Change is on the horizon...

[Nostalgia]

5 minutes ago, stawns said:

again, he probably would have been a decent President, but he was an awful GM

I don't disagree. I did like the role players that he brought in: Malholtra, Lapierre, Torres was good for a while. Forgive me if those weren't Gillis pickups. I somewhat remember him following a money ball type theory. Maybe I was drinking the Gillis koolaid it was quite a while ago.

[Fred65]

2 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said:

Not really actually. Gillis did a lot of behind the scenes stuff reorganizing and innovating how the front office operated. They were seen as very forward thinking for that actually.

 

On the ice, he took a core group that could not get over the playoff hump and supplemented it to get them to 2 Presidents trophies and game 7 of the SCF. 

 

I think dismissing his contributions is unfair and completely revisionist history. He deserves credit fof the good stuff he did.

And frankly every new GM is in the exact same position, it's not like this was specific to Gillis. The great thing was he didn't predict in 2014 how quick he could turn the team around ala Benning. 

[wallstreetamigo]

1 minute ago, stawns said:

I couldn't stand Gillis, but he was an out of the box thinker, I agree.  However, though he added a couple of pieces, that was Burke and Nonis' team through and through

 

Gillus would have been a decent prez, but he was a poor GM and left the team in tatters and left the next GM with an almost impossible task of rebuilding

 

 

Ya I am not his biggest fan as a GM as I have long said.

 

But every GM takes over and has pieces from the previous ones. 

 

Adding a guy like Erhoff for example helpd elevate the Sedins game too. I think that gets understated.

 

If Benning is fired tomorrow, he will leave the next guy a good core but a lot of headaches too.

 

The longer GM's are around, especially when the results arent there, the more they start making ill advised panic moves. Benning has long been a short term thinker that way but you can tell with last year he made some panic moves that set the team back.

[-Vintage Canuck-]

 

[tas]

good will ambassadors?

[stawns]

55 minutes ago, Nostalgia said:

I don't disagree. I did like the role players that he brought in: Malholtra, Lapierre, Torres was good for a while. Forgive me if those weren't Gillis pickups. I somewhat remember him following a money ball type theory. Maybe I was drinking the Gillis koolaid it was quite a while ago.

I agree, I liked those moves as well

[stawns]

34 minutes ago, tas said:

good will ambassadors?

that's my guess. 

[Herberts Vasiljevs]

1 hour ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

 

I think a bold but great move would be to bring in Igor Larionov.

[24K PureCool]

1 hour ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

 

Going straight to GM huh.

[combover]

Gillis was far from perfect but he put together the team that came one win from a cup.

 

Terrible nonis draft pick from 2007, Patrick White, dealt to the San Jose Sharks alongside rookie defenceman Daniel Rahimi in exchange for Brad Lukowich and Christian Ehrhoff.

yeah terrible. Lol

 

He shored up his defence by adding Dan Hamhuis, added a faceoff specialist in Manny Malhotra and acquired a true playoff performer in Raffi Torres. Gillis also signed young college free agent Chris Tanev who has turned into a mainstay on the backend for the Canucks.

more terrible GMing right. 

At the trade deadline, Gillis acquired Maxim Lapierre and Chris Higgins who both came relatively cheap, only costing a couple third round draft picks, one prospect (Evan Oberg) and AHL player 

 

yup more duds. 

maybe do some research. 
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/the-transaction-history-of-mike-gillis

 

his drafting wasn’t good (excluding horvat) 

Far from perfect but the positives out weighed the negatives . 

but it seems so many want to try and defend or justify just how terrible JB has actually been by saying Gillis did nothing well aside from assembling a team that came 1 game from a cup and adding players that played huge parts in that.

I don’t want Gillis back his time had come but he was far from a bad gm , Jb however is a terrible gm that “ drafts well” 

[48MPHSlapShot]

6 minutes ago, 24K PureCool said:

Going straight to GM huh.

Pfft. They actually won the super secret billion dollar Swedish lottery and are in negotiations to purchase the franchise.

[awalk]

3 hours ago, oldnews said:

simplistic, prejudgemental take.   and patronizing to the Sedins wadr.

 

And by extension, probably underestimates/patronizes Linden as well - who imo did a very good job as President.

 

 

first, you don't know what the Sedins' role would be.

 

and second, you're not simply talking about 'stars' - you're talking about two of the most intelligent, hard working, innovative players of their era.

 

Listen to Bieksa speak about them on panels - what they taught their team-mates - how they gamed the game mentally

 

and perhaps hold off on prejudging whether they'd be mere figure heads.  

For all we know, they might be future Yzermans or Sakics....

They could also turn out to be Gretzkys - great players - that couldn't coach....

But let's not prejudge them with one-liners, while knowing literally nothing about what is being considered.

Who said what now?

 

Edited May 18, 2021 by awalk

[24K PureCool]

So much for change lol.

[Maniwaki Canuck]

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/canucks-inform-gm-jim-benning-will-remain-role-next-season/

Bizarre process, but here we are.  I could see it having gone either way, but am okay with another year.

[Junkyard Dog]

1 minute ago, Maniwaki Canuck said:

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/canucks-inform-gm-jim-benning-will-remain-role-next-season/

Bizarre process, but here we are.  I could see it having gone either way, but am okay with another year.

Probably won’t make much of a difference who’s GM next year. We won’t have cap till 2022 summer and have a bunch of kids needing NHL time. Gonna be a developmental year where we are probably gonna draft high again. 

[VegasCanuck]

So, as I was saying, Benning isn't going anywhere, will be back at the helm for the next season, and getting the chance to see his plan come to fruition.

 

[Drakrami]

2 hours ago, VegasCanuck said:

So, as I was saying, Benning isn't going anywhere, will be back at the helm for the next season, and getting the chance to see his plan come to fruition.

 

The fact that owner had to come out to say, yes Benning is back as GM next year already speaks volume. Let's see if Benning can turn the ship and this team can make the playoffs again much stronger. If not.... 

[VegasCanuck]

7 hours ago, Drakrami said:

The fact that owner had to come out to say, yes Benning is back as GM next year already speaks volume. Let's see if Benning can turn the ship and this team can make the playoffs again much stronger. If not.... 

If Canucks don't have a good season next year, I have no doubt that Benning will be gone. They have to show growth and that last season wasn't a fluke.

 

I believe that they will.

[lmm]

On 5/14/2021 at 1:35 PM, Alflives said:

wasn't gillis arguably our most successful GM ever?  He did do a great job filling out a roster to support a younger core group, and provided an environment for winning.  I just don't know is he will come back here after how it ended for him?  Maybe FA will ask?

remember when we used to mock the Oilers cuz management was full of ex-players?

everything that was old is new again

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with a skate or a whale or a crooked hockey stick on it