The Canucks have $26.7mill and Change in cap space to work with. With 13 players signed so lets start there. Lets play a game

[Arrow 1983]

10 minutes ago, khay said:

Not really. I was thinking someone better than Merrill. A player that can actually eat up minutes down the stretch and in the playoffs.

 

I'm not liking the idea of Hughes, Rathbone, Merrill, and OJ defending McDavid, Draisaitl, Vegas forwards during the stretch run/playoffs.

 

If we give Granlund 4 year term, he will become the next {insert name here} (Sutter, Beagle) and will become the next player that fans/media use to blame JB.

 

I like Coleman, but who knows if he blows his knee like Roussel after one year and he sucks for the remaining 3 years?

 

I agree that allocating about 4.5 mil for 3C makes sense but we should sign one on at most a 3 year deal if we are signing a 29-30 year old player and I'd sign a cheaper and short term 3RW/4RW so that we can find the money to sign an upgrade on RD.

 

so my question to you is who are those pieces on defense and 3rd line wing.

 

Build your line-up and stay within the rules. I am cap compliant. The whole reason I wrote this post is to not have to argue about 3rd line wing or or RD without a name or face. I gave those term and those salary amounts because I knew I was picking up guys who fill certain roles and are UFA on their final big contracts. I am not worried about possible future injuries. I am looking at their value today. A GM can not go to a players agent and say well Coleman might blow his knee like Roussel did so I am offering less then the other GMs. This isn't reasonable it is the risk all GMs must take. The benefit of getting a UFA is that you don't lose a prospect or other piece in a a trade. It is a trade off.

[Vinny in Vancouver]

Last I read is that Jay Beagle unfortunately may be on LTIR all of next season. So there will be even more cap space and a need for a 4C.

[Arrow 1983]

24 minutes ago, aGENT said:

@Arrow 1983Granlund is really more of a winger than C. Also don't think he's the the right fit for what we need (decent player though).

 

Also, sounds like Beagle is likely LTIR as well, so that's additional overage we'd have to play with.

 

I'd prefer we 'limp' along a bit this season at 3/4C this year. Whether that's a cheaper, short term deal for Sutter, another UFA, Miller at 3C, going with a mix of Boyd/Graovac/Jasek/Lind etc. Then target Boone Jenner next offseason as UFA when we have more cap opening.

 

I'd also love to see if we could target something like what Ottawa did last year and help a team like Tampa clear some cap for 'cheap' by sending them LTIR money. Something like Ferland for Palat.

 

Miller, Pettersson, Boeser

Pearson, Horvat, Podkolzin

Hoglander, Boyd/Graovac/Jasek?, Lind? (more sheltered, offensive usage line)

Highmore, Sutter?/UFA?, Motte 

 

MacEwan

 

The D is a lot more in flux and will depend heavily if JB can pull another Schmidt-like trade out of his pocket. If not, I could see a conservative re-up of Hamonic and (cheaper) Edler but I'm hopeful we can pull more off.

So many things wrong with what you wrote

 

Does your forward group honestly scream playoff team. It is mediocre at best

 

TBL has no injured players therefore acquiring a LTIR player is un-necessary. They did this for special circumstances others have written about why in other posts

 

You are prioritizing defense over forwards that is fine but to me that says you want to be playing a defensive game. That forward group will be eaten alive by offensive teams and no matter who you bring in on defense you still have much of the same core as I do and they are not a greatly defensive bunch. My theory is improve the top 9 forward group and play a possession game similar to Vegas and TBL They expect to make mistakes here and there but they have enough fire power to score and win more often then not.

 

You use a very appropriate word limp because that is what your line-up will do all season limp them selfies right out of playoff contention. You have created a forward group worse then Ott started with this season

 

Your Idea of waiting a year to get one specific player that may not even sign with the Canucks and could re-up with his current team makes no sense and is a gamble that no GM should take you should be ashamed of your self for that thinking.

 

I do not mean to be harsh but wow that was a really bad post. Really you want more of Sutter really.

Edited May 30, 2021 by Arrow 1983

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[Arrow 1983]

27 minutes ago, aGENT said:

@Arrow 1983Granlund is really more of a winger than C. Also don't think he's the the right fit for what we need (decent player though).

