Attn..The Patience-Queue Starts Here

[Nuxfanabroad]

A few random musings, & I'll get to the gist.

 

Lots of things went wrong this 56 gamer. No prob..a good time to pocket another nice pick or two.

I hope the twins get into our FO. Devoted, intelligent & trustworthy. Great for the org; & reinforces we were correct to have them play out their careers/stay in Van-city.

 

IF there's no PO's next season? Are you okay with this, as a Canucks fan?

I would be, provided the bulk of our youth keep showing progress. If there are reasons like an insane sched, Covid or mass injuries, I'll understand.

Now should there be a lack of tangible, measurable progress, with no apparent, outside contributing factors, I'd prob be open to JB moving on.

 

But in general, I'm patient with this bunch(realizing their youth), & quite optimistic for the coming decade of Canucks hockey. I'd like to see about a decade of JB at the podium(2014-2024) then hopefully the baton will be handed off to the twins, & perhaps 1 or 2 other exp'd fellows, who are trusted in the Van/BC puck-scene.

 

Get in line if you're a patient Nucks-backer. If it's GOTTA' be Hell-on-wheels next yr, then perhaps this thread ain't for you?..

[Provost]

If there was a consistent direction that had been building over the years towards an identity I would be fine to see it continue.

 

Unfortunately it has largely been reactionary moves since day 1.

 

We want to compete quickly... so let’s sign some veterans... wait we want to get younger... wait we need some veterans to insulate the kids... we will be good in a couple of years... we need some size and toughness... no wait, we need more speed and skill... players need to earn their ice time.... well not these particular guys they get gifted spots... We want to play a fast, relentless style... hey look at all these guys I just signed that have none of those attributes but are good character guys... I know every couple of years I said we would be good in a couple of years, this time I really mean it... wait somehow we have too many veterans so let’s let these good character guys go who are well respected in the room... we need to get younger and faster... so watch me trade a bunch of good draft picks and prospects for instant gratification... wait now we need more veterans again... we will be good in a couple of years... fans need to be patient because these things take time, when I kept saying we could do it in a couple of years, “a couple” really meant 9 years or so... we just need more speed skill, depth, and prospects and then a bunch of new cheaper veterans and all will be good!

Edited May 29, 2021 by Provost

[tas]

I've been on this ride for 30 years and it's a lot more enjoyable when you're not kicking and screaming the entire time. 

 

it'll take the time that it takes, I'll be here watching either way. 

[spook007]

Sign me up Nuxfan... I'm prepared to wait, if thats what it takes...

Edited May 29, 2021 by spook007

[JM_]

Patience has been lost in NHL teams since the arrival of McDavid, Nux. Now everyone expects NHL ready players right out of the draft or they're "busts" 

 

If Jim can break his pattern of UFA mistakes, we'll be in good shape. There's a lot to like and being patient is easy when you enjoy watching young players develop. If you want instant success, well then thats going to be hard for you. Maybe we'll get some jumping ship to Seattle. 

 

It comes down to whether or not you're the kind of person that sees the donut or the hole. 

[Nuxfanabroad]

1 minute ago, Jimmy McGill said:

Patience has been lost in NHL teams since the arrival of McDavid, Nux. Now everyone expects NHL ready players right out of the draft or they're "busts" 

 

If Jim can break his pattern of UFA mistakes, we'll be in good shape. There's a lot to like and being patient is easy when you enjoy watching young players develop. If you want instant success, well then thats going to be hard for you. Maybe we'll get some jumping ship to Seattle. 

 

It comes down to whether or not you're the kind of person that sees the donut or the hole. 

Largely agree..but an alternative theory is one should have a busy day-to-day. Work, kids, hobbies, romance & plenty of tiddly winks, etc...

 

Suspect a lot of the most overbearing gripers simply have too much time on their hands. Lends itself to angrily ruminating, & plenty of other debilitating habits.

[mikeyman109]

I have watched every season of this franchise, and i think they will be better next season. Get back to the regular divisions, get Petey back healthy, keep playing as many of the younger players as we can in pressure spots and we should se improvement. I think we have a decent forward group. Miller Petterson, Boeser, Horvat, Pearson, and add in either Hoglander, Podkolzin,etc.  any number of the young players can fit there. Some extra speed would be nice but really the concern should be on the back end. Its not strong enough based on what we saw this year and I kn ow this year wasnt a great sample. The bottom six should look a lot different this coming October, I think Sutter Beagle Roussell can all be replaced by someone cheaper. Boyd, Hawryluk, Highmore, Macewan,Motte, Graovac, Vesey and any of the other AHL players could fill in here. If we spend money on the bottom six now it will take away from what we have to assemble a better roster up front.

