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8 minutes ago, EddieVedder said:

Yes but weve never seen a dman get manhandled and wrecked like we have Hughes.  Elite dmen dont make the amount of turnovers Hughes was making in his own end.  

Honestly, i wont be surprised if at some point a coach tries him on the wing.  

You have any video of him in the playoffs getting manhandled like you claim? Was this happening every time he was on the ice?

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6 hours ago, EddieVedder said:

Yes because Lindros and Kariya are both drooling over themselves.  Get a grip bruh.  This is hockey, not the ice capades.  Youve probably never played any competitive team sports in your life, so ill explain simply.. you dont win unless you and your team can handle physicality.  

Btw, Scott Stevens was a heck of a skillfull player earlier in his career.  

Hahaha. If u only knew. Good talk.

 

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9 hours ago, Bertuzzipunch said:

You have any video of him in the playoffs getting manhandled like you claim? Was this happening every time he was on the ice?

Did you watch this season?  Did you watch Vegas completely wreck QH in the playoffs?  

It might not happen everytime hes on the ice, but it happens way more than it ever should for a defender. 

We wouldn't be having topics devoted to QH and his inability to defend if it wasnt the case.  

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5 minutes ago, EddieVedder said:

Did you watch this season?  Did you watch Vegas completely wreck QH in the playoffs?  

It might not happen everytime hes on the ice, but it happens way more than it ever should for a defender. 

We wouldn't be having topics devoted to QH and his inability to defend if it wasnt the case.  

Huggy Bear set the playoff scoring record for rookie D in those games.  He’s a beauty.

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3 minutes ago, Patel Bure said:

Many media members in this city, along with the "Canucks fans" over at HF, like to pretend that our 2nd round appearance in 2020 didn't happen because it doesn't suit their narrative.   It's the most ridiculous thing ever.

I'm excited for next season

 

This was clearly an off year for the Canucks. We arent this bad.

Hopefully the pundits and handicappers have us pegged super low. this is the year to bet on us

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18 hours ago, kilgore said:

Amazing what works as click bait in here to get recs.

 

A little rewriting of history.  The way I recall it,  many pundits were questioning the large contracts on the Leafs eating up so much of the cap at the time.  How it was huge gamble.  Their defence has been questioned all along. For sure on CDC that was the talk.

 

Toronto won the lottery.  But bad cap managing killed them.  Its ludicrous to suggest that was the fault of "pundits". 

Toronto had a foundational player to build around, and began to do so. They mismanaged both his and the secondary pieces contracts.

So......any pundit that said back then that Toronto looked to be in a good position for their rebuild, is now mud because Dubas screwed it up?

 

I think its impossible to ever scientifically compare different teams rebuilds anyways.  So many factors involved.

Your place in the draft pick order.

Your cap total at the time, and contracts owed in future.

Your average player age and ability

How full your prospect cupboard is at the time

Injuries

And when and how full on, you will commit to the rebuild.

 

This article for The Hockey Writers website was suggesting a rebuild back in 2015 for Benning.

https://thehockeywriters.com/time-is-now-for-rebuild-in-vancouver/

 

And how do you compare rebuilds when one team refused to use the word rebuild?  When one team went through a rebuild accidentally while trying to make the playoffs but failing spectacularly at that so badly they were able to pick high and snag prospects that pretty well demanded that they start to utter the forbidden word, and start to plan for the future instead of the "day to day" reactive style of squeaking into the playoffs managing?

 

Even if you disagree with that synopsis, the situations of both teams were different when they started the rebuild.  And even then....what is a "start"?  Every team is going through a rebuild to some degree every single season. They have to. Its more of a difference in concentration in one area. Simplistic comparison but one is putting most of your eggs in one basket...collecting good prospects. Whereas when in contention, you put most of the eggs in star power and rentals.

 

And the crux of it is cap management. And player position management. And mix of ELC and veterans. And team chemistry. Its the lowest hanging fruit in blaming the hockey pundits that thought Toronto was going to be better by now. Who cares what hockey pundits got right, or got wrong.  The late great Botchford coined "they need an army".  And Benning is still challenged by that job.  Where you need a whole team of players pulling in the same direction, with contracts where non are vastly overpaid, and all four lines contribute well. 

 

Totally different situations.  Dubas and Benning both failed in some areas, and have succeeded in others.  Hate to break it to you but Toronto is not on the decline just yet.  And the Canucks are not ready to compete for the Cup just yet either.   Its yet to be determined which of the two teams will get to another SCF first.

 

 

 

Very true... don't think anybody can't see the abundance of riches in Toronto...

It's the fact that every year they are pronounced cup winners before the first puck drop of the season by the Canadian press... every year...

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Breaking news: Kyle Dubas of the Maple Leafs just contacted Daryl Morey of the Philadelphia Sixers to discuss a swap of playoff underperformers Mitch Marner and Ben Simmons. Morey balked, "both players don't score on the playoffs, but at least Ben can play D and get assists; what does Marner do?" Dubas' only response was, "at least Mitch's salary is only half what Ben's is." :P

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