice.

[204CanucksFan]

1 hour ago, Fanuck said:

Don't get me wrong Alf, the Hawks are culpable on some level and I'm certainly NOT letting them off the hook, but your statement and other similar ones in this thread completely overlook the FACT that the perpetrator,  in this case that pos Aldrich,  is 100% responsible for his own actions.  Neither the Hawks nor his initial victims made this scumbag continue to assault others - that was his own decision.  This fact should not be forgotten. 

I agree that Aldrich is responsible for his own actions and needs to be fully brought to justice but the FACT is that the Blackhawks organization knew this man committed sexual assault and did nothing as well as giving him a good recommendation to get a new job working with young people. What you're saying is like saying the Catholic Church bears little to no responsibility for knowingly shuffling pedophile priests around the world to avoid them getting in trouble and then letting them to continue to work with children.

[Alflives]

1 hour ago, Fanuck said:

Don't get me wrong Alf, the Hawks are culpable on some level and I'm certainly NOT letting them off the hook, but your statement and other similar ones in this thread completely overlook the FACT that the perpetrator,  in this case that pos Aldrich,  is 100% responsible for his own actions.  Neither the Hawks nor his initial victims made this scumbag continue to assault others - that was his own decision.  This fact should not be forgotten. 

For certain, but those who see abuse need to report it.  From Sopel’s comments it sure sounds like the Hawk’s brass was aware, yet they did nothing. 

[Fanuck]

3 minutes ago, 204CanucksFan said:

I agree that Aldrich is responsible for his own actions and needs to be fully brought to justice but the FACT is that the Blackhawks organization knew this man committed sexual assault and did nothing as well as giving him a good recommendation to get a new job working with young people. What you're saying is like saying the Catholic Church bears little to no responsibility for knowingly shuffling pedophile priests around the world to avoid them getting in trouble and then letting them to continue to work with children.

You need to think like a scumbag defense lawyer, what you're stating,  that the Hawks knew a sexual assault took place, isn't actually a fact whatsoever.  What MAY be a fact is that something was reported to them and they were derelict in their duty to investigate it and perhaps even willfully refused to look into it.  But to state that they knew,  as fact, that there was a crime would presuppose that a proper investigation involving the right authorities actually took place and an outcome was ascertained.  Don't confuse what you/I/anyone else feels is right/wrong,  it only matters what can be proven in a court of law.

 

Again,  look at it with a scumbag defense lawyer lens, as it is now its a much less severe (at least criminally speaking, not morally) charge opposed to what they could be guilty of.

 

And for THE RECORD, I stated that the Hawks organization is guilty on some level and under no circumstances should they be let of the hook morally or criminally  - I'll let the authorities decide their exact level of culpability. 

[Nucksownyou]

Just more proof that the craphawks are a garbage organization and don't deserve any of their cups.

[-Vintage Canuck-]

 

[Fanuck]

1 hour ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

 

Lol...why didn't your organization respect the victim and take action when it was first reported Stan?  

[Gurn]

On 7/20/2021 at 4:31 PM, Alflives said:

For certain, but those who see abuse need to report it.  From Sopel’s comments it sure sounds like the Hawk’s brass was aware, yet they did nothing. 

From Sopel's comments it is clear Sopel knew about it; did Sopel report it?

Seems like a whole lot of people knew about it, and the only ones that did something about it were the victims.

Which took some time, for them to be ready to do so.

A prime example of why sexual assaults are so hard to prove and so hard to stop.

[-Vintage Canuck-]

 

[DrJockitch]

On 5/13/2021 at 7:44 PM, SirCosmoDuffGordon said:

This went to the NHLPA, a counselor and the Blackhawks all of whom never saw any wrong doing and then suddenly when there is a conviction someone comes forward and starts suing? Yea okay, believe whatever you want but from the facts that are available right now this looks like a money grab. 

 

When did Fleury go to the NHLPA, a counselor and an organization? Also, when I met Theo Fleury, about 10 years ago, he was trying to sell me on a forex get rich quick scheme that was obviously a scam. I wouldn't be surprised if Fleury coming out was due to needing money or seeing it as way to make money off a book.

 

edit: I'll add that counselor denies even hearing of anything like this. So really until there is more evidence there really is no reason to believe this is anything more than a money grab.

That isn’t how it works. The patient has every right to privacy and can very much ask the physician or counsellor to keep these details private in case the Blackhawks were to do something like say it is a merit less case without investigating.  
This was presumably a young man hoping to play in the NHL there is very much pressure to not rock the boat or look like a trouble maker. There is also a power disparity there. 
It is not uncommon to see more victims come out when someone gets accused. That doesn’t mean they are all looking for a payday but are often ashamed and don’t want it to be public. When a victim comes forward it leads to a sense that I wasn’t the only one and then often the floodgates open. Much like what happened with the grouper in chief in the US. 

Edited July 22, 2021 by DrJockitch

[-Vintage Canuck-]

 

[TheRussianRocket1994]

12 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

 

Seriously f'd up stuff! So disgusted!!

[Gurn]

3 hours ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

 

So Kevin, didn't know, till he was told, then admits to no further involvement.

 No further involvement, like telling his boss or a cop.

 

 

 

[Master Mind]

3 minutes ago, gurn said:

So Kevin, didn't know, till he was told, then admits to no further involvement.

 No further involvement, like telling his boss or a cop.

 

 

 

The wording in that statement sounds a little suspicious to me...

[Fanuck]

59 minutes ago, gurn said:

So Kevin, didn't know, till he was told, then admits to no further involvement.

 No further involvement, like telling his boss or a cop.

 

 

 

Exactly gurn.

That statement sounds,  like Sheldon Kennedy would say, totally cowardly.   Makes it seem like once he confirmed he had no legal responsibility he gtfo of the picture. 

[CaNuCkSLoUiE23]

F***** disgusting. The Hawks players, especially their “leaders,” should be absolutely ashamed of themselves. But of course, they’re only sorry once they’re caught. Disgrace. Makes me sick. 

[grandmaster]

3 hours ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

 

So disgusting.
 

Easier to read version:

 

https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/2188319

 

Warning: Story contains graphic content about sexual assault.

Further details have emerged in the civil lawsuit against the Chicago Blackhawksbrought by a former player. 

The amended lawsuit details an incident in May 2010 and states video coach Brad Aldrich turned on pornography at his apartment and began to masturbate in front of the plaintiff, according to Ben Pope of the Chicago Sun-Times, who provided screenshots of the updated lawsuit.

 

 

The player attempted to leave, but Aldrich blocked the exit and threatened him with a small baseball bat, the lawsuit states. Additionally, Aldrich verbally threatened the player, saying he'd never play in the NHL again if he didn't engage in nonconsensual sexual activity.

Pope also provides a screenshot from the lawsuit that states that for years after the abuse, the player was subject to homophobic and "humiliating trash talking by his teammates during scrimmages where coaches were present."

The assault allegedly occurred while the Blackhawks were in the 2010 Western Conference Final. Former Chicago assistant coach John Torchetti told TSN in June that team management met to discuss the situation but never brought it to police.

Brent Sopel, a defenseman on the team at the time, said "pretty much every" player knew about it.

The Blackhawks hired a former federal prosecutor in June to conduct an independent, team-financed review of the allegations, which have yet to be tested in court.