Canucks / LA Kings [Proposal]

[PunjabiCanucks]

If the Canucks aim to roll 3 lines effectively, we have 3 solid Centres in Petey/ Miller/ Horvat

We need to surround them with dynamic and elite wingers who can compliment their game.

 

Hoglander and Boeser have both done so and played great this past season. But we still need to surround the Big 3 with talent.

 

Pearson has been good for Horvat but scores in bursts.

Poldkozin should emerge as a top talent one day and help us get better.

 

With Virtanen never living up to potential, we could possibly try to move him to LA for none other then Pettersson's friend/ old teammate, Lias Andersson.

 

Andersson has taken time to develop, and he hates losing. He was traded for by LA for the 60th pick. Now assuming Virtanen's case in courts doesnt end up with big results. We may look to trade him with potentially a 3rd or 4th round pick to get Andersson.

 

Andersson- Petey- Boeser

___ Miller Poldkozin

Pearson Horvat Hoglander

___ ___ Motte

 

Now we could potentially role 3 lines and allow talent to be spread up and down the line up.

 

 

[Bertuzzipunch]

I mean does he deserve to be on our first line?  Honestly i dont know much about him. I mean if he earns it sure id trade anyone for virtanen right now lol 

[FaninMex]

51 minutes ago, PunjabiCanucks said:

If the Canucks aim to roll 3 lines effectively, we have 3 solid Centres in Petey/ Miller/ Horvat

We need to surround them with dynamic and elite wingers who can compliment their game.

 

Hoglander and Boeser have both done so and played great this past season. But we still need to surround the Big 3 with talent.

 

Pearson has been good for Horvat but scores in bursts.

Poldkozin should emerge as a top talent one day and help us get better.

 

With Virtanen never living up to potential, we could possibly try to move him to LA for none other then Pettersson's friend/ old teammate, Lias Andersson.

 

Andersson has taken time to develop, and he hates losing. He was traded for by LA for the 60th pick. Now assuming Virtanen's case in courts doesnt end up with big results. We may look to trade him with potentially a 3rd or 4th round pick to get Andersson.

 

Andersson- Petey- Boeser

___ Miller Poldkozin

Pearson Horvat Hoglander

___ ___ Motte

 

Now we could potentially role 3 lines and allow talent to be spread up and down the line up.

 

 

Why do they want JV and a 3rd for a guy you think can play on the first line?

[PunjabiCanucks]

He hasn't came out and produced yet.

 

Its for the potential he can have with Pettersson

[Bertuzzipunch]

1 minute ago, PunjabiCanucks said:

He hasn't came out and produced yet.

 

Its for the potential he can have with Pettersson

I see i see

[Phil_314]

If they would take Jake for Lias straight across then sure.  He's done nothing to warrant top-line responsibilities.

I'd be open to get a project (he's bad on draws at around 39% but is gritty so maybe we could turn him into a 4th line C down the road?)

Add some competition to Lind and others for candidacy for the 4th C. 

[BarnBurner]

1 hour ago, PunjabiCanucks said:

He hasn't came out and produced yet.

 

Its for the potential he can have with Pettersson

Yeah, but that's like saying, JV hasn't come out and produced yet, which he has, even though others are disappointed with his draft positioning, production, etc. At least JV has shown signs of being an NHL player and has gotten better year by year. 

 

Plus, at this point, no one is going to take Jake until, at least this mess is cleared up, or not. Another side note - Andersson was drafted 7th overall, not too far from where Jake was drafted. They both haven't lived up to their potential. 

[MrCanuck94]

I would definitely bring in Andersson. Lit up the AHL and did okay in the NHL this season.

 

Get him in the bottom 6 and let him work himself up. Could have some extra motivation with a good friend on the team. 

[stonecoldstevebernier]

I'd be in favour of taking on Andersson, he's still young and we need guys in our bottom six with offensive upside (even if its still untapped in his case). I don't think any team is taking Virtanen right now though. If he gets formally charged/convicted I imagine the team terminates his deal, and even if the case is dropped I suspect he's a strong buyout candidate which Benning hinted at during the presser - due to his age, they save way more on a potential buyout for him compared to Beagle, Roussel, etc.

 

I hate to say it cause I really like the kid and want him to succeed, but I wonder if Juolevi could be in play this summer. It feels like management/coaching likes Rathbone a lot more based on their usage late in the year. I'd personally love to see Juolevi get more of a shot but I could also see him being dealt for a similar player of Andersson's ilk, perhaps.

[John_Guest]

5 hours ago, PunjabiCanucks said:

If the Canucks aim to roll 3 lines effectively, we have 3 solid Centres in Petey/ Miller/ Horvat

We need to surround them with dynamic and elite wingers who can compliment their game.