 

Also, sounds like Beagle is likely LTIR as well, so that's additional overage we'd have to play with.

 

I'd prefer we 'limp' along a bit this season at 3/4C this year. Whether that's a cheaper, short term deal for Sutter, another UFA, Miller at 3C, going with a mix of Boyd/Graovac/Jasek/Lind etc. Then target Boone Jenner next offseason as UFA when we have more cap opening.

 

I'd also love to see if we could target something like what Ottawa did last year and help a team like Tampa clear some cap for 'cheap' by sending them LTIR money. Something like Ferland for Palat.

 

Miller, Pettersson, Boeser

Pearson, Horvat, Podkolzin

Hoglander, Boyd/Graovac/Jasek?, Lind? (more sheltered, offensive usage line)

Highmore, Sutter?/UFA?, Motte 

 

MacEwan

 

If we can swing something like a Palat deal, you bump Pearson down.

 

Miller, Pettersson, Boeser

Palat?, Horvat, Podkolzin

Pearson, Boyd/Graovac/Jasek?, Hoglander 

Highmore, Sutter?/UFA?, Motte 

 

The D is a lot more in flux and will depend heavily if JB can pull another Schmidt-like trade out of his pocket. If not, I could see a conservative re-up of Hamonic and (cheaper) Edler but I'm hopeful we can pull more off.

Furthermore who is PKing in that line-up. If Beagle is out then They will have to re-place him with a PK specialist. I didn't take Beagle out for that reason. 1) we don't know for sure if Beagle is out he might be and 2) if so some of that LTIR money will have to be used to replace him with a guy who can PK for this line-up. 

[Alflives]

3 minutes ago, Arrow 1983 said:

So many things wrong with what you wrote

 

Does your forward group honestly scream playoff team. It is mediocre at best

 

TBL has no injured players therefore acquiring a LTIR player is un-necessary. They did this for special circumstances others have written about why in other posts

 

You are prioritizing defense over forwards that is fine but to me that says you want to be playing a defensive game. That forward group will be eaten alive by offensive teams and no matter who you bring in on defense you still have much of the same core as I do and they are not a greatly defensive bunch. My theory is improve the top 9 forward group and play a possession game similar to Vegas and TBL They expect to make mistakes here and there but they have enough fire power to score and win more often then not.

 

You use a very appropriate word limp because that is what your line-up will do all season limp them selfies right out of playoff contention. You have created a forward group worse then Ott started with this season

 

Your Idea of waiting a year to get one specific player that may not even sign with the Canucks and could re-up with his current team makes no sense and is a gamble that no GM should take you should be ashamed of your self for that thinking.

 

I do not mean to be harsh but wow that was a really bad post. Really you want more of Sutter really.

D men, like Hughes, Bone, Schmidt, and Myers will join the rush, so there are four on the attack.  Having these four guys playing regular for us is going to be HUGE for our scoring.  We need more forwards who ar3 smart enough to read the play and rotate quickly to the D side of the puck when their D men have committed to the offence.  Jake and Gaud were horrid at reading the play, and rotating.  Sutter is okay, but too often injured.  Big Mac is too slow.  Rooster has no legs left.  Beagle is done.  We are adding Pods and Lockwood to our smart and talented forwards.  We actually look pretty good.  

[aGENT]

2 minutes ago, Arrow 1983 said:

So many things wrong with what you wrote

 

Does your forward group honestly scream playoff team. It is mediocre at best

 

TBL has no injured players therefore acquiring a LTIR player is un-necessary. They did this for special circumstances others have written about why in other posts

 

You are prioritizing defense over forwards that is fine but to me that says you want to be playing a defensive game. That forward group will be eaten alive by offensive teams and no matter who you bring in on defense you still have much of the same core as I do and they are not a greatly defensive bunch. My theory is improve the top 9 forward group and play a possession game similar to Vegas and TBL They expect to make mistakes here and there but they have enough fire power to score and win more often then not.

 

You use a very appropriate word limp because that is what your line-up will do all season limp them selfies right out of playoff contention. You have created a forward group worse then Ott started with this season

 

Your Idea of waiting a year to get one specific player that may not even sign with the Canucks and could re-up with his current team makes no sense and is a gamble that no GM should take you should be ashamed of your self for that thinking.

 

I do not mean to be harsh but wow that was a really bad post.

Other than 3C, our lineups are almost identical FWIW But sure, mine's 'awful' in comparison. Ok.

 

And no, it 'screams' bubble playoff team... Which is exactly where we should continue to be for one more season. I see no reason to be signing a bunch of mid-higher dollar UFA's to try to force the issue ahead of schedule. Our key core guys aren't even in their primes yet.

 

You should also check out my edit with a 'Palat' (or similar) added. And they made that trade as a (comparatively cheap) cost of clearing cap. Had nothing to to with having other injured players.

 

I'd be perfectly fine trading Lind or similar to what looks to be a re-something CBJ team for Jenner, to better ensure that future personally.

 

And no, it doesn't have to be him specifically, but I do think next year is the better time line to fill that hole.

 

And no, I don't want to play 'defensively'. I want us to have a solid defense that moves and helps keep the puck in the offensive zone.

[aGENT]

4 minutes ago, Arrow 1983 said:

Furthermore who is PKing in that line-up. If Beagle is out then They will have to re-place him with a PK specialist. I didn't take Beagle out for that reason. 1) we don't know for sure if Beagle is out he might be and 2) if so some of that LTIR money will have to be used to replace him with a guy who can PK for this line-up. 

Sutter or the UFA I mention, Motte, Highmore, whichever guy is 3C, with Pearson, Miller and Horvat on spot duty/injury fill in.

[Elias Pettersson]

Has Ferland said he's not coming back?  What if he does?  That kinda fills the LW position in the top 9 and allows Miller to move to 3C.

 

Not saying he is going to come back but Crosby took over a year to get over his concussion and has played every year since, maybe Ferland can do the same thing.  Who knows.  Just saying he COULD still be in the mix.

[Alflives]

5 minutes ago, aGENT said:

Sutter or the UFA I mention, Motte, Highmore, whichever guy is 3C, with Pearson, Miller and Horvat on spot duty/injury fill in.

Lockwood is on our team next year, and he is a great guy on PK.  Pods is really good on the PK too.  Sure, the PK forwards will start with Motte, Pearson, Miller, Bo, and Highmore.  But when Green sees Lockwood and Pods on the PK, he will play them more, and take the burden of those harder minutes off Miller and Bo.  I wonder what our forward lines will look like adding in Lockwood and Pods?  

Miller, Petey, Bess

Pearson, Bo, Hogs

Motte, ?, Pods

Highmore, ?, ? 

 

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Has Ferland said he's not coming back?  What if he does?  That kinda fills the LW position in the top 9 and allows Miller to move to 3C.

 

Not saying he is going to come back but Crosby took over a year to get over his concussion and has played every year since, maybe Ferland can do the same thing.  Who knows.  Just saying he COULD still be in the mix.

Love to see Ferland able to resume his career, but seriously doubt he can.  That’s huge for us though if he can.  

[khay]

35 minutes ago, Arrow 1983 said:

so my question to you is who are those pieces on defense and 3rd line wing.

 

Build your line-up and stay within the rules. I am cap compliant. The whole reason I wrote this post is to not have to argue about 3rd line wing or or RD without a name or face. I gave those term and those salary amounts because I knew I was picking up guys who fill certain roles and are UFA on their final big contracts. I am not worried about possible future injuries. I am looking at their value today. A GM can not go to a players agent and say well Coleman might blow his knee like Roussel did so I am offering less then the other GMs. This isn't reasonable it is the risk all GMs must take. The benefit of getting a UFA is that you don't lose a prospect or other piece in a a trade. It is a trade off.

Fine, I'll bite.

 

Miller-EP-Boeser 

Pearson-Bo-Hoglander

Motte-Danault-Podkolzin

Highmore-Sutter-MacEwen/Graovan/Lind/Gadjovich (competition for 4RW spot)

 

Hughes-Savard (or Larsson)

Edler-Schmidt

Juolevi/Rathbone-Myers

 

Demko

A back up at around 2 mil.

