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21 hours ago, Teemu Selänne said:

Omg maybe RNH-to-Vancouver rumours will fill the void left by Sakic-to-Vancouver & Niedermayer-to-Vancouver rumours

Please don't speak of RNH and Sakic/Niedermayer in the same breath...

 

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most logical choice would probably be signing with Seattle. Closeish to Burnaby but not in the Lower Mainland. There would be opportunity for him to may be a top six role. The Canucks wouldn't have the cap space or the roster spot for him.

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1 hour ago, RakuRaku said:

He's a good 2nd line centre but soft as butter.... anything more than $5M would be an overpayment in the current pandemic hit economic climate!

how is a solid 200 ft player considered soft?  Soft players don't play pk.

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2 hours ago, oldnews said:

Hard pass.

 

There's nothing about his game that makes him the right fit here.

 

First - let's look at his upside - which is misleading imo.

 

35 pts this year - seems decent at first glance.

However - he had 7 even strength goals, 8 assists - 15 es pts is quite poor.

That's with 59.2% offensive zone starts (4th highest on the Coil), with nearly 15 es minutes/game...

Just under 50% of that even strength ice time came while playing with McMe1st.  His secondary/next most frequent linemates were guys like Puljujaarvi, Draisaitl, Yamamoto...

Horrible 5on5 production.

20 of his points came on the powerplay - actually had a hair more powerplay ice time/game than McMe1st - a whopping 4:12/game for RNH - on the league's most productive powerplay.  In other words - his production was highly inflated.

Poor 5on5 goal metrics as well.

 

More warning signs....

5 Oilers took more faceoffs than RNH - including Khaira, Haas, and Turris - all of whom played considerably fewer games and minutes than N-H...

160 draws - N-H was 45.6%....

He was effectively a winger / secondary center - and one who brings little grit / next to no 'heaviness' to his game (26 hits, 29 blocks in 52 games).

 

Yeah - he was one of their secondary penalty killers (Archibald and Khaira killed more penalties than RNH this year...)

But that's just not enough - to go with 'responsible' defensively - to make him an attractive target.

 

So many better targets/fits out there, some of them also expiring - who won't cost what RNH would probably believe he's worth.

 

Likeable person - decent player - but no thank you. 

 

To underline the point:

Sutter had 10 es pts in 520 es minutes = 1.2 pts per 60 minutes.

RNH has 15 es pts in 764 es minutes = 1.2 pts per 60minutes.

Needless to say - Sutter played much harder 5on5 minutes - with much less productive linemates....

 

Does this team need a left handed powerplay winger?   A tweener and secondary penalty killer?

No, it doesn't - and certainly not at anywhere near what his cap hit will likely wind up to be.

 

Sutter

Jenner

Haula, Richardson, Thompson...

Nick Paul...

These are the kind of targets we 'should' look at. 

Of course, we'd all love a Sean Couturier - but RNH aint that.

 

Save the cap space.  Get a true, dedicated shutdown center (certainly if Beagle won't be healthy).

Retain the secondary scoring roles for our own emerging prospects - tilt the ice for them - add guys to our bottom six that handle hard minutes on a regular basis, win faceoffs, bring more 'grit' - provide 'foundation'.   If we're also looking for a legitimate future two way center, RNH isn't the guy.

 

 

 

Point well made!

 

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12 hours ago, wallstreetamigo said:

I think with Benning and Green sticking around its pretty likely Edler gets re-signed.

 

While our hearts should love the loyalty to him, our heads should not.

 

Edler has slowed considerably. As a 3rd pairing guy on a 1 year deal at 1.5 million, sure why not? At anything more than that, and with the intense likelihood that if he stays he will again be overused by Green for 20 plus minutes per game as our shutdown guy, its just making one of Juolevi or Rathbone bit players. 

 

If Benning re-signs Edler before the expansion draft and protects him (or Hamonic for that matter) it is terrible asset management.

 

Benning should be taking advantage of his D protection slots and looking to try to trade for a younger RHD from a team that will lose a good one for nothing. 

