J.I.A.H.N Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 (edited) Move #1 Vancouver should go after Colorado's Ryan Graves who will be the 4th Dman and will not be protected at the Expansion Draft Cost? Minni 2021-2nd + Jasek ? or a 3rd? Move #2 Vancouver should take Martin Jones @50% for a flip of our 2021-1st (we move up 2 spots), a 2022-2nd, and San Jose's 2021-3rd Jones is then kept as our cheap back Move #3 Schmidt to Ottawa for Ottawa's 2021-2nd, and San Jose 2021-2nd Move #4 Vancouver's 2023 1st for Dumba and 2021-2nd. Dumba is Minnesota's #4 Dman at the Expansion draft, and will loose him. This way, they gain. We replace Schmidt and gain a 2nd Move #5 Juolevi for Schnieder (NYR) This is a lateral move that I hate, but with the addition of Graves, we are heavy on the LHD and this move allows us to add a solid prospect on the RHD side. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ So where are we at after all this? LW C RW LHD RHD G LTIR Buyouts Penalty Traded/Void Miller Pettersson Boeser Graves Hughes Demko Ferland Eriksson Luongo Virtanen Pearson Horvat Hoglander Rathbone Dumba Jones Beagle Roussel Motte Lind Podkolzin Edler Schnieder Holtby Highmore McEwen Hawryluk Myers 11 M 14M 9M 8M 20M 7.5M 0 6..5M 3M Cap: 79 M -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Holtby Buyout Eriksson Buyout Roussel Buyout Year 1.......$500,000 Year 1......$4,000,000 Year 1.......$1,750,000 Year 2....$1,900,000 Year 2......$1,000,000 Year 2.........$600,000 So, with a Cap Budget of approx. $74,000,000, there will certainly be room for some UFA's, which will make us a much more competitive team. (7.5 Cap room). Certainly an up grade at 3rd line LW and C. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- But just as important, we get younger, and stronger. We stock our cupboards more for the future, ad allows us to grow. It also shows, exactly how silly it is, to say we are up against the cap, is hogwash! Every GM has the ability to move cap, and make moves. Is this going to happen? probably not, but a version of it will. But for fun, indulge me! ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ 2021 Draft................ 2021 1st 7th OA (flipped with San Jose) .....With this pick we take C/LW McTavish who has a great shot, a solid defensive game, and plays a rough, physical game 2021 2nd 39th OA (acquired from SJ) ..........With this pick we take Swedish LW William Stromgren 6'3" 175 lbs, who's speed, agility and size, make him a solid proto-typical winger 2021 2nd 41st OA (Vancouver).................... Now, that everyone has brought out pitchforks, we pick American RHD Scott Morrow 6'2" 198 lbs, fast, agile, offensive Dman 2021 2nd 42nd OA ( Ottawa).........................With this pick we take Canadian RHD Logan Mailloux 6'3" 214 lbs, Did not play hockey this year, and will drop...into our lap 2021-3rd 69th OA (San Jose).......................With this pick we take Canadian RHD Jack Bar 6'3" 192 lbs, Fiesty, Aggressive, fast skating, with offense, and sound Defense 2021 3rd 71st OA (Vancouver)......................With this pick we take Canadian G Tristian Lennox 6'3" 198 lbs. Athletic goalie, played OHL, and has not played in a year, and has dropped There is no one that would not say that this would be a great draft, and the Canucks have hedged their bets, with some outstanding picks. Walking away from the 1st round with McTavish, who could start as the 1st line LWer, and end up as the 2nd or 3rd line center sometime in his career, has Benning grinning from ear to ear................................................................................... you could hear Benning saying "I can't believe he fell to us!" Benning slept good that night! Well, if the first day made Benning happy, the second day was almost too much to take, and he could be seen leaving the draft with a sh#t house smile on his face, as it was too good to be true! With the 2022 draft 1 year away, you Benning could hear Benning also saying! "Let the season begin!" 2022-1st (Vancouver) 2022-2nd (San Jose) 2022-2nd (Vancouver) Oh yeah Baby! Edited June 4, 2021 by janisahockeynut 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted May 27, 2021 Author Share Posted May 27, 2021 (edited) Wrong darn forum.......sorry mods! Edited May 27, 2021 by janisahockeynut 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 No worries, got your back. I LOVE how much thought you put into this...haven't had time to read it all, but well done! No to moving Miller though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Goose Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 Busy off season! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzipunch Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 I like some of them a lot. Graves would be a nice one for sure. Theres our replacement for edler(thank god). Young and big which would fit in nicely. Definitely a yes for martin jones @50% and picks what a steal that would be. The schmidt and Dumba suggestions im not in board for. If we gonna get rid of schmidt and a 2023 1st id rather look for a better dman than dumba. Yeah a second from ottawa would be nice but for that package i believe we can get a better dman. Juolevi for Schnieder is fine by me. And we both know buffalo would never trade cozens for miller lol i see why its a good plan but I think id rather stick with miller for now. We dont have to worry about Bo for a long time. We can find his replacement later on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted May 27, 2021 Author Share Posted May 27, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bertuzzipunch said: I like some of them a lot. Graves would be a nice one for sure. Theres our replacement for edler(thank god). Young and big which would fit in nicely. Definitely a yes for martin jones @50% and picks what a steal that would be. The schmidt and Dumba suggestions im not in board for. If we gonna get rid of schmidt and a 2023 1st id rather look for a better dman than dumba. Yeah a second from ottawa would be nice but for that package i believe we can get a better dman. Juolevi for Schnieder is fine by me. And we both know buffalo would never trade cozens for miller lol i see why its a good plan but I think id rather stick with miller for now. We dont have to worry about Bo for a long time. We can find his replacement later on. I feel sorry for old Buffalo right now........ No one is going to give them value for Eichel.......not with his injury He's an injured, disgruntled elite center..............any GM thinking about has to explain to the owner that this injury is a one off.............it's not, and it would be stupid to say so. The guy would never work again, if he was wrong So my thought was to surround him with some veteran talent...aka Miller But the truth is they have Skinner and Oka what ever, just killing their cap So, IMO they are stuck. ........the best thing they could do is get Skinner going or trade him with assets........lots, and lots of assets Edited May 27, 2021 by janisahockeynut 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzipunch Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said: I feel sorry for old Buffalo right now........ No one is going to give them value for Eichel.......not with his injury He's an injured, disgruntled elite center..............any GM thinking about has to explain to the owner that this injury is a one off.............it's not, and it would be stupid to say so. The guy would never work again, if he was wrong So my thought was to surround him with some veteran talent...aka Miller But the truth is they have Skinner and Oka what ever, just killing their cap Si, IMO they are stuck. ........the best thing they could do is get Skinner going or trade him with assets........lots, and lots of assets Yeah i feel for buffalo fans as well. They did get some real good players thru the draft but absolutely nothing is working out. Maybe they go off the board this year and take the goalie wallstead early this time around. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted May 27, 2021 Author Share Posted May 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Bertuzzipunch said: Yeah i feel for buffalo fans as well. They did get some real good players thru the draft but absolutely nothing is working out. Maybe they go off the board this year and take the goalie wallstead early this time around. Why? They would be way better off, Trading Eichel and Reinhart, with Skinner and Okposo and cleaning house Keep Dahlin and Cozens, and their 1st and 2nd and starting from scratch. Skinner has 6 more years at $9,000,000 Okposo has 2 more years at $6,000,000 Eichel and Skinner for 2023 - 1st, and futures Reinhart and Okposo for 2023 - 1st They stay at the bottom for 3 years, with a low cap, then come out with the possibility of Wright and one on Bedard, and that Russian.....or darn close But they have to get someone in there to manage properly................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 7 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said: Why? They would be way better off, Trading Eichel and Reinhart, with Skinner and Okposo and cleaning house Keep Dahlin and Cozens, and their 1st and 2nd and starting from scratch. Skinner has 6 more years at $9,000,000 Okposo has 2 more years at $6,000,000 Eichel and Skinner for 2023 - 1st, and futures Reinhart and Okposo for 2023 - 1st They stay at the bottom for 3 years, with a low cap, then come out with the possibility of Wright and one on Bedard, and that Russian.....or darn close But they have to get someone in there to manage properly................ If BUF can stomach another rebuild. That would be the best approach. Ditto on clearing out management. Start all fresh. Grab as much 1st (especially 2023) and 2nd in the next 2-3 years to speed up the rebuild. Get B prospects (from trading other vets) as well to add depth to the organization. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzipunch Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 (edited) 21 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said: Why? They would be way better off, Trading Eichel and Reinhart, with Skinner and Okposo and cleaning house Keep Dahlin and Cozens, and their 1st and 2nd and starting from scratch. Skinner has 6 more years at $9,000,000 Okposo has 2 more years at $6,000,000 Eichel and Skinner for 2023 - 1st, and futures Reinhart and Okposo for 2023 - 1st They stay at the bottom for 3 years, with a low cap, then come out with the possibility of Wright and one on Bedard, and that Russian.....or darn close But they have to get someone in there to manage properly................ Who can afford it tho or even want it if you ask me. Eichel and skinner is adding 19 mill in cap and skinner has been so awful while eichel who knows whats going on with that neck. That will be a hard sell and adding okoposo is pretty much like adding a luoi erikkson lol makes sense to build around cozens and dahlen but i they have no chance dumping skinner and okoposo on anyone. Edited May 27, 2021 by Bertuzzipunch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted May 27, 2021 Author Share Posted May 27, 2021 17 minutes ago, Bertuzzipunch said: Who can afford it tho or even want it if you ask me. Eichel and skinner is adding 19 mill in cap and skinner has been so awful while eichel who knows whats going on with that neck. That will be a hard sell and adding okoposo is pretty much like adding a luoi erikkson lol makes sense to build around cozens and dahlen but i they have no chance dumping skinner and okoposo on anyone. Funny story I made a proposal regarding getting rid of Skinner, and they laughed me out 6 months ago....said he was a good winger, and just wasn't getting a chance on the 1st line....lol Well we know how that turned out So I made a proposal........3 way........Skinner @50%, Reinhart, 2021 1st, a 2nd and Ristolainen.........it was a high cost because even at a buyout 50% was valued at 20 million they threw pitch forks at me....lol But what is 20 million worth?......Eichel, and you would be bloody lucky to get a first back, IMO....so that's the end of that....lol It's Buffalo....lol.......The Bills were losers for ever, so good luck with that, I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outsiders Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 I'd also look to take Jost from COL. He played PK this year and played tough minutes. He has really learned the defensive side of the game and is fast and skilled. Exactly what Benning said he is after. Speed and skill. Mason Appleton is another player I'd look for. Looks like the odd man out in WPG ED process. He's a RW with speed and skill and can put up decent points, I think there is more to give still with him maybe even playing into the top6. He played on the 3rd line with Lowry in a shutdown role and did a great job against EDM. Again, Benning said speed and skill. I'd look to target these players as they fit with our core. Jost is 23 I believe and Appleton is 25. No more UFA's PLEASE. For Jost I'd give up a second and a prospect (one they don't have to protect) Appleton I'd also give up a second rounder for. Difference is yes you are giving up 2nd round picks but these are young, established NHL players with UPSIDE. You aren't giving up a 2nd rounder for Linden Vey or a rental (Toffoli). These players will be part of the core going forward. Id love a third line of Hoglander-Jost-Appleton Speed, skill, and all can play defense 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzipunch Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 6 hours ago, Outsiders said: I'd also look to take Jost from COL. He played PK this year and played tough minutes. He has really learned the defensive side of the game and is fast and skilled. Exactly what Benning said he is after. Speed and skill. Mason Appleton is another player I'd look for. Looks like the odd man out in WPG ED process. He's a RW with speed and skill and can put up decent points, I think there is more to give still with him maybe even playing into the top6. He played on the 3rd line with Lowry in a shutdown role and did a great job against EDM. Again, Benning said speed and skill. I'd look to target these players as they fit with our core. Jost is 23 I believe and Appleton is 25. No more UFA's PLEASE. For Jost I'd give up a second and a prospect (one they don't have to protect) Appleton I'd also give up a second rounder for. Difference is yes you are giving up 2nd round picks but these are young, established NHL players with UPSIDE. You aren't giving up a 2nd rounder for Linden Vey or a rental (Toffoli). These players will be part of the core going forward. Id love a third line of Hoglander-Jost-Appleton Speed, skill, and all can play defense That sounds real good to me. I actually made a appleton thread the other day and would be ecstatic if JB could find a way to get him. I feel like the jets are really high on him and the kid has a killer contract for now so it will be hard to get him. Jost is interesting. Was a high draft pick for them but im pretty sure hes another one that would be difficult to acquire. Not getting the points they were probably hoping out of him but when u stuck on a team like colorado its not surprising. 