 

I like what Hughes does but we play him too much and in tight games he is not a shut down guy. He needs to learn to use his skills to shut down the other team as much as score. Skating the puck out is great but make sure you either get it deep or pass to someone else and head back to defend.

Edler may be done but if he would come back in a reduced role for less money, sigh prolly not going to happen, it would be a good spot for him.

Schmidt disappointed me this season, i really thought he would fit better with the group.Maybe it was a one off year but he was my biggest disappointment on the team next to Jake.

Hamonic wasnt a star either. injuries and time away didnt help him show enough for me.

Myers was good, not great but he was solid in what he was asked to do.
Where i have hope is Rathbone and Juolevi. I thought both played good when given the chance to play. Olli should have played every game once they were eliminated, im sure there was some reason they couldnt call him up but Green doesnt seem to like the young player. I think Rathbone has a future. If they are going to sign anything from the free agent market i would look at another D man.I also hope thats where we land in the draft also. I am not huge on the other Hughes brother but where we draft he might be there.

 Demko in net is solid as well, I dont know that I would be excited to see Holtby back but perhaps he can figure out 20 games or so.

 

In general we will see what happens at the draft, see what JB can do with Jake or another trade and what it takes to sign Petey and Hughes. get them under contract for a reasonable amount, and lets see what is left to look elsewhere. It can be a greatly improved team it really depends on the $$$

 

Edit I have since learned Juolevi had Covid and lost a lot of weight from it, this may be the reason rather than Green not liking his play, my bad

 

 

 

Edited May 29, 2021 by mikeyman109

[Zhukini]

I mean hey some people just want to watch the Canucks. They have families and take their little ones to the games just as an outing, that’s totally fine and a large part of the fan base. They’ll watch whatever team is on the ice whenever.

 

There’s a good chance this core doesn’t win the cup at all. The most dominant team we ever had didn’t. 
 

You need almost as much luck as you do skill on your team or you’d see dynasties every decade. 
 

I’d say it’s more about being accepting than being patient.

[BPA]

If Canucks miss the PO, then my wife is happy so I'm happy.  If the Canucks make the PO, then I'm happy.  Win win. 

 

Honestly, would rather build a perennial contender via good drafting.  Keeps salary cap down by introducing good cheap ELC prospects into the line up.  Add TDL acquisition to go deep and costs of 2nd or 3rds (don't touch 1sts).  Trade out vets when priced out of internal cap structure. But that is just my opinion. 

 

In any case, I'm patient enough.  Just wish they fix the PP.  So annoying seeing them trying to set up the perfect play.

 

[JM_]

44 minutes ago, Nuxfanabroad said:

Largely agree..but an alternative theory is one should have a busy day-to-day. Work, kids, hobbies, romance & plenty of tiddly winks, etc...

 

Suspect a lot of the most overbearing gripers simply have too much time on their hands. Lends itself to angrily ruminating, & plenty of other debilitating habits.

I think it has more to do with having an anger dump. You can't kick your dog or beat your spouse anymore so the next best thing is to go full anger rage over Benning. 

[JM_]

19 minutes ago, Zhukini said:

I mean hey some people just want to watch the Canucks. They have families and take their little ones to the games just as an outing, that’s totally fine and a large part of the fan base. They’ll watch whatever team is on the ice whenever.

 

There’s a good chance this core doesn’t win the cup at all. The most dominant team we ever had didn’t. 
 

You need almost as much luck as you do skill on your team or you’d see dynasties every decade. 
 

I’d say it’s more about being accepting than being patient.

^ this. If we had won in 2011, would you be more or less interested in Petey or Podkolzin? or the next core 10 years from now? I like the process, if we ever do win all thats a bonus and no matter what the team a rare event. 

[204CanucksFan]

51 minutes ago, mikeyman109 said:

Olli should have played every game once they were eliminated, im sure there was some reason they couldnt call him up but Green doesnt seem to like the young player.

 

 

I agree with almost everything you have to say except after watching the Benning interview on Donnie and Dhali that bertuzzipunch posted I can understand why Juolevi wasn't played that much down the stretch even after we had been eliminated. Benning stated that Olli was one of the hardest hit players during the Covid outbreak. He lost a considerable amount of strength and conditioning and also dropped about 15 lbs which would have been extremely difficult to come back from and remain competitive on a night after night basis, especially with our extremely compacted post Covid schedule. I'm just speculating on this part but I expect the lack of playing time had less to do with Green not liking the player (which is still absolutely possible) and more to do with Green observing him in practice and talking to the player about when he felt good enough enough be back in game shape. 

