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1 hour ago, DeNiro said:

No one here has 10’s of millions of dollars in the bank so that doesn’t mean much to compare him to the average person.

 

Walking away from 3 when you just made 33 in the last 5 years wouldn’t be that tough.

 

They both share equal blame. He is a professional athlete that gets paid to perform at a certain level. He didn’t even come close to reaching that level. In the real world he would have been fired for his performance.

If you would do that good on you, if I was in LE's shoes I would sit back and come to training camp and ride it out. I believe its a 1m signing bonus and 5m in salary no for his last year? Regardless any 7 figure amount is a lot of money and NOBODY should walk away from that but hey Byfuglien did so who knows! Give me a PTO and I will take his knees out at camp and he can go on LTIR for the season! I walk away, save the team 6m in cap space, your welcome GM JB

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38 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

 

 

From all accounts the team has given him every opportunity 

 

Really tho? When you claim vesey and that other guy from the Laffs and play non NHL talented players above him it is as clear as mud just like the Baertschi situation it won't matter what Sven or LE does he will likely never play in an NHL game again for the Canucks.

 

If you believe otherwise tell me how because the whole team had Covid and he still never got in did he?

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38 minutes ago, IRR said:

I don't even care if i get banned at this point!!! STFU!!!!! You're a f'n clown who's on here all day everyday spewing your negativity / hate towards benning / the team with a agenda!! And damn near evey person sees it! GET A LIFE!!!!! 

 

And no i'm not a Benning / team defender with rose colored glasses! 

Time for some fresh air for all involved I think!

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20 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said:

I am sorry to hear you have had some personal issues. My intent is not to make your life worse although I am not sure how stating a fact does that. 

 

Having said that, you do have the ability yourself to block anyone whose posts you dont want to see so that your enjoyment of cdc is not impacted. Its not anyone else's responsibility to not post their opinions because soneone else doesn't like them.

 

I encourage you to block me. Its the best solution for you.

 

I hope things improve for you in your personal life and your cdc life.

Let me just say this...i will step aside from all of this and and say thank you for this post! I almost lost my 3 year old son! It was life altering and almost broke me! I know i've been really harsh, but this other stuff is exhausting! I just want to enjoy these other things, but it's hard when so many are just being negative etc. 

 

I hope others can realize there's more to hockey / canucks without experiencing what i have. Enjoy / appreciate other things than this forum and going at this team. 

 

I apologize for being so harsh, but it's hard seeing some of this on here when there's sooo much more to things. I hope that makes sense / you understand! 

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49 minutes ago, IRR said:

At Benning again i see! Who's fault is it really?! Look at the contracts given out that year and look at his previous year(s)...maybe look at the player who didn't live up to his contract (in a large way)!! But, you do you and keep attacking benning! And keeping ignoring me because you know you're wrong and a coward spewing garbage!! 

It is Benning that handed Loui his contract.

I don't know why you even bother defending that. 

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13 minutes ago, IRR said:

Thank you!! For sure...just sooo tired of this stuff, it's everywhere! Not just on here, but blanketing society! We can ignore it for sure, but there's no change without people standing up to it. 

 

I've gone though some really bad personal stuff lately and i just want to enjoy some other things that are important to me, but i have to hear these people everywhere...it sucks!  

 

As far as the team, i'm looking forward to next year and beyond! Thanks again!!

I know what you are going thru man and I have lost it on this forum because of it in the past and wish I hadn't. All I can say to you is much like myself when there are posters who annoy the $&!# out of you...use the ignore feature 

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4 minutes ago, Arrow 1983 said:

Tell me 31 d men better than Hughes

One can debate where he is as a #1 d man but one can't debate that he isn't a #1

 

He plays #1 mins is used like a  #1 d man offense starts and PP and produces like a #1 pass like a #1 sets players up like a #1 has a first pass like a #1 moves the puck from zones like a #1 . That doesn't scream 1 dimension it means he has 1 part of his game he needs to improve is it a big part yes but still 1 part and most offense #1s don't Excell at the defensive game any ways. Letang is still a #1 for Pittsburgh but isn't all that great at defense.

Most #1 d men aren't asked to play PK  some do but most don't.

1 dimension would be if he was a PP specialist but didn't produce 5 on 5 or did anything else and had a bad defensive game.

You sir don't know what 1 dimensional means.

Or you think that there is only 2 parts of being a defense man.

 

At the offensive end, Hughes is a #1 quality guy for sure. Unfortunately his defensive game is below average to terrible at this point and playing a lot of minutes certainly hasnt helped the team on the defensive end. A lot of his offense comes directly from taking risks that impact his defensive play.

 

There are a lot of better overall dmen than Hughes out there. He is only good at one end of the ice. Not as good offensivdly but not as bad defensively either.

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54 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said:

Very in depth argument against the facts I presented.

 

People just cant accept the fact that guaranteed contracts are just that, guaranteed. I personally think its a major cause of problems with the NHL but that doesnt change that it is what all sides agreed to in the CBA.

 

Until players who overachieve can terminate their contract to demand more money, expecting players who underachieve to terminate to lose out on money isnt really reasonable.

 

Teams have other remedies to use like burying a player like Eriksson. Not allowing the full cap hit to be wiped out by putting them in the AHL was supposed to encourage GM's not to be reactive idiots on Jul 1. It clearly hasnt had the intended effect.

Funny how you call things facts

The more you talk the more most realize you have no idea what you are talking.

You gave opinions you don't have facts

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1 minute ago, Canuckster86 said:

Time for some fresh air for all involved I think!

Or booze.  :towel:

Sit in the yard and have a cold one (or two) :frantic:

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1 minute ago, wallstreetamigo said:

At the offensive end, Hughes is a #1 quality guy for sure. Unfortunately his defensive game is below average to terrible at this point and playing a lot of minutes certainly hasnt helped the team on the defensive end. A lot of his offense comes directly from taking risks that impact his defensive play.

 

There are a lot of better overall dmen than Hughes out there. He is only good at one end of the ice. Not as good offensivdly but not as bad defensively either.

So you think there are only 2 sides of being a defense man.

He does everything else better than most and does one thing worse he is one of the best #1 defenseman in the league

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1 minute ago, Arrow 1983 said:

Funny how you call things facts

The more you talk the more most realize you have no idea what you are talking.

You gave opinions you don't have facts

Fact.  Quinn Hughes holds the record for most playoff points by a rookie D man.  Fact.  Quinn Hughes put up more points in his rookie season than Makar.  Opinion.  Quinn Hughes will be a better all around D than Makar.  

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4 minutes ago, Arrow 1983 said:

Funny how you call things facts

The more you talk the more most realize you have no idea what you are talking.

You gave opinions you don't have facts

So its an opinion not a fact that contracts in the NHL are guaranteed?

 

Hmm, you learn something new every day.

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3 minutes ago, Arrow 1983 said:

So you think there are only 2 sides of being a defense man.

He does everything else better than most and does one thing worse he is one of the best #1 defenseman in the league

So you suggest that every individual aspect of offensive play is a different category but dont apply that to the defensive side of the equation?

 

You will have to explain to me how Hughes is better than most at the following.

 

Is he physical? Can he clear the crease? Does he outmuscle players along the boards in puck battles? Does he use his strength to gain body position and box out players in front of the net? Does he recover effectively when he takes offensive risks? Is he positionally a good dman? Can he take hits to make plays to get pucks out?

 

The answer to all of those is No.

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5 minutes ago, Arrow 1983 said:

So you think there are only 2 sides of being a defense man.

He does everything else better than most and does one thing worse he is one of the best #1 defenseman in the league

I wouldn't bother, Arrow.  The poster doesn't seem to understand that, at 21 years old; with less than 130 Covid-19 hockey games under his belt, Quinn will undoubtedly improve all aspects of his game in the coming years.  Very few young dmen come into the league with nothing to work on or add to their game.

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2 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said:

So you suggest that every individual aspect of offensive play is a different category but dont apply that to the defensive side of the equation?

 

You will have to explain to me how Hughes is better than most at the following.

 

Is he physical? Can he clear the crease? Does he outmuscle players along the boards in puck battles? Does he use his strength to gain body position and box out players in front of the net? Does he recover effectively when he takes offensive risks? Is he positionally a good dman? Can he take hits to make plays to get pucks out?

 

The answer to all of those is No.

There are very few D man who do all these things, and play the key offensive role Quinn does.  Quinn is likely the best passer of the puck (from D) in the league.  Yes, there are guys, like Makar, who skate the puck up the ice and look great, but they are not to Quinn's level of reading the play and moving the puck.  The thing is a coach cannot teach the skills Quinn has, but a coach can teach defensive game skills like you describe.  

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1 minute ago, Alflives said:

There are very few D man who do all these things, and play the key offensive role Quinn does.  Quinn is likely the best passer of the puck (from D) in the league.  Yes, there are guys, like Makar, who skate the puck up the ice and look great, but they are not to Quinn's level of reading the play and moving the puck.  The thing is a coach cannot teach the skills Quinn has, but a coach can teach defensive game skills like you describe.  

And the Canucks just hired that coach. I think Shaw is going to have a profound effect on this team, and hopefully will be instrumental in bringing in a defenseman or two that will make this team a nasty piece of business. 

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