Provost Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 (edited) Hearing Benning speak always gives insight if you listen between the lines. When he mentions players by name you can also pay attention to the names he didn’t say. Based on his presser they think of Miller as part of the (young) core. He also explicitly talked about Rathbone. He mentioned trades, so who could we realistically trade? In terms of anything of value, all I can see are: Schmidt Juolevi DiPietro Picks (aside from this year’s 1st that he indicated they would likely keep) That isn’t a big list. The players that aren’t likely to get moved because of their value to us: Petterson, Hughes, Boeser, Miller, Horvat, Hoglander, Podkolzin, Demko, Motte The players who aren’t likely to get traded because they aren’t worth anything as you could get equivalent or better UFAs for the cap hit, or they have negative value and would cost us to move: Roussel, Beagle, Ferland, Myers, Eriksson, MacEwan, Pearson, Virtanen, Highmore, Holtby It seems like Virtanen and Holtby are easy decisions for buyouts. What are potential trade targets that could be had for that list of possibly available assets? Nothing that is likely going to fill many holes in the lineup. Edited May 23, 2021 by Provost 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 13 minutes ago, Provost said: Hearing Benning speak always gives insight if you listen between the lines. When he mentions players by name you can also pay attention to the names he didn’t say. Based on his presser they think of Miller as part of the (young) core. He also explicitly talked about Rathbone. He mentioned trades, so who could we realistically trade? In terms of anything of value, all I can see are: Schmidt Juolevi DiPietro Picks (aside from this year’s 1st that he indicated they would likely keep) That isn’t a big list. The players that aren’t likely to get moved because of their value to us: Petterson, Hughes, Boeser, Miller, Horvat, Hoglander, Podkolzin, Demko, Motte The players who aren’t likely to get traded because they aren’t worth anything because you could get equivalent or better UFAs for the cap hit, or they have negative value and would cost us to move: Roussel, Beagle, Ferland, Myers, Eriksson, MacEwan, Pearson, Virtanen, Highmore, Holtby It seems like Virtanen and Holtby are easy decisions for buyouts. What are potential trade targets that could be had for that list of possibly available assets? Nothing that is likely going to fill many holes in the lineup. Definitely not Miller, as Friedman reporting tonight that Miller wants to stay. But I think you have "the list". I'd probably shorten it to Schmidt and OJ, with OJ being the likeliest one to move imo as trade bait to take one of Roussel or Loui. We might be able to convince a team to take Loui 50% retained for OJ, maybe thats Seattle or NJ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 (edited) DiPietro played 4 games this season. Might as well keep him considering you’re going to be offered nothing of real value for him imho. OJ still is pulling wood splinters off his butt from the inaction he received this season. For the same reasons nobody will offer much for him. Keep him as a result. Edited May 23, 2021 by NewbieCanuckFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PunjabiCanucks Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 Lotto Line Poldkozin - Horvat - Hoglander Pearson ____ Motte ____ ____ ____ Adjust our Defence to get better and fill flaws we have. Improve PK/PP Holtby gets moved or gets taken by Seattle Beagle/ Baertschi/ Roussell can be bought out or moved. Ericksson can retire per say or be traded after he gets his bonus $ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted May 23, 2021 Author Share Posted May 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Jimmy McGill said: Definitely not Miller, as Friedman reporting tonight that Miller wants to stay. But I think you have "the list". I'd probably shorten it to Schmidt and OJ, with OJ being the likeliest one to move imo as trade bait to take one of Roussel or Loui. We might be able to convince a team to take Loui 50% retained for OJ, maybe thats Seattle or NJ? I think DiPietro has some value and is a bit of a luxury for a team like ours that has so many holes. Demko is our starter for 5 years. A team like Buffalo needs goaltending help, so they could find DiPietro interesting (though not a huge piece on his own). It would take all our “list” to land Reinhart for example... but that doesn’t help our most important needs. Does DiPietro and a 3rd get us an unhappy Ristolainen? Maybe that is in the ballpark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 If the Sabres need goalie help (and I have no idea who they have in their pipeline), I doubt a guy with but only some 40 or so professional games (AHL & NHL) is going to be the major piece in a trade. A sweetener maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, Provost said: I think DiPietro has some value and is a bit of a luxury for a team like ours that has so many holes. Demko is our starter for 5 years. A team like Buffalo needs goaltending help, so they could find DiPietro interesting (though not a huge piece on his own). It would take all our “list” to land Reinhart for example... but that doesn’t help our most important needs. Does DiPietro and a 3rd get us an unhappy Ristolainen? Maybe that is in the ballpark. Mikey to Buffalo seems like a deal that could go down during the draft, maybe on day 2. That seems like a fair price for Risto. I do think Jim shops Juolevi hard now that we've seen what Rathbone can do. I don't see why a rebuilding team wouldn't take him for some salary, Rous or 1/2 of Loui. OJ is an interesting case, its not like he struggled with his playing time, the kid was really unlucky with injuries. Maybe there's a sale to be made there. We have to clear cap to bring in Risto, so maybe OJ + Roussel or Roussel + Mikey? If we're going to lose Mikey I'd like the assurance of an extension with Risto as part of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkSave Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 Based off the list given and the players that could fetch us a decent return, whether it be pick, prospect or roster player-for me Nate Scmidt is the guy. I hope we keep him as he can play both sides and although he struggled this year, I think his style of game and the strengths of his game fit well with how Green wants to push the pace, quick ups , etc. I also hope we hang onto OJ. I know Edler wants to play next season based on his comments but aside from being a solid PK'er, he is too slow for today's game. In terms of who we target to bring on board. How about Erick Haula as a 3C? Or someone younger like Morgan Geekie from the Canes. Cedric Paquette will be a UFA this summer too. I would prefer any of these 3 over brining back Sutter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted May 23, 2021 Author Share Posted May 23, 2021 8 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: If the Sabres need goalie help (and I have no idea who they have in their pipeline), I doubt a guy with but only some 40 or so professional games (AHL & NHL) is going to be the major piece in a trade. A sweetener maybe. My post literally said that he wouldn’t be a major piece in a trade. He would add a pretty blue chip goalie prospect to their organization who is much closer to playing in the league than anyone they would be drafting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 I feel like I'm the only one that likes the pearson contract. Hes a very tradable asset imo. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 9 minutes ago, KirkSave said: Based off the list given and the players that could fetch us a decent return, whether it be pick, prospect or roster player-for me Nate Scmidt is the guy. I hope we keep him as he can play both sides and although he struggled this year, I think his style of game and the strengths of his game fit well with how Green wants to push the pace, quick ups , etc. I also hope we hang onto OJ. I know Edler wants to play next season based on his comments but aside from being a solid PK'er, he is too slow for today's game. In terms of who we target to bring on board. How about Erick Haula as a 3C? Or someone younger like Morgan Geekie from the Canes. Cedric Paquette will be a UFA this summer too. I would prefer any of these 3 over brining back Sutter. Paquette please. The last 2 tampa trades worked out well for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithers joe Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 emil pettersson as a free agent. c/lw. petey, petey and boeser; hoglander, miller and podkolzin; pearson, horvat and lind/lockwood; motte, graovac and highmore. trade out for those players. speed, toughness and offensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 35 minutes ago, Provost said: My post literally said that he wouldn’t be a major piece in a trade. He would add a pretty blue chip goalie prospect to their organization who is much closer to playing in the league than anyone they would be drafting. Yeah but I doubt an unproven goalie prospect who barely has his feet wet in the AHL/NHL plus a 3rd round pick is going to get you anything of note. A guy like Eddie Lack (who actually played many more NHL games (80+) with decent numbers got us only a 3rd round pick & 7th round pick. Just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 I don't like the idea of trading Dipi and OJ for table scraps. Wait a year (maybe 2 yrs for Dipi) and they will be worth a lot more. Trading Schmidt will get a pretty good return as most GMs won't consider him chopped liver because he played on a team that had a horrible season. I've always wanted to see him playing on his left side, but I like the versatility as well. If they don't re-sign Edler he is the guy to replace him. If you're looking for a big change, then you have to do something big. Trade Hughes to NJ for 21st overall, Severson(rd) and McLeod(c). They can use the 21st to move up in the draft if they want. Schmidt Severson Rathbone Hamonic Joulevi Myers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzipunch Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, higgyfan said: I don't like the idea of trading Dipi and OJ for table scraps. Wait a year (maybe 2 yrs for Dipi) and they will be worth a lot more. Trading Schmidt will get a pretty good return as most GMs won't consider him chopped liver because he played on a team that had a horrible season. I've always wanted to see him playing on his left side, but I like the versatility as well. If they don't re-sign Edler he is the guy to replace him. If you're looking for a big change, then you have to do something big. Trade Hughes to NJ for 21st overall, Severson(rd) and McLeod(c). They can use the 21st to move up in the draft if they want. Schmidt Severson Rathbone Hamonic Joulevi Myers Ew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 I am glad that this thread was created, as it gives me a chance to, talk about a couple of moves and really moving the needle....... #1. I was really against acquiring OEL, and objected to the cost, albeit, I really did not understand what the offer was, nor how we could fit him in. Having read a proposal on that trade and playing with Cap Friendly, it is doable and would be very smart. The guts of the proposed trade was.............. OEL ($8,250,000) for Schmidt ($5,950,000), Eriksson ($6,000,000), and Roussel ($3,000,000) This trade sheds $14,950,000 - $8,250,000 = $6,700,000 for the Canucks, but equally Arizona sheds $2,300,000 in the remaining years, after next. I am now of the mind that this would be a great trade for Vancouver. #2. The second trade I read about was an interesting one from a San Jose fan, who stated that Jones needs to be moved out. As he is owed $15,000,000 over the next 3 years. Now read the whole idea, before throwing this out. A news paper journalist in San Jose stated it would cost 2 -1st to move him out. My thought was a more improvised trade and buyout. Proposal as follows. Martin Jones @50%, 2021-1st, 2021 3rd, and a 2022-2nd for Vancouver's 2023-1st Now, if you believe Vancouver is doomed for the basement to eternity, then sure, Vancouver keeps it's 2023 1st. I believe we will be in the playoffs in 2 years. I also really pumps Vancouver's 2021 draft choices and let's us build closer to our current core. The cost to San Jose is really a 2nd and a 3rd, plus part of the buy out. Vancouver's Buyout on this is: $960,000, $1,200,000, $1,450,000, $830,000, $830,000, $830,000.......IMO, these are numbers we can handle. #3. This is a A ) or B ) move. We either trade Virtanen or Terminate him if he is found guilty. The Ride called Virtanen is over folks. The return, if not guilty will be a 2022-3rd. We just accept our fate and turn the page. Savings $2,550,000 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These moves clear $9,250,000 in extra Cap Savings. And adds OEL in addition, which up grades our LHD side. OEL will be good for at least 5 years. IMO, this trade would have been done this last summer, but Arizona was still thinking on it, and we ran out of time. Now, the reward for this is in this years, and next years drafts, in that we get additional picks from San Jose. San Jose will be down for a couple of years, and we all ready know what this years picks will be. Here is what we go into the draft with. San Jose 2021-1st (7th OA) Vancouver 2021-1st (9th OA) Vancouver 2021-2nd (41 OA) San Jose 2021-3rd (71 OA) Vancouver 2021-3rd (73 OA) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Pettersson 4 years @ $7,500,000 Hughes 4 years @ $6,500,000 Edler walks Harmonic 2 years @ $2,500,000 Wennberg 5 years @ $3,500,000 Coleman 3 years @ $3,500,000 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On a separate note................. I would like to get Soderstrom out of Arizona............................I would trade our 2022 1st (unprotected) for him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaninMex Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 2 hours ago, Provost said: Hearing Benning speak always gives insight if you listen between the lines. When he mentions players by name you can also pay attention to the names he didn’t say. Based on his presser they think of Miller as part of the (young) core. He also explicitly talked about Rathbone. He mentioned trades, so who could we realistically trade? In terms of anything of value, all I can see are: Schmidt Juolevi DiPietro Picks (aside from this year’s 1st that he indicated they would likely keep) That isn’t a big list. The players that aren’t likely to get moved because of their value to us: Petterson, Hughes, Boeser, Miller, Horvat, Hoglander, Podkolzin, Demko, Motte The players who aren’t likely to get traded because they aren’t worth anything as you could get equivalent or better UFAs for the cap hit, or they have negative value and would cost us to move: Roussel, Beagle, Ferland, Myers, Eriksson, MacEwan, Pearson, Virtanen, Highmore, Holtby It seems like Virtanen and Holtby are easy