 

Hoglander and Boeser have both done so and played great this past season. But we still need to surround the Big 3 with talent.

 

Pearson has been good for Horvat but scores in bursts.

Poldkozin should emerge as a top talent one day and help us get better.

 

With Virtanen never living up to potential, we could possibly try to move him to LA for none other then Pettersson's friend/ old teammate, Lias Andersson.

 

Andersson has taken time to develop, and he hates losing. He was traded for by LA for the 60th pick. Now assuming Virtanen's case in courts doesnt end up with big results. We may look to trade him with potentially a 3rd or 4th round pick to get Andersson.

 

Andersson- Petey- Boeser

___ Miller Poldkozin

Pearson Horvat Hoglander

___ ___ Motte

 

Now we could potentially role 3 lines and allow talent to be spread up and down the line up.

 

 

I want to go off the rails a bit.

I'm liking the idea of 3 scoring lines and finding a solution with LA. 

I've been reading stuff like this about LA for awhile now:

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There’s no denying that one of the Kings’ biggest needs is a dynamic, left-shot defenseman who can add offense to their blue line.

We have 2 of them.

Another thing that makes LA interesting is have you seen their prospect pool?

 

https://thepaintedlines.com/top-31-2021-nhl-prospect-team-rankings-1-the-los-angeles-kings/

 

At first, the thought of say, trading Quinn Hughes seems nuts but then you look at their prospect pool. Would you give up on your Lias Anderson idea for a couple of those prospects in a Quinn for at least 3 pretty much guaranteed scoring lines in the near future trade?

Hell LA might even add Anderson. Maybe even add Virtanen in a package. I wouldn't mind getting Madden back either.

Also I don't know if this means anything but they draft just before us, I think, Suppose Luke's available to them. Think that might add another layer of desirability to Quin as a King?

 

Edited May 23, 2021 by John_Guest

[stanleysteamersmyl]

It better be a massive overpayment if you are going to trade Quinn Hughes.  The Canucks never had a high scoring defenseman like him.  A defenseman who will score an average of 40-60 points a year.  A defenseman who can make a difference in just about every game.  Going to break all the Canucks D man records.  

List of NHL defenseman to win the rookie scoring title: 2019-20 - Quinn Hughes 1988-89 - Brian Leetch 1966-67 - Bobby Orr

 

 

[Patel Bure]

12 hours ago, PunjabiCanucks said:

He hasn't came out and produced yet.

 

Its for the potential he can have with Pettersson

It’s a good thought but I think LA would be more inclined to see what they have in Andersson rather than trading him away.....especially for a guy (Virtanen) who has completely plummeted over this past calendar year.    

[khay]

I would only make Miler a center if we can't find a suitable 3C in the UFA market/trade market.

 

Miller-Pety-Boeser has a lot of the great elements of an effective scoring line.

 

If Podkolzin comes through like Hoglander, 

 

Hoglander-Bo-Podkolzin is a two way line that can score at high rate.

 

I'd keep things simple and look for 3C to ease up two-way responsibilities of Bo's line. 

 

One thing I do like from your proposal is trading for a project player using JV. Getting Anderson and putting him on a third or fourth line might be worth a try -- but does JV even have any value as to bring us a decent project player?

 

[khay]

8 hours ago, John_Guest said:

I want to go off the rails a bit.

I'm liking the idea of 3 scoring lines and finding a solution with LA. 

I've been reading stuff like this about LA for awhile now:

We have 2 of them.

Another thing that makes LA interesting is have you seen their prospect pool?

 

https://thepaintedlines.com/top-31-2021-nhl-prospect-team-rankings-1-the-los-angeles-kings/

 

At first, the thought of say, trading Quinn Hughes seems nuts but then you look at their prospect pool. Would you give up on your Lias Anderson idea for a couple of those prospects in a Quinn for at least 3 pretty much guaranteed scoring lines in the near future trade?

Hell LA might even add Anderson. Maybe even add Virtanen in a package. I wouldn't mind getting Madden back either.

Also I don't know if this means anything but they draft just before us, I think, Suppose Luke's available to them. Think that might add another layer of desirability to Quin as a King?

 

You mean to get Quinton Byfield + couple of prospects (I'm assuming one D and Madden) for Hughes + Virtanen?

 

Byfield is appealing but he's still a prospect and I'm not sure if I'd give up our 60 point defenceman (he was on pace for 60+ points both seasons).

 

Hughes can and will score 80 points in the very near future. When did we ever have one of those? And if we give him up, will we ever get one?