 

I have a 35 year old coworker who spent 12 days in a medically induced coma on a ventilator after getting Covid and having his lungs completely shut down. The hardest part for him now is that he has to re-learn how to do many tasks and can only manage to walk about 10 to 15 steps before becoming completely winded and needing an hour long break to regain his breath. Obviously Olli was nowhere near that sick but it does provide some insight into why he may not of gotten so much game time after being sick.

 

Edit: I just saw your edit lol.

Edited May 29, 2021 by 204CanucksFan
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[kanucks25]

Just would like to point out here that being anti-Benning doesn't automatically = impatience.

 

That is all.

[Disgruntler]

To be honest, I think JB’s strategy has been solid. It’s the execution that leaves a lot of things to be desired. Some smart moves this summer and we’re in it again.

[Petey_BOI]

sir, did you want to start a Management Fight thread? cause this is how you start one.

[Dats hockey]

I will forever attribute this season to the worst schedule in sports history. 

[Warhippy]

27 minutes ago, Disgruntler said:

To be honest, I think JB’s strategy has been solid. It’s the execution that leaves a lot of things to be desired. Some smart moves this summer and we’re in it again.

I'd agree.  Building has been good.  The "assets" in youth he's let go haven't exactly been worth whinging over in the long term.

 

But his execution is frightful.  Gotta shed a bunch of cap and dead space without giving up assets now and build smartly towards a genuine future with depth or it's all pointless

 

We went in to last season and this season thinking we had done well in regards to depth but the truth is we were all rushing it.  A bunch of our younger prospects were barely ready for the AHL, some of our AHL prospects weren't ready for the big show, and the ones that are/were somehow got stymied by these dead space contracts that needed a roster spot

 

Keep building that foundation 

[204CanucksFan]

23 minutes ago, Dats hockey said:

I will forever attribute this season to the worst schedule in sports history. 

Exactly. This season was an anomaly not the norm. 56 games in 102 days is unheard of and a little unreasonable in pro hockey. But sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.

[appleboy]

3 hours ago, Nuxfanabroad said:

A few random musings, & I'll get to the gist.

 

Lots of things went wrong this 56 gamer. No prob..a good time to pocket another nice pick or two.

I hope the twins get into our FO. Devoted, intelligent & trustworthy. Great for the org; & reinforces we were correct to have them play out their careers/stay in Van-city.

 

IF there's no PO's next season? Are you okay with this, as a Canucks fan?

I would be, provided the bulk of our youth keep showing progress. If there are reasons like an insane sched, Covid or mass injuries, I'll understand.

Now should there be a lack of tangible, measurable progress, with no apparent, outside contributing factors, I'd prob be open to JB moving on.

 

But in general, I'm patient with this bunch(realizing their youth), & quite optimistic for the coming decade of Canucks hockey. I'd like to see about a decade of JB at the podium(2014-2024) then hopefully the baton will be handed off to the twins, & perhaps 1 or 2 other exp'd fellows, who are trusted in the Van/BC puck-scene.

 

Get in line if you're a patient Nucks-backer. If it's GOTTA' be Hell-on-wheels next yr, then perhaps this thread ain't for you?..

A patient approach. Wow, wouldn't that be nice. Stay the coarse for next year. Fill as many holes internally as possible. Only sign low cost UFA's on one or at the most two year deal. Just to fill a couple of holes. Keep our draft picks.

 

I worry about the aggressive talk. We don't have much cap space and even with buy outs there won't be enough to get Aggressive.  That means they may not won't to wait for players to develop. So they might look to make trades that involve our first or second round picks. These sort of deals can be ok but unless you are making a deal for very young players you are using a pick to acquire an asset that may only be with your organization for a few years. Versus 10 to 15 years. However there is potential for them to land a younger asset for a pick this year. May be able to fleece someone because of the ED. 

[HockeyHarry]

Im patient as i see the young core coming together. Its Coming a continuous playoff team is coming. 
 

this offseason, i hope Jimbo is able to rid some cap and rid the passenger vets. Sign the young guys and have a Great Draft which im super excited for .  
 

My concern is the big moves that Jimbo promises this offseason. He promises them every year to please the media and fans. But his offseason moves are the problem signing Vet overpriced passengers. As we all know.... so this offseason hes dug himself into a hole. Big Big Moves promised. Plz Jimbo keep the Cap under control first and foremost... next season we are a playoff team and shouldn’t expect a unrealistic Cap team by this offseason Jimbo big moves.

 

I believe in this core...and foresee great Canucks hockey on the horizon,...but Patients is need...to win the Cup everything need to aline. Luck is needed, no injuries etc.

 

Go Canucks Go