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41 minutes ago, stawns said:

at this point Petey isn't good enough to be a full time NHL cman, we might have to accept that he's going to be a winger in this league

For some time now it's surprised me that there isn't more of a consensus on this opinion.

I can't talk to the finer details of whats demanded of a centre but it seems EP40 just isn't

good enough at face-offs. Will his build ever allow him to have success and muck it up the dot game after game? 

Beagle, Bo and JT are outstanding in the dot, look at how they are built.

What has Petey's FO percentage wins been?

 

Not to distract from Pod's thread but it's so many times that we project lines and yet I've always thought JT was/is the lotto line centre.

 

So looking forward to VP's arrival.  Hmmm......now this fellows built like a centre.  

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1 minute ago, Cat Man said:

For some time now it's surprised me that there isn't more of a consensus on this opinion.

I can't talk to the finer details of whats demanded of a centre but it seems EP40 just isn't

good enough at face-offs. Will his build ever allow him to have success and muck it up the dot game after game? 

Beagle, Bo and JT are outstanding in the dot, look at how they are built.

What has Petey's FO percentage wins been?

 

Not to distract from Pod's thread but it's so many times that we project lines and yet I've always thought JT was/is the lotto line centre.

 

So looking forward to VP's arrival.  Hmmm......now this fellows built like a centre.  

Sutter is equally proficient on f/O's and I expect he'll be back as well.  

 

Faceoffs are definitely the Achilles heel keeping Petey from being an NHL centreman.  I do think he's defensively aware enough to play the position, though if he's a top 6 cman he's going to be facing some big, strong defensively proficient cman game in and hand out.  That wears on a player who is undersized.

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Just now, stawns said:

Sutter is equally proficient on f/O's and I expect he'll be back as well.  

 

Faceoffs are definitely the Achilles heel keeping Petey from being an NHL centreman.  I do think he's defensively aware enough to play the position, though if he's a top 6 cman he's going to be facing some big, strong defensively proficient cman game in and hand out.  That wears on a player who is undersized.

Good point about Sutter. He's not heavy but he's skillfull at it.

With EP40 it's seems like strapping a plough harness on a race horse::D

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1 hour ago, debluvscanucks said:

I recall that his coach recently told him to "be more selfish" and take the shot himself rather than trying to set others up.   I recall them mentioning that in the tournament I watched.

That’s true. He’s very unselfish, when it comes to scoring chances, and often looks to setup others close to the net, instead of looking to finish everything himself.

 

This was frustrating, at times, when you’d see Pod setup teammates for gilt-edged scoring chances, often pure tap-ins, and they’d flub them. His linemates robbed him of countless primary assists, both during tournaments, and his league play in Russia. It almost became a bad joke at times.

 

What I’d remind myself when that happened was that nearly any decent NHL player would easily deposit those chances into the back of the net. 
 

In the previous post, where I mentioned “tunnel vision,” I was more referring to rush attempts where he’d sometimes hold the puck too long between the neutral zone and the high offensive zone, and try to create everything by himself, instead of using linemates, to gain entry and get setup. 
 

I wouldn’t necessarily say he was being selfish, but maybe just trying to beat one too many defenders, when a timely pass, or a simple give and go, might have led to more successful scoring opportunities.

 

But when he gets into the danger areas, below the dots and closer to the net, his vision is very high level, and his playmaking skills really become noticeable.

 

However, he can sometimes look to make the perfect play (almost like a bit of Sedinery), and make the pass for the tap-in, instead of just taking the shot.

 

Probably good advice from his coaches when they told him to shoot more. Not so much because his passing plays were bad choices, but just that his linemates weren’t finishing them.
 

He also has a very good shot, and it wouldn’t hurt for him to use it more often.

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3 hours ago, IBatch said:

Think they round up.   192 cm is 6'3" .59 inches.   193 is basically 6'4" on the dot minus one hair width lol.   At any rate if true then he will look a lot like Linden out there ... been awhile since we've had a skilled forward that size hasn't it? 

Yeah man that’s what I mean, so excited to see his transition. 
 

Bare bones, we get a smooth skating big body that plays and aggressive and skilled game.

 

I was at that draft and was relieved to see us pick him up after he dropped to us. Ranked so high mid term. 

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4 minutes ago, Convincing John said:

I’m going to be completely honest here, I’ve watched Podz play a fair amount and I just don’t see the finish needed to become a top 6 forward. Regardless, he does everything else amazing and he will be a big time playoff performer. 

I think a lot of people would be OK with that. If he's put with our skill guys tho I can see him racking up a lot of assists. 

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2 minutes ago, Johnny Torts said:

Yeah man that’s what I mean, so excited to see his transition. 
 

Bare bones, we get a smooth skating big body that plays and aggressive and skilled game.

 

I was at that draft and was relieved to see us pick him up after he dropped to us. Ranked so high mid term. 

I had my doubts with all three of BB, EP and QHs .... draft plus one even.    Hope this doesn't mean i'm going to regret saying this, but i loved the Podz pick more then anyone JBs made so far.   Miller is fine.  Hogs is too really a little tank.   Horvat is fine as well.  But we simply do not have a Blake Wheeler or Patches or Ovi - as in a big big body that can do some damage whether they have the puck or not.   Pearson maybe too he drives to the net at least but board work isn't that good - sake with TT for that matter.   Podz to me is like Motte on steroids.    With more skills.   IF he comes in and gets a top six spot OR the team goes with three scoring lines and he plays with Miller .... it is like the cherry on top for our forward group.   At his floor is third line PK, his ceiling is i unknown but very high.   Scouts love him because when he played against the best of his peer group he didn't disappoint, was both a star and a leader and his play away from the puck is excellent.    Hope EP gives him some pointers on wanted to be the best in the world.    