 

If I was in the GM seat, I would be looking to take advantage of several of those trades, protect the guys you get back, and take the calculated risk of exposing Pearson and Myers. No chance Seattle takes either imo. If they do, you are only losing one and get significant cap to replace them.

Fully agree, need to play the game this summer...would much rather they focus on protecting youth and dare Seattle to take a large contract. Not sure what the impact will be on the players but building a competitive lineup will solve player frustration issues fairly quickly.

 

Love Edler but how do can they allocate more than (as you say) $1.5M to him. Doesn't make sense.

 

 

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I always thought Nug-kins was one of if not the hardest working players the Oilers have. My Oiler fan friends would agree that he brings all he has every game.

 

Maybe he is soft or slight but his compete level, and hockey sense are very high. 

 

The only problem I see is that he costs too much for a 3C and he should be winning more faceoffs at this point of his career.

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Id love for RNH to come back home to BC. These two acquisitions add speed and skill in our top 6 and veteran experience with size in our top 4 D 

 

Forwards

Nudge Pettersson Hoglander

Pearson Horvat Boeser 
Motte Miller Podkolzin 

Highmore Graovac Hawryluk 

 

Camp competition for forwards 

 

Vessey 

MacEwan 

Lind 

Gadjovich 

Michaelis 

Boyd 

Lockwood 

Jassek

Baertchi 

Focht 

 

Buyouts or trades 

Eriksson

Sutter

Ferland

Roussel 

Beagle 

Virtanen 

 

 

Defence 

Hughes  Jones 

Edler Schmidt 

Rathbone Hamonic 

Juolevi Woo 

 

Trade or buyouts

Myers 

 

 

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On 5/30/2021 at 11:46 AM, Canuck Surfer said:

Nuge scored 35 points this year playing with McDavid.

 

Something ain't adding up, wasn't working... 

He doesnt play with #97. His most common linemate was yams who was a huge letdown this season. I prefer Reinhart but RNH often plays 3c and is also a very good playmaking winger and is an excellent pker.

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You don't overpay for RNH but if he signs for the right price you absolutely take him.  Nux have 7 of their top 9 with the addition of Podz.  Nuge would make it 8.

 

What is his biggest attribute? Versatility.

 

Plays PP, PK good 200 ft game, playmaker, goal scorer, can play 2C or 3C or wing on any of the top 3 lines.

 

At the right price you absolutely do that deal.  But no - you don't over pay.  So let's see what he wants before you dismiss him like Old News. 

 

Old News just acting like an old man yelling at the clouds again lol!

 

 

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1 hour ago, fanfor42 said:

You don't overpay for RNH but if he signs for the right price you absolutely take him.  Nux have 7 of their top 9 with the addition of Podz.  Nuge would make it 8.

 

What is his biggest attribute? Versatility.

 

Plays PP, PK good 200 ft game, playmaker, goal scorer, can play 2C or 3C or wing on any of the top 3 lines.

 

At the right price you absolutely do that deal.  But no - you don't over pay.  So let's see what he wants before you dismiss him like Old News. 

 

Old News just acting like an old man yelling at the clouds again lol!

 

 

regular season Nuge? maybe if is not too expensive. playoff Nuge, no thanks. He'll be pricey and we need more size + skill in our lineup. Oldnews is right about trying to find more guys like Paul, we really need that more than we need someone like RNH.

 

21 games, 3 goals, -7, can't win clutch face-offs, in his playoff career - that looks like someone who's very easily handled in the post season. If he was going to show anything exceptional in the playoffs  it would have happened by now. He's had a lot of good chances, teams have to game plan for McDavid and its given him better matchups, which he hasn't done much with. 

 

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8 hours ago, Alienhuggyflow said:

He doesnt play with #97. His most common linemate was yams who was a huge letdown this season. I prefer Reinhart but RNH often plays 3c and is also a very good playmaking winger and is an excellent pker.

not sure abut how he's a good fit at "3C" for us when both Haas and Turris took more draws than he did (http://www.nhl.com/stats/skaters?report=faceoffpercentages&reportType=season&seasonFrom=20202021&seasonTo=20202021&gameType=2&playerPlayedFor=franchise.25&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=totalFaceoffs&page=0&pageSize=50)

 

RNH is a winger that can fill in at C in spots. Thats OK for us maybe as a complimentary piece say if he was on a line with a heathy Sutter as the actual 3C. 