 

I'd rather not disrupt the current make up of the team. If we trade Hughes for prospects, expect mass exodus. The players will be requesting trade.

[John_Guest]

I'm only saying the parts are there to fix either team's problem.

LA needs an Offensive defense man. We have Hughes, Rathbone and maybe even Rafferty as a hole-plugger.

 

We need some strength up front. 

LA has an embarrassment of riches in their prospect and near-prospect pool - Byfield, Alex Turcotte, Kaliyev, Gabe Vilardi, Tyler Madden.

 

Now it's true using Hughes for trade-bait is offering a lot just because you're drooling over what's on the other side, but you don't even have to go there. How about something like this if you just want to dip your toe in and not take too much risk:

 

Virtanen, Rafferty and Rathbone for Lias Andersson, Tobias Bjornfoot and  either Kaliyev or Turcotte. Maybe they or us throw in something extra if you think one is asking too much.

 

 

Edited May 23, 2021 by John_Guest

[Bertuzzipunch]

2 minutes ago, John_Guest said:

I'm only saying the parts are there to fix either teams problems.

LA needs an Offensive defense man. We have Hughes, Rathbone and maybe even Rafferty as a hole-plugger.

 

We need some strength up front. 

LA has an embarrassment of riches in their prospect and near-prospect pool - Byfield, Alex Turcotte, Kaliyev, Gabe Vilardi, Tyler Madden.

 

Now it's true using Hughes for trade-bait is offering a lot just because you're drooling over what's on the other side, but you don't even have to go there. How about something like this if you just want to dip your toe in and not take too much risk:

 

Virtanen, Rafferty and Rathbone for Lias Andersson, Tobias Bjornfoot and  either Kaliyev or Turcotte. Maybe they or us throw in something extra if you think one is asking too much.

 

 

Is drew D not an offensive defenseman anymore for them? Dude making 11 mill u think he would be

[John_Guest]

Sorry about that. I should have given you a link for the first quote I offered that spoke of LA's need.

https://thehockeywriters.com/kings-must-exercise-caution-2021-offseason/

 

Following the quote I posted he goes on to say:

Quote

 After Drew Doughty, there’s very little offensive contribution from the teams’ defense

He's not the first hockey pundit I've heard speak of that need beyond Doughty. Doughty's 31.

Edited May 23, 2021 by John_Guest

[Bertuzzipunch]

I wonder if theres a way to get alex turcotte outta LA somehow. Rathbone and a pick?

[VegasCanuck]

17 hours ago, PunjabiCanucks said:

If the Canucks aim to roll 3 lines effectively, we have 3 solid Centres in Petey/ Miller/ Horvat

We need to surround them with dynamic and elite wingers who can compliment their game.

 

Hoglander and Boeser have both done so and played great this past season. But we still need to surround the Big 3 with talent.

 

Pearson has been good for Horvat but scores in bursts.

Poldkozin should emerge as a top talent one day and help us get better.

 

With Virtanen never living up to potential, we could possibly try to move him to LA for none other then Pettersson's friend/ old teammate, Lias Andersson.

 

Andersson has taken time to develop, and he hates losing. He was traded for by LA for the 60th pick. Now assuming Virtanen's case in courts doesnt end up with big results. We may look to trade him with potentially a 3rd or 4th round pick to get Andersson.

 

Andersson- Petey- Boeser

___ Miller Poldkozin

Pearson Horvat Hoglander

___ ___ Motte

 

Now we could potentially role 3 lines and allow talent to be spread up and down the line up.

 

 

Before the accusations happened, if we could have traded Virtanen last summer for a 3rd round pick, he would have been gone.

 

Unless the lady who accused him, suddenly pops up and says, "Sorry, my bad, this is all a big misunderstanding", he is an untradeable player. We wouldn't get a 7th round pick for him, even if we offered to retain 50% of his contract. He is a toxic player at this point, no team is going to want to deal with the question marks around his character and the distractions to their team.

 

I will be shocked if Virtanen is playing anywhere better than the KHL, next season.

[smithers joe]

i don't know much about elias' brother, except he is a fa, a top scorer in sweden and he says, he will play in canada next season. i don't know how he would do one a line with petey and boeser but he could play on miller's line with podkolzin. hogs could play with petey and boeser or they could find someone better suited for petey. it would be great to give petey a physical winger.

i counted us having 13 4th line players. my choice is motte, graovac and highmore.  we also have boyd, hawryluk, bailey, gadjovich, macewen, sutter, vesey, michaelis, gadjovicn and maybe ferland. i didn't count lind or lockwood because i'm hoping they can move up the line up.  i also forgot louie, virtanen,   roussel and beagle.  more like 18. nice if we could move on from at least 7 of them.