 

Re-sign EP to 7 mil x 3 years. Comparable is Barzal.

Re-sign QH to 5.5 mil x 1 (or 2) years. He has nothing to prove on the offensive end, he needs to prove that he can defend before we re-sign him to a big dollar contract.

Sign Danault to 3 or 4 years at 4 mil. He is 28 years old.

Re-sign Sutter to 2 year 2.5 mil.

Re-sign Edler to 1 year 3.5 mil.

Sign Savard 4 year 5 mil.

Sign a back up (many options) at 2 mil.

 

First line: 18.125.

Second line: 9.75.

Third line: 6.25.

Fourth line: 4.5.

Forwards: 38.625.

 

1st pairing: 10.5 mil.

2nd pairing: 9.5 mil.

3rd pairing: 7 mil.

Defence: 27 mil.

 

Goalies: 7 mil.

 

72-73 mil for roster players.

 

Eriksson: 4.875 mil.

Luongo: 3 mil.

Buy out cap: Holtby 500k + Virtanen about 50k = 550k.

Lost cost: 8.4 mil.

 

Roussel, Beagle, and Ferland on LTIR.

 

As tight as your roster but dollar numbers can easily be changed to fit within the cap.

 

[aGENT]

1 minute ago, Alflives said:

Lockwood is on our team next year, and he is a great guy on PK.  Pods is really good on the PK too.  Sure, the PK forwards will start with Motte, Pearson, Miller, Bo, and Highmore.  But when Green sees Lockwood and Pods on the PK, he will play them more, and take the burden of those harder minutes off Miller and Bo.  I wonder what our forward lines will look like adding in Lockwood and Pods?  

Miller, Petey, Bess

Pearson, Bo, Hogs

Motte, ?, Pods

Highmore, ?, ? 

 

I personally wouldn't hate Lockwood getting one more year of high minutes and being one of the first injury call ups from Abby next year. But no, he's certainly not out of the question for a spot next year either and could certainly be in the conversation for PK minutes at some point as well. You could 'theoretically' plug him in to that lineup as well. Coud be a fun and FAST 'kid' line.

 

Miller, Pettersson, Boeser

Pearson, Horvat, Podkolzin

Hoglander, Jasek, Lockwood

Highmore, Sutter?/UFA?, Motte 

 

No matter how we slice it, IMO we do need a short term, hard minute/PK C if Beagle is in fact done. Whether that's a Sutter, Soderberg etc? I'll let JB and Co. figure that out.

[BCNate]

I'll take your start, but assume 

 

Trade Schmidt to Florida for Gudas and a 1st.  We may need to add.  This gives you 29.7 now.

Trade Roussel at 50% +pick or B level prospect.  You have 31.2 now

Sign Hoffman and Coleman for 8 total

Sign Tyson Barrie 3x4.5

Sign Forbort, Murray, or Nemeth as a Stay at home LHD for about 3.

Sign EP, QH to 3 year deals totalling 13

That takes up 28.5

 

Podkolzin/Juolevi take about 2, Broisoit is our back up  at 1.75

 

EP-Boeser-Coleman

Pearson-Horvat-Hoglander

Podkolzin-Miller-Hoffman

Mix and match as you will.  TOI will not very greatly between lines

 

Mix of Motte/HIghmore/Lind/Hawlryluk/Gadjovich/Lockwood/Jasek for your 4th line

Not a ton of ice time for the 4th line

 

Hughes-Gudas

Murray-Barrie

Rathbone/Juolevi-Myers

 

Demko

Broisoit

 

 

[RU SERIOUS]

1 hour ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:

How about Benning signing another Eriksson?

Don't worry, I don't think Uncle Jim will disappoint !   He always manages to deliver at least one or two bad head-scratching contract/decisions annually and this year will be no different than the last 7.   That's is a certainty!

 

[Arrow 1983]

12 minutes ago, khay said:

Fine, I'll bite.

 

Miller-EP-Boeser 

Pearson-Bo-Hoglander

Motte-Danault-Podkolzin

Highmore-Sutter-MacEwen/Graovan/Lind/Gadjovich (competition for 4RW spot)

 

Hughes-Savard (or Larsson)

Edler-Schmidt

Juolevi/Rathbone-Myers

 

Demko

A back up at around 2 mil.