 

 

I think this is why Holland is playing hardball with him on his next deal, he's not really a 3C and you need to bring in other players to make up for it. It lowers his overall value. 

 

 

 

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On 5/31/2021 at 10:54 AM, oldnews said:

Hard pass.

 

There's nothing about his game that makes him the right fit here.

 

First - let's look at his upside - which is misleading imo.

 

35 pts this year - seems decent at first glance.

However - he had 7 even strength goals, 8 assists - 15 es pts is quite poor.

That's with 59.2% offensive zone starts (4th highest on the Coil), with nearly 15 es minutes/game...

Just under 50% of that even strength ice time came while playing with McMe1st.  His secondary/next most frequent linemates were guys like Puljujaarvi, Draisaitl, Yamamoto...

Horrible 5on5 production.

20 of his points came on the powerplay - actually had a hair more powerplay ice time/game than McMe1st - a whopping 4:12/game for RNH - on the league's most productive powerplay.  In other words - his production was highly inflated.

Poor 5on5 goal metrics as well.

 

More warning signs....

5 Oilers took more faceoffs than RNH - including Khaira, Haas, and Turris - all of whom played considerably fewer games and minutes than N-H...

160 draws - N-H was 45.6%....

He was effectively a winger / secondary center - and one who brings little grit / next to no 'heaviness' to his game (26 hits, 29 blocks in 52 games).

 

Yeah - he was one of their secondary penalty killers (Archibald and Khaira killed more penalties than RNH this year...)

But that's just not enough - to go with 'responsible' defensively - to make him an attractive target.

 

So many better targets/fits out there, some of them also expiring - who won't cost what RNH would probably believe he's worth.

 

Likeable person - decent player - but no thank you. 

 

To underline the point:

Sutter had 10 es pts in 520 es minutes = 1.2 pts per 60 minutes.

RNH has 15 es pts in 764 es minutes = 1.2 pts per 60minutes.

Needless to say - Sutter played much harder 5on5 minutes - with much less productive linemates....

 

Does this team need a left handed powerplay winger?   A tweener and secondary penalty killer?

No, it doesn't - and certainly not at anywhere near what his cap hit will likely wind up to be.

 

Sutter

Jenner

Haula, Richardson, Thompson...

Nick Paul...

These are the kind of targets we 'should' look at. 

Of course, we'd all love a Sean Couturier - but RNH aint that.

 

Save the cap space.  Get a true, dedicated shutdown center (certainly if Beagle won't be healthy).

Retain the secondary scoring roles for our own emerging prospects - tilt the ice for them - add guys to our bottom six that handle hard minutes on a regular basis, win faceoffs, bring more 'grit' - provide 'foundation'.   If we're also looking for a legitimate future two way center, RNH isn't the guy.

 

 

 

This is probably the best post I've read here on RNH. RNH is going to get a contract that's going to look immediately bad. I hope it's not us who signs it. 

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Kick the tires in Nuge if you’re committed to keeping Miller at C maybe.  For the right price of course.

Hoglander-Miller-Boeser

Nuge-Pettersson-Podkolzin

Pearson-Horvat-Motte

 

 

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2 minutes ago, ilduce39 said:

Kick the tires in Nuge if you’re committed to keeping Miller at C maybe.  For the right price of course.

Hoglander-Miller-Boeser

Nuge-Pettersson-Podkolzin

Pearson-Horvat-Motte

 

 

Maybe just better going with a likely much cheaper option like Granlund... but that’s my best “plan” for next year instead of trying to shoehorn in a 3C.
 

Find a versatile middle 6-type LW/C to play with Petey.  Immediately we look a lot deeper. 
 

Bo, Pettersson and Miller would still lead ice time for forwards based on special teams. 

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