[proposal] Vancouver Canucks and Anaheim Ducks - 2021 1st for Hampus Lindholm (sign and trade)

[Patel Bure]

[proposal] Vancouver Canucks and Anaheim Ducks - 2021 1st for Hampus Lindholm (sign and trade)

 

To Anaheim:  2021 1st 

To Vancouver:  Hampus Lindholm (signed by Anaheim before being traded to Vancouver)

 

I’m assuming that Vancouver might have to add a little here but I don’t know.

 

Anaheim does this because:

• They are rebuilding and would likely get a top 5 draft pick with Vancouver’s 1st.
• Hampus Lindholm likely won’t sign with Anaheim after July 1st 2022 anyways.

 

Vancouver does this because:

• The Canucks need a long term top pairing “defensive defenseman” that can fill Edler’s shoes long term
• They take a proactive stance in landing one of the better defensive defensemen in the league that won’t cost an arm and a leg in the manner that a Dougie Hamilton or Seth Jones will.
• Getting a David Savard or Adam Larsson would be nice, but keep in mind that they are right sided defensemen.  In other words, adding one of those guys would likely force Schmidt to play his left side where he isn’t as effective.  

 

Miller-Pettersson-Boeser

Hoglander-Horvat-Podkolzin

Pearson-####-Lind (go hard after Wenneberg to center this line).

Motte-Graovich-Highmore

 

Lindholm-Schmidt (potentially one of the best defensive pairings in the league - hire Gerard Gallant - he knows how to utilize Schmidt properly).

Hughes-Hamonic

Juolevi/Rathbone-Myers. [if we can’t sign a guy like Wenneberg, use one of Juolevi or Rathbone to trade for a good two way third line center with decent hands]

 

Demko

Holtby

Edited May 13, 2021 by Patel Bure

[Miss Korea Bob.Loblaw]

It is absurd to suggest that Quinn Hughes will be anything less than a top pairing defenceman in the next two years.  He already is, and he will certainly get paid like one in the summer.  Finding a suitable partner for him would help make our blueline far more deadly than adding Lindholm.

[IBatch]

2 hours ago, Bob.Loblaw said:

It is absurd to suggest that Quinn Hughes will be anything less than a top pairing defenceman in the next two years.  He already is, and he will certainly get paid like one in the summer.  Finding a suitable partner for him would help make our blueline far more deadly than adding Lindholm.

Didn't read that anywhere in the OP or thread title.  

 

It's also absurd to assume anything before it's happened.    QHs is on track for -45 or so over a full season.   Not a good look.  Record breaking i believe (did a Canuck).   It can't all be hung on his partner, but for sure quite a bit could be hung on the coaching staff for refusing to reign it in and manage his minutes.    Curiously enough they have started, but i'm sure that has more to do with Rathbone getting a good look then anything.   

 

Barrie is 200lbs but the same size, Krug is built like a little tank.   I'm sure once he's had a couple more seasons, adds some muscle, his overall game will improve, but it's not a foregone conclusion he won't be anything more then a solid third pairing or middle pairing PP specialist too.    For sure he's already a very good offensive defenseman.   Housley would be his ceiling ... Brian Campbell was the same size, didn't score as much, but could control the pace of an entire game or even series.   Felt he was better then Kieth many games.    So for sure their is hope he can evolve into a player like that AND threaten to lead the D's in scoring.    Wouldn't that be great!    He's so young. 

[IBatch]

Schmidt natural side is the L.   I'd much rather keep our first this season and take a stab at Hamilton is he comes to free agency.   I'm not as high on Savard as some are, but if the cap is ok then yes sign him too.   Would mean we would have to buy-out LE, but it could be done.   In Hamilton's case if we could get him, i'd probably trade QHs.   That would give us a treasure trove of something to add to Hamilton.    

 

Most likely neither will be available to us which means use our pick on one of these highly touted D's this draft...top ten has 7 and 3c's ....

Edited May 13, 2021 by IBatch

[smithers joe]

i agree batch but if the coaches reign him in too much, he becomes just another d man. he loses that electric stallion offensive weapon that he was drafted to be. fine line there. he just has to pick his spots and partner with a faster tanev type.

i like having both quinn and rathbone on the power play. just wish they would be more fluid. all the PP'ers. there is something to be said about the old russian system. they were always in motion.

but one thing i agree with lobby, is we still don't have a replacement for edler.

eventually we could see, hughes and ..........; rathbone and woo; and juolevi and myers.

[smithers joe]

Just now, smithers joe said:

i agree batch but if the coaches reign him in too much, he becomes just another d man. he loses that electric stallion offensive weapon that he was drafted to be. fine line there. he just has to pick his spots and partner with a faster tanev type.

i like having both quinn and rathbone on the power play. just wish they would be more fluid. all the PP'ers. there is something to be said about the old russian system. they were always in motion.

but one thing i agree with lobby, is we still don't have a replacement for edler.

eventually we could see, hughes and ..........; rathbone and woo; and juolevi and myers/ schmidt.

 

[Patel Bure]

25 minutes ago, IBatch said:

Schmidt natural side is the L.   I'd much rather keep our first this season and take a stab at Hamilton is he comes to free agency.   I'm not as high on Savard as some are, but if the cap is ok then yes sign him too.   Would mean we would have to buy-out LE, but it could be done.   In Hamilton's case if we could get him, i'd probably trade QHs.   That would give us a treasure trove of something to add to Hamilton.    

 

Most likely neither will be available to us which means use our pick on one of these highly touted D's this draft...top ten has 7 and 3c's ....

Didn’t Schmidt have his most success in Vegas as a right sided defenseman?

[IBatch]

1 minute ago, Patel Bure said:

Didn’t Schmidt have his most success in Vegas as a right sided defenseman?

Yes, playing with Vegas number one on their top paring.    But he's like Benn, can play both sides ... TG likes his D's playing on their correct shot side as do other coaches.   Makes it easier to shoot the puck.   Schmidt is Edler's replacement if we need him to be.  Our R side is pretty thin .... nice to have the option to use him either way.   OJ is a lock for our third paring next season in pretty certain of that.    If Rathbone can also earn a spot then for sure Schmidt will play on the R side. 

[Patel Bure]

3 hours ago, Bob.Loblaw said:

It is absurd to suggest that Quinn Hughes will be anything less than a top pairing defenceman in the next two years.  He already is, and he will certainly get paid like one in the summer.  Finding a suitable partner for him would help make our blueline far more deadly than adding Lindholm.

I didn’t say otherwise.   
 

What I was trying to get at was that you could have a guy like Hughes anchor a 2nd pairing D and basically give the Canucks to solid defensive pairings.   Hughes was absolutely killer in 19-20 when he was on the 2nd pairing playing with Tanev.  
 

“If the wheel ain’t broke, why fix it?”  Put Hamonic with Hughes on a second pairing and let Hughes dominate down there.  Then, whenever Hughes isn’t on the ice, Lindholm and Schmidt can log a lot of big minutes, giving the Canucks two very good defensive pairings.

[Patel Bure]

1 minute ago, IBatch said:

Yes, playing with Vegas number one on their top paring.    But he's like Benn, can play both sides ... TG likes his D's playing on their correct shot side as do other coaches.   Makes it easier to shoot the puck.   Schmidt is Edler's replacement if we need him to be.  Our R side is pretty thin .... nice to have the option to use him either way.   OJ is a lock for our third paring next season in pretty certain of that.    If Rathbone can also earn a spot then for sure Schmidt will play on the R side. 

Fair enough.  I guess from my perspective, I’d rather just play a guy in where he enjoyed his most success.  That’s why I’m hoping that we hire Gerard Gallant in the summer once this season ends.  Gallant knew how to maximize Schmidt and wasn’t obsessed with not preventing guys from playing their off side.  
 

It’s ironic that you mention Benn because although he could also play both sides, he was significantly better on the right side and yet Green insisted deploying Benn on the left.
 

Even a guy like Jake Virtanen experienced most of his success in juniors as a left winger if I recall correctly. 

[SirCosmoDuffGordon]

6 hours ago, Patel Bure said:

[proposal] Vancouver Canucks and Anaheim Ducks - 2021 1st for Hampus Lindholm (sign and trade)

 

To Anaheim:  2021 1st 

To Vancouver:  Hampus Lindholm (signed by Anaheim before being traded to Vancouver)

 

I’m assuming that Vancouver might have to add a little here but I don’t know.

 

Anaheim does this because:

• They are rebuilding and would likely get a top 5 draft pick with Vancouver’s 1st.
• Hampus Lindholm likely won’t sign with Anaheim after July 1st 2022 anyways.

 

Vancouver does this because:

• The Canucks need a long term top pairing “defensive defenseman” that can fill Edler’s shoes long term
• They take a proactive stance in landing one of the better defensive defensemen in the league that won’t cost an arm and a leg in the manner that a Dougie Hamilton or Seth Jones will.
• Getting a David Savard or Adam Larsson would be nice, but keep in mind that they are right sided defensemen.  In other words, adding one of those guys would likely force Schmidt to play his left side where he isn’t as effective.  

 

Miller-Pettersson-Boeser

Hoglander-Horvat-Podkolzin

Pearson-####-Lind (go hard after Wenneberg to center this line).

Motte-Graovich-Highmore

 

Lindholm-Schmidt (potentially one of the best defensive pairings in the league - hire Gerard Gallant - he knows how to utilize Schmidt properly).

Hughes-Hamonic

Juolevi/Rathbone-Myers. [if we can’t sign a guy like Wenneberg, use one of Juolevi or Rathbone to trade for a good two way third line center with decent hands]

 

Demko

Holtby

First Off, A top pairing Dman in the NHL is worth far more than an top 5 pick in the draft. Second, Signing him would make him worth considerably more. Third, where do you get the likely top 5 pick from? Our pick is likely top 10 and extremely unlikely to be a top 5 pick. There is little chance we go 1-5-0 or 0-3-2 in the final 5 games to get a top 5 pick. We aren't going to lose 4 to calgary it will like be 2-2 or 2-1-1 or 1-2-1 which puts us out of a top 5 pick unless we won the lottery which we have never done. 

 

Anaheim could get a kings ransom for Lindholm if they wanted to trade him which they would be stupid to do so. 

 

Edit: I just saw you say Dougie Hamilton was a defense dman and implied he was better than Lindholm. We are done here, lmao. 

Edited May 13, 2021 by SirCosmoDuffGordon

[canuktravella]

ya we arent trading a top5 pick for a old vet dman thats not that good maybe a 3rd rounder 

[Patel Bure]

1 hour ago, SirCosmoDuffGordon said:

First Off, A top pairing Dman in the NHL is worth far more than an top 5 pick in the draft. Second, Signing him would make him worth considerably more. Third, where do you get the likely top 5 pick from? Our pick is likely top 10 and extremely unlikely to be a top 5 pick. There is little chance we go 1-5-0 or 0-3-2 in the final 5 games to get a top 5 pick. We aren't going to lose 4 to calgary it will like be 2-2 or 2-1-1 or 1-2-1 which puts us out of a top 5 pick unless we won the lottery which we have never done. 

 

Anaheim could get a kings ransom for Lindholm if they wanted to trade him which they would be stupid to do so. 

 

Edit: I just saw you say Dougie Hamilton was a defense dman and implied he was better than Lindholm. We are done here, lmao. 

I wasn’t trying to say that DH was a “defensive defenseman.”   Was just saying that he’ll likely sign at an arm and a leg whereas a guy like HL would be more affordable.   I will admit that the way I typed this was not clear.

 

edit - I was also trying to say that IF we sneak into the top 5 lottery, we could parlay that into HL (maybe having to add to this as well).  Obviously, a top 5 pick isn’t guaranteed but we do have a good chance.

Edited May 13, 2021 by Patel Bure

[Patel Bure]

1 hour ago, canuktravella said:

ya we arent trading a top5 pick for a old vet dman thats not that good maybe a 3rd rounder 

Lindholm is 27 and turns 28 in January.   Is that really “old?”

 

I would also argue that Lindholm’s stats have been adversely effected due to being on a bad team.

[BCNate]

7 hours ago, Bob.Loblaw said:

It is absurd to suggest that Quinn Hughes will be anything less than a top pairing defenceman in the next two years.  He already is, and he will certainly get paid like one in the summer.  Finding a suitable partner for him would help make our blueline far more deadly than adding Lindholm.

Quinn Hughes has a long way to go before he is considered a top pair defenseman.  He was atrocious defensively this season.  If he does not improve on that end, and still plays 23+ mins per night, this team is in a lot of trouble. 

[BCNate]

9 hours ago, Patel Bure said:

[proposal] Vancouver Canucks and Anaheim Ducks - 2021 1st for Hampus Lindholm (sign and trade)

 

To Anaheim:  2021 1st 

To Vancouver:  Hampus Lindholm (signed by Anaheim before being traded to Vancouver)

 

I’m assuming that Vancouver might have to add a little here but I don’t know.

 

Anaheim does this because:

• They are rebuilding and would likely get a top 5 draft pick with Vancouver’s 1st.
• Hampus Lindholm likely won’t sign with Anaheim after July 1st 2022 anyways.

 

Vancouver does this because:

• The Canucks need a long term top pairing “defensive defenseman” that can fill Edler’s shoes long term
• They take a proactive stance in landing one of the better defensive defensemen in the league that won’t cost an arm and a leg in the manner that a Dougie Hamilton or Seth Jones will.
• Getting a David Savard or Adam Larsson would be nice, but keep in mind that they are right sided defensemen.  In other words, adding one of those guys would likely force Schmidt to play his left side where he isn’t as effective.  

 

Miller-Pettersson-Boeser

Hoglander-Horvat-Podkolzin

Pearson-####-Lind (go hard after Wenneberg to center this line).

Motte-Graovich-Highmore

 

Lindholm-Schmidt (potentially one of the best defensive pairings in the league - hire Gerard Gallant - he knows how to utilize Schmidt properly).

Hughes-Hamonic

Juolevi/Rathbone-Myers. [if we can’t sign a guy like Wenneberg, use one of Juolevi or Rathbone to trade for a good two way third line center with decent hands]

 

Demko

Holtby

Not sure I agree with you here.  For next year as of right now we have:

LHD                       RHD                   

Rathbone              Myers

Schmidt 

Hughes

Juolevi

Chatfield

 

I'd assume they bring Hamonic back, but I'm still looking for a RHD if I'm Benning.  If I'm giving up our 1st, I'm looking for a high end offensive talent for our top 6, or a stay at home RHD to play with one of our younger LHD.

 

I'd shift Schmidt back to his natural side.  Not sure he looked comfortable at all this year, not sure if it was coaching, deployment, pairing, but I think making some major changes on our D is a must this offseason.

[BCNate]

4 hours ago, smithers joe said:

i agree batch but if the coaches reign him in too much, he becomes just another d man. he loses that electric stallion offensive weapon that he was drafted to be. fine line there. he just has to pick his spots and partner with a faster tanev type.

i like having both quinn and rathbone on the power play. just wish they would be more fluid. all the PP'ers. there is something to be said about the old russian system. they were always in motion.

but one thing i agree with lobby, is we still don't have a replacement for edler.

eventually we could see, hughes and ..........; rathbone and woo; and juolevi and myers.

I agree 100% with your comments.  Watch McDavid on the PP, he is always moving.  Once we set up we just play stationary pitch and catch.  Results are as expected.

[Pears]

Why would we trade our first this year, which is likely to be another top five pick, for yet another left shot dman? If we move it for anyone it’ll be for a righty. 

[wallstreetamigo]

We have enough left handed, left side D. Need a top pairing rhd much more. And bottom 6 centers. And consistent offensive top 6 and two way bottom 6 producers, and better coaches, and a GM who can make those things happen.

 

Left handed D and gpaltending are the most secure areas on this roster.

 

 

[Patel Bure]

1 hour ago, BCNate said:

Not sure I agree with you here.  For next year as of right now we have:

LHD                       RHD                   

Rathbone              Myers

Schmidt 

Hughes

Juolevi

Chatfield

 

I'd assume they bring Hamonic back, but I'm still looking for a RHD if I'm Benning.  If I'm giving up our 1st, I'm looking for a high end offensive talent for our top 6, or a stay at home RHD to play with one of our younger LHD.

 

I'd shift Schmidt back to his natural side.  Not sure he looked comfortable at all this year, not sure if it was coaching, deployment, pairing, but I think making some major changes on our D is a must this offseason.

I have Schmidt listed as a RD.  
 

Although Schmidt can play both sides, he’s always been much better on his off-side.  He’s like Jordie Benn in that regard.  My hope is that the Canucks bring in a coach (Gerard Gallant) that not only understands how to deploy Schmidt, but is also flexible enough to let players play on their off-wing and off side.

 

Aside from Schmidt and Benn, Virtanen is also better on his off wing.  
 

On your above list, I also had Hamonic listed (reports say that he likes it here and wants to re-sign and so I took a leap of faith).

 

####-Schmidt

Hughes-Hamonic

Juolevi-Myers

 

Is how I see it.   Play Schmidt on the side and in the role that he was best at.  The guy was a Norris trophy candidate playing the RIGHT side.

 

Use one of Rathbone or Juolevi to bring in a good 3rd line center if we can’t sign one in the off-season.