 

Re-sign EP to 7 mil x 3 years. Comparable is Barzal.

Re-sign QH to 5.5 mil x 1 (or 2) years. He has nothing to prove on the offensive end, he needs to prove that he can defend before we re-sign him to a big dollar contract.

Sign Danault to 3 or 4 years at 4 mil. He is 28 years old.

Re-sign Sutter to 2 year 2.5 mil.

Re-sign Edler to 1 year 3.5 mil.

Sign Savard 4 year 5 mil.

Sign a back up (many options) at 2 mil.

 

First line: 18.125.

Second line: 9.75.

Third line: 6.25.

Fourth line: 4.5.

Forwards: 38.625.

 

1st pairing: 10.5 mil.

2nd pairing: 9.5 mil.

3rd pairing: 7 mil.

Defence: 27 mil.

 

Goalies: 7 mil.

 

72-73 mil for roster players.

 

Eriksson: 4.875 mil.

Luongo: 3 mil.

Buy out cap: Holtby 500k + Virtanen about 50k = 550k.

Lost cost: 8.4 mil.

 

Roussel, Beagle, and Ferland on LTIR.

 

As tight as your roster but dollar numbers can easily be changed to fit within the cap.

 

I like Danault he is my second option.

 

I don't like Motte on 3rd line but you have improved the defense if you can get either Savard or Larsson and In a flat cap era trade-offs are a must. So I can except it.

 

You are betting on Beagle to be on LTIR all season that we do not know for sure is the case I can life with that assumption. But have no clue where you get Roussel on LTIR. If he isn't I don't see how you can make your line-up work 

 

[grouse747]

I think people are too pessimistic on our defence and don't understand what a "rebuild on the fly" entails.

 

our cheap, mediocre defensemen actually have plus/minus figures pretty much at zero.

 

our free agent signings have been really poor..... not sure we are highly unique in that regard.

 

so play your young talent. what's the worst thing that will happen? have a year like this past year?... and augment it with cheap, veteran defensemen.

 

frankly, our power play and penalty killing were very mediocre this year. don't have it in front of me but somewhere in the 20th rank for each. and that has very little to do with depth (3rd and 4th line players that I constantly hear about)

[NewbieCanuckFan]

1 hour ago, vinny_in_vancouver said:

Last I read is that Jay Beagle unfortunately may be on LTIR all of next season. So there will be even more cap space and a need for a 4C.

A person on LTIR doesn't actually create additional cap space.  All it does is let you exceed the amount of cap but the amount you have on LTIR.  And once Beagle is medically cleared to play (it could just as easily happen during the season), you still have the problem of what to do with his contract (cap hit).

[Arrow 1983]

25 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Lockwood is on our team next year, and he is a great guy on PK.  Pods is really good on the PK too.  Sure, the PK forwards will start with Motte, Pearson, Miller, Bo, and Highmore.  But when Green sees Lockwood and Pods on the PK, he will play them more, and take the burden of those harder minutes off Miller and Bo.  I wonder what our forward lines will look like adding in Lockwood and Pods?  

Miller, Petey, Bess

Pearson, Bo, Hogs

Motte, ?, Pods

Highmore, ?, ? 

 

I don't understand why you think so highly of Lockwood. What gives you reason to believe that he is such a lock for next season

[RU SERIOUS]

2 minutes ago, grouse747 said:

I think people are too pessimistic on our defence and don't understand what a "rebuild on the fly" entails.

 

our cheap, mediocre defensemen actually have plus/minus figures pretty much at zero.

 

our free agent signings have been really poor..... not sure we are highly unique in that regard.

 

so play your young talent. what's the worst thing that will happen? have a year like this past year?... and augment it with cheap, veteran defensemen.

 

frankly, our power play and penalty killing were very mediocre this year. don't have it in front of me but somewhere in the 20th rank for each. and that has very little to do with depth (3rd and 4th line players that I constantly hear about)

Your honesty and frankness might upset the "Benning 4-Ever" love brigade!

 

Good post BTW...........!