decisions for buyouts. What are potential trade targets that could be had for that list of possibly available assets? Nothing that is likely going to fill many holes in the lineup. You also have potential UFA's this year. I have no idea about that list. There are some in the bolded part that have value but add the UFA list to prove your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnBurner Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 3 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said: Definitely not Miller, as Friedman reporting tonight that Miller wants to stay. But I think you have "the list". I'd probably shorten it to Schmidt and OJ, with OJ being the likeliest one to move imo as trade bait to take one of Roussel or Loui. We might be able to convince a team to take Loui 50% retained for OJ, maybe thats Seattle or NJ? That's just a real bad take. Why are you giving up OJ in order to get rid of LE? That's insane. Loui's done after next year. Leave it at that and don't give up potentially great assets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuktravella Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 4 hours ago, PunjabiCanucks said: Lotto Line Poldkozin - Horvat - Hoglander Pearson ____ Motte ____ ____ ____ Adjust our Defence to get better and fill flaws we have. Improve PK/PP Holtby gets moved or gets taken by Seattle Beagle/ Baertschi/ Roussell can be bought out or moved. Ericksson can retire per say or be traded after he gets his bonus $ baertchi isnt signed anymore beagle is on injury reserve like ferland roussel will be bought out i think benning had an agreement that eriksson would retire after the bonus this yr 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuktravella Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 1 hour ago, janisahockeynut said: I am glad that this thread was created, as it gives me a chance to, talk about a couple of moves and really moving the needle....... #1. I was really against acquiring OEL, and objected to the cost, albeit, I really did not understand what the offer was, nor how we could fit him in. Having read a proposal on that trade and playing with Cap Friendly, it is doable and would be very smart. The guts of the proposed trade was.............. OEL ($8,250,000) for Schmidt ($5,950,000), Eriksson ($6,000,000), and Roussel ($3,000,000) This trade sheds $14,950,000 - $8,250,000 = $6,700,000 for the Canucks, but equally Arizona sheds $2,300,000 in the remaining years, after next. I am now of the mind that this would be a great trade for Vancouver. #2. The second trade I read about was an interesting one from a San Jose fan, who stated that Jones needs to be moved out. As he is owed $15,000,000 over the next 3 years. Now read the whole idea, before throwing this out. A news paper journalist in San Jose stated it would cost 2 -1st to move him out. My thought was a more improvised trade and buyout. Proposal as follows. Martin Jones @50%, 2021-1st, 2021 3rd, and a 2022-2nd for Vancouver's 2023-1st Now, if you believe Vancouver is doomed for the basement to eternity, then sure, Vancouver keeps it's 2023 1st. I believe we will be in the playoffs in 2 years. I also really pumps Vancouver's 2021 draft choices and let's us build closer to our current core. The cost to San Jose is really a 2nd and a 3rd, plus part of the buy out. Vancouver's Buyout on this is: $960,000, $1,200,000, $1,450,000, $830,000, $830,000, $830,000.......IMO, these are numbers we can handle. #3. This is a A ) or B ) move. We either trade Virtanen or Terminate him if he is found guilty. The Ride called Virtanen is over folks. The return, if not guilty will be a 2022-3rd. We just accept our fate and turn the page. Savings $2,550,000 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These moves clear $9,250,000 in extra Cap Savings. And adds OEL in addition, which up grades our LHD side. OEL will be good for at least 5 years. IMO, this trade would have been done this last summer, but Arizona was still thinking on it, and we ran out of time. Now, the reward for this is in this years, and next years drafts, in that we get additional picks from San Jose. San Jose will be down for a couple of years, and we all ready know what this years picks will be. Here is what we go into the draft with. San Jose 2021-1st (7th OA) Vancouver 2021-1st (9th OA) Vancouver 2021-2nd (41 OA) San Jose 2021-3rd (71 OA) Vancouver 2021-3rd (73 OA) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Pettersson 4 years @ $7,500,000 Hughes 4 years @ $6,500,000 Edler walks Harmonic 2 years @ $2,500,000 Wennberg 5 years @ $3,500,000 Coleman 3 years @ $3,500,000 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On a separate note................. I would like to get Soderstrom out of Arizona............................I would trade our 2022 1st (unprotected) for him why the hell would we want martin jones we have demko and holtby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Please sign in to comment
You will be able to leave a comment after signing in
Sign In Now