[Signing] Canucks sign Karel Plasek

[PuckFather]

3 hours ago, Alain Vigneault said:

I'm not saying he won't be good.  I'm just saying that we shouldn't get ahead of ourselves with these claims that he's a home-run.  If the sea of Shirokovs hasn't taught anybody anything, