Israelis and Hamas Conflict/ Netanyahu Out as PM - Coalition Led by Bennett Take Over

[Nuxfanabroad]

It's utterly shocking, & the average, younger NA'n person must be incredulous.

 

There are actually places on the globe where issues exist that are of far greater importance, than if your favourite sporting team(s) are playing well.

[drummer4now]

3 minutes ago, Sbriggs said:

I believe it was you who called me uneducated and ignorant and then you refer to me living in a smalll town as part of my problem? Take a look in the mirror. Lets agree to disagree and go our own ways. Now I know who you are I'll ignore what you have to say on this site......about anything

It is funny because I did take a look in the mirror and I in fact live in a small town on Vancouver Island.. 

 

Sure just ignore me I think that is better than being ganged by upvotes. 

[Ilunga]

1 hour ago, drummer4now said:

I was using that as an example of the posters logic and refusal to read the facts.. instead of using the same narrative we hear all the time. 

Religion this religion that.. 

 

My experience with anti-religious people is they are usually very uneducated or just plain ignorant.

I guess living in small towns doesn't help either.  

 

I don't have an issue if you are not religious as no one is forcing anyone to believe in the western world but at least have the respect for it. 

 

I have studied this in University a place of knowledge and come to learn some facts also hearing first hand accounts with people that live there. 

I am an agnostic.

The reason I am an agnostic is that you cannot prove to me that there is a god and you cannot prove to me that there is not a god.

 

What I am 99.99999 percent certain of is that the Abrahamic God is a human construct that was developed to give a wandering,homeless tribe of people hope.

 

That idea was then and now used as a means of control.

 

I have studied religion,pyschology and the factors that determine what sort of a person we turn out to be all my adult life,40 years and continuing to do so.

 

In regards to this conflict after centuries of persecution the people who claimed a god gave them that land have had a presence there for over 3000 years.

The Arab or Palestinian population of that land has been there for about 1400 hundred years.

 

Certain parts of that land are sacred to both peoples because of the religious significance of sites there, Jerusalem in particular.

 

Others in this thread have talked about control and power over such sites as being the motivating factor in this conflict so one must ask oneself would this conflict exist if these places were not deemed "holy".

 

What is a fact is that is Israel is to use the United Nations security words " is flagrantly defying international law with their settlements in the West bank,east Jerusalem and the golan heights".

 

The international red cross ,the international Court of justice and the United nations general assembly all agree that Israel is in violation of article 49 of the fourth Geneva convention and they are in breach of international declarations.

 

Now depending whose side you are on those things mean nothing or everything.

 

What I know for a fact is that people are killing people,the Israelis are persecuting the Palestinians and this will continue to happen because no-one outside of Palestine really gives a rat's arse.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 14, 2021 by Ilunga

[UKNuck96]

12 hours ago, Alflives said:

Muslims and Jews; Palestinians and Israelis.  These people believe in the very same God, right?  They can share the same God, but not the same land?  The fighting between these two groups has got to get fixed.  

Unfortunately it’s not a simple as a religious output. 
 

the UK, France and the League of Nations are pretty culpable for the mess. 
 

As are the Irgun - which essentially was integrated into the IDF and the Herut party - which was one of the parties allied and then subsumed by Likud. 
 

I would argue that religion is a tool which is used by both sides but it’s not an inherently religious struggle. 

[JM_]

11 hours ago, drummer4now said:

 

I don't know the stance in Judaism but in Islam it is forbidden to hate other religions or teachings.. 

So killing someone because of their beliefs is a major no no.

 

But since humans have their own conscience and do as they believe what is religion going to do to stop them. 

nothing. It does seem tho like the people who claim to be the most religious are often the ones doing the most harm in its name. 

[Sbriggs]

9 hours ago, Ilunga said:

I am an agnostic.

The reason I am an agnostic is that you cannot prove to me that there is a god and you cannot prove to me that there is not a god.

 

What I am 99.99999 percent certain of is that the Abrahamic God is a human construct that was developed to give a wandering,homeless tribe of people hope.

 

That idea was then and now used as a means of control.

 

I have studied religion,pyschology and the factors that determine what sort of a person we turn out to be all my adult life,40 years and continuing to do so.

 

In regards to this conflict after centuries of persecution the people who claimed a god gave them that land have had a presence there for over 3000 years.

The Arab or Palestinian population of that land has been there for about 1400 hundred years.

 

Certain parts of that land are sacred to both peoples because of the religious significance of sites there, Jerusalem in particular.

 

Others in this thread have talked about control and power over such sites as being the motivating factor in this conflict so one must ask oneself would this conflict exist if these places were not deemed "holy".

 

What is a fact is that is Israel is to use the United Nations security words " is flagrantly defying international law with their settlements in the West bank,east Jerusalem and the golan heights".

 

The international red cross ,the international Court of justice and the United nations general assembly all agree that Israel is in violation of article 49 of the fourth Geneva convention and they are in breach of international declarations.

 

Now depending whose side you are on those things mean nothing or everything.

 

What I know for a fact is that people are killing people,the Israelis are persecuting the Palestinians and this will continue to happen because no-one outside of Palestine really gives a rat's arse.

 

 

 

 

 

Excellent post

[Heretic]

14 hours ago, Warhippy said:

Israelis stormed mosques a few days ago and kicked this off.  Cannot recall or remember why.  Excessive force by all accounts.

 

Hamas of course fired rockets green lighting the Israeli IDF to launch air strikes and guided missile attacks

 

Palestinians cannot fight back against Hamas and ISraeli forces, but are also at risk from IDF defended Israeli mobs who are assaulting and attacking Palestinian citizens in their homes and on the streets.  Any retaliation sees quick and swift reprisals by the IDF who claim they are defending israeli citizens.

 

PErsonally...I say just have Elon Musk supervillain a meteor down wipe the entire place off the map and start over because it's never going to get better

 

 

Yeah, it's quite a sad blemish on humanity's history.  I can't see this ever getting resolved neither...

[NewbieCanuckFan]

49 minutes ago, Heretic said:

Yeah, it's quite a sad blemish on humanity's history.  I can't see this ever getting resolved neither...

How long have people been taking each other out in the name of 'you know who'?

[Heretic]

1 minute ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:

How long have people been taking each other out in the name of 'you know who'?

Not quite as long as people taking each other out without 'you know who'. 

 

[NewbieCanuckFan]

2 minutes ago, Heretic said:

Not quite as long as people taking each other out without 'you know who'. 

 

I wouldn't know.  I'm still locked in Alf's attic.

[Warhippy]

39 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:

How long have people been taking each other out in the name of 'you know who'?

I think the greeks and romans had it right

 

Very little if any serious conflict was ever due to the blame of religion.  Sure they had a god of war but they didn't use it as an excuse they just said he favoured the winner.

 

Have a god or goddess for everything and then everyone can be right

[DonLever]

Over 100 civilians killed as Israel intensifies attacks against Hamas (msn.com)

 

More than 100 civilians have been killed and over 1,000 wounded as the latest round of fighting between Israel's military and Hamas, the Palestinian militant group ruling the neighboring Gaza Strip, hurtled toward an all-out war with neither side showing any signs of backing down.

 

So far, a total of 122 people, including 31 children and 20 women, have died in the Gaza Strip since tensions escalated Monday. At least 900 others have been injured, according to the Palestinian Ministry of Health.

Meanwhile, a total of seven people, including a soldier and a 6-year-old, were killed in Israel. More than 523 others have been wounded, according to the Israel Defense Forces. An eighth Israeli citizen, an 87-year-old woman, also died after falling while on her way to a bomb shelter, according to the Israeli emergency service.

MORE: Israeli ground troops carrying out strikes into Gaza Strip, IDF says

Friday marked the fifth straight day of fighting between the two sides amid growing fears that Israel's military would launch a ground invasion of the Gaza Strip. The IDF said early Friday that ground forces, including tanks and artillery, were now firing into the blockaded Palestinian territory from the Israeli side of the border while aircraft continued to strike targets. The IDF said there were currently no Israeli boots on the ground in the Gaza Strip, after a spokesperson erroneously told ABC News that troops had entered the territory. The spokesperson said the error was due to a miscommunication between forces and his media team.

Edited May 14, 2021 by DonLever

[Wayne Glensky]

I find it quite baffling the amount of people supporting the Palestinian backed Hamas group. Do they not understand that this is a Jihadi fundamentalist terrorist organization that is using hospitals, crowded public spaces, woman and children as shields ? Israel has every right to defend itself yet these progressive socialists are screaming bloody murder that Isreal decided to fight back. What a world we live in. 

[UKNuck96]

3 hours ago, Wayne Glensky said:

I find it quite baffling the amount of people supporting the Palestinian backed Hamas group. Do they not understand that this is a Jihadi fundamentalist terrorist organization that is using hospitals, crowded public spaces, woman and children as shields ? Israel has every right to defend itself yet these progressive socialists are screaming bloody murder that Isreal decided to fight back. What a world we live in. 

 Because there isn’t much hope, they tried other options, if it was a simple as not supporting hamas you would think it would have been resolved by now. 
 

israel does have a right to defend itself, however the blockade of Gaza is essentially trying to starve the whole area out. Israel has consistently and repeatedly not kept up their end of the bargain in negotiations including the shutting down of crossings. The situation goes both ways and just sayin it’s Hamas is over simplistic and shows a complete lack of understanding 

[Ilunga]

9 hours ago, UKNuck96 said:

Unfortunately it’s not a simple as a religious output. 
 

the UK, France and the League of Nations are pretty culpable for the mess. 
 

As are the Irgun - which essentially was integrated into the IDF and the Herut party - which was one of the parties allied and then subsumed by Likud. 
 

I would argue that religion is a tool which is used by both sides but it’s not an inherently religious struggle. 

The Irgun were a terrorist organisation pure and simple.

 

But as they say one man's terrorist another's man's freedom fighter.

[Ilunga]

5 hours ago, Warhippy said:

I think the greeks and romans had it right

 

Very little if any serious conflict was ever due to the blame of religion.  Sure they had a god of war but they didn't use it as an excuse they just said he favoured the winner.

 

Have a god or goddess for everything and then everyone can be right

Yeah - Naaah 

 

https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2020/10/15/religious-conflicts-around-the-globe-and-a-solution/

 

I will let the article speak for itself.

 

If you were one of the victims or family members of victims  of these or other countless religious conflicts through out history you would call them serious.

 

 

[Ilunga]

5 hours ago, DonLever said:

Over 100 civilians killed as Israel intensifies attacks against Hamas (msn.com)

 

More than 100 civilians have been killed and over 1,000 wounded as the latest round of fighting between Israel's military and Hamas, the Palestinian militant group ruling the neighboring Gaza Strip, hurtled toward an all-out war with neither side showing any signs of backing down.

 

So far, a total of 122 people, including 31 children and 20 women, have died in the Gaza Strip since tensions escalated Monday. At least 900 others have been injured, according to the Palestinian Ministry of Health.

Meanwhile, a total of seven people, including a soldier and a 6-year-old, were killed in Israel. More than 523 others have been wounded, according to the Israel Defense Forces. An eighth Israeli citizen, an 87-year-old woman, also died after falling while on her way to a bomb shelter, according to the Israeli emergency service.

MORE: Israeli ground troops carrying out strikes into Gaza Strip, IDF says

Friday marked the fifth straight day of fighting between the two sides amid growing fears that Israel's military would launch a ground invasion of the Gaza Strip. The IDF said early Friday that ground forces, including tanks and artillery, were now firing into the blockaded Palestinian territory from the Israeli side of the border while aircraft continued to strike targets. The IDF said there were currently no Israeli boots on the ground in the Gaza Strip, after a spokesperson erroneously told ABC News that troops had entered the territory. The spokesperson said the error was due to a miscommunication between forces and his media team.

It's always the innocent civilians that pay the price in war,mostly women and children.

[Gurn]

37 minutes ago, Ilunga said:

The Irgun were a terrorist organisation pure and simple.

 

But as they say one man's terrorist another's man's freedom fighter.

If fire fighters, fight fire and

crime fighters, fight crime

what do freedom fighters, fight?---     George Carlin.

[Gurn]

25 minutes ago, Ilunga said:

t's always the innocent civilians that pay the price in war,mostly women and children.

"The Generals sat

and the lines on the map

moved from side to side"    Roger Waters.

[Sbriggs]

1 hour ago, Ilunga said:

Yeah - Naaah 

 

https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2020/10/15/religious-conflicts-around-the-globe-and-a-solution/

 

I will let the article speak for itself.

 

If you were one of the victims or family members of victims  of these or other countless religious conflicts through out history you would call them serious.

 

 

Excellent read thank you