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2 hours ago, combover said:

Right, thats kinda what I was saying.

so the team needs to burn a year of an entry level player for ten games to protect him from the gms stupidity and lack of foresight. Better keep him around sounds like a winner. Lol

So what will the excuse be.
100% on him if we lose a player that way. 
 



 

It doesn’t really matter what happens, your tune is always the same.  
 

I don’t remember the last time you had a message without mentioning the GM. 

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54 minutes ago, stawns said:

Sutter is equally proficient on f/O's and I expect he'll be back as well.  

 

Faceoffs are definitely the Achilles heel keeping Petey from being an NHL centreman.  I do think he's defensively aware enough to play the position, though if he's a top 6 cman he's going to be facing some big, strong defensively proficient cman game in and hand out.  That wears on a player who is undersized.

EP isn't undersized compared to some of the best guys in the dot.   Giroux for expample, is 5'11 and 172lbs and fourth this year at over 60%...Stamkos isn't really that big... neither is Glendenning in Detroit.   But i do get where your coming from.   EP has size he's not short - needs to bull up a little.   And also at least personally feel this way, that if we ever want to see EP challenge for the Art Ross the coach needs to do what CHI did with Patrick Kane - move him to the wing and unleash him.    His "lotto" line deal for sure is sheltered.  JT Miller is a man and has man strength.   Giroux is an outlier.    Most of the top 20 including Sutter because he always is, have some size and have man strength.    I think the best line our team could make right now is EP Horvat Boeser or Podz.  

 

EP is so darn good he can remain a C.  And it's not like he's getting owned in dot for either.   Because he isn't.   This year his face offs continue to improve and are 45%... Nathan Mckinnons are 47.5% so ... maybe just maybe we shouldn't be worried about it?   Jack Hughes is 35.4% ... the first two years EP averaged 41% one is a natural C the other is not.    

 

 

Also have to say this.   There are only a handful of guys in the league that really make a difference with this stat.     That's it.   Horvat and Miller and Sutter are part of that.   But didn't matter a lick this season or the bubble or last season either.   I'd take an EP and Mckinnon any day over a Sutter or Bonino. 

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1 hour ago, IBatch said:

EP isn't undersized compared to some of the best guys in the dot.   Giroux for expample, is 5'11 and 172lbs and fourth this year at over 60%...Stamkos isn't really that big... neither is Glendenning in Detroit.   But i do get where your coming from.   EP has size he's not short - needs to bull up a little.   And also at least personally feel this way, that if we ever want to see EP challenge for the Art Ross the coach needs to do what CHI did with Patrick Kane - move him to the wing and unleash him.    His "lotto" line deal for sure is sheltered.  JT Miller is a man and has man strength.   Giroux is an outlier.    Most of the top 20 including Sutter because he always is, have some size and have man strength.    I think the best line our team could make right now is EP Horvat Boeser or Podz.  

 

EP is so darn good he can remain a C.  And it's not like he's getting owned in dot for either.   Because he isn't.   This year his face offs continue to improve and are 45%... Nathan Mckinnons are 47.5% so ... maybe just maybe we shouldn't be worried about it?   Jack Hughes is 35.4% ... the first two years EP averaged 41% one is a natural C the other is not.    

 

 

Also have to say this.   There are only a handful of guys in the league that really make a difference with this stat.     That's it.   Horvat and Miller and Sutter are part of that.   But didn't matter a lick this season or the bubble or last season either.   I'd take an EP and Mckinnon any day over a Sutter or Bonino. 

I didn't mean in the context of faceoffs.  Just the grind that a 1C has to face night in and night, shift in and shift out against big, defensive specialist cmen

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1 hour ago, Convincing John said:

I’m going to be completely honest here, I’ve watched Podz play a fair amount and I just don’t see the finish needed to become a top 6 forward. Regardless, he does everything else amazing and he will be a big time playoff performer. 

Exactly! 
 

I’m getting Travis Moen vibes with PK duties. That should be the expectation. 

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2 hours ago, Convincing John said:

I’m going to be completely honest here, I’ve watched Podz play a fair amount and I just don’t see the finish needed to become a top 6 forward. Regardless, he does everything else amazing and he will be a big time playoff performer. 

Good thing finish is something that can be worked on.

 

From what I’ve seen his hustle and ability to drive the net creates lots of opportunities for him and his teammates.

 

So maybe he isn’t the guy getting the goal but his teammates should benefit a lot from the chaos he creates.

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Just read his interview in Russian from the link above. The guy is very humble and say all the right things. Here’s the Google translation of the interview (pretty good translation quality) - https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&u=https://sport24.ru/news/hockey/2021-05-31-intervyu-vasiliy-podkolzina-kontrakt-s-vankuverom-nkhl-ska-sbornaya-rossii-chm-2021

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36 minutes ago, stawns said:

I didn't mean in the context of faceoffs.  Just the grind that a 1C has to face night in and night, shift in and shift out against big, defensive specialist cmen

Absolutely.    At least he's drawing us penalties all the time....

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