2 great suggestions imo but id keep hoglander with Bo and he will only get better being on that line and have podkolzin with appleton and jost. Podz is known for his 2 way game so it might even be a better fit. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzipunch Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 8 hours ago, janisahockeynut said: Funny story I made a proposal regarding getting rid of Skinner, and they laughed me out 6 months ago....said he was a good winger, and just wasn't getting a chance on the 1st line....lol Well we know how that turned out So I made a proposal........3 way........Skinner @50%, Reinhart, 2021 1st, a 2nd and Ristolainen.........it was a high cost because even at a buyout 50% was valued at 20 million they threw pitch forks at me....lol But what is 20 million worth?......Eichel, and you would be bloody lucky to get a first back, IMO....so that's the end of that....lol It's Buffalo....lol.......The Bills were losers for ever, so good luck with that, I guess Question about jones. If SJ retains @50% does that mean we split the cap hit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcam Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 Mason Appleton 24, 6'2 speed will put up 38 -45 points plays 200 foot game awesome 2nd or 3rd line winger.. Really have to chase this player.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patel Bure Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 1) Yes to the Graves and Schneider deals! (Although I doubt NYR does this). 2) Keep both Miller and Schmidt as their relatively low cap hits and veteran presence will come in extremely handy in 22-23. Trust me on this. 3) I think the Canucks are banking on Dipietro as their back up of the future. It’s why Ian Clark worked so closely and intensely with Dipietro this season. 4) Dumba would likely cost us the 2021 1st + Canucks will be looking to join the elite ranks starting in 22-23 and so moving Miller and/or Schmidt goes against that. These two players were brought in for this specific reason. Don’t let the media fool you. This was the plan all along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 Its official. Janis should become AGM to JB. Your brain is large and sees a lot of macro and micro variables. As the great Captian James Tibberous Kirk used to say - "Make it So". This is one heck of a mind f!ck. My favourite part happens to be the Miller trade. Well done. Not crazy about Dumba, but like the extra picks and don't feel many of these trades are out of line. Dumba would help out R side. A little. The picks could help a lot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 Back to reality. I'd do the Miller trade in a second. Fits our cores age and also makes sense for BUFF, they need Miller now more then we do. Cozens and Podz ... what we need. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzipunch Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, IBatch said: Its official. Janis should become AGM to JB. Your brain is large and sees a lot of macro and micro variables. As the great Captian James Tibberous Kirk used to say - "Make it So". This is one heck of a mind f!ck. My favourite part happens to be the Miller trade. Well done. Not crazy about Dumba, but like the extra picks and don't feel many of these trades are out of line. Dumba would help out R side. A little. The picks could help a lot. I agree janis for GM 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 5 hours ago, Bertuzzipunch said: Jost is interesting. Was a high draft pick for them but im pretty sure hes another one that would be difficult to acquire. Not getting the points they were probably hoping out of him but when u stuck on a team like colorado its not surprising. I think Colorado will stick with the younger cheaper guys in Jost and Newhook and could very well look to deal Kadri prior to the expansion draft. I would not be opposed to Kadri, lots of untimely suspensions on his part but for under 5m to provide decent scoring might be worth it if he comes cheap. Would allow us to have JT, Bo and Kadri as C's keeping lanky Pete on the wing. Kadri has 1 year left at 4.5m with a M-NTC, could flip him next deadline with retention for likely a better return than what we may have to give up for him this off season. Petey Miller Boeser Hoglander Horvat Podkolzin Pearson Kadri Lind/Motte/Roussel Not a bad top 9 next season above, would need to pay a team to take a contract off our hands to make it work or we do multiple buyouts which seems very unlikely to me as it just gives us more dead cap spread over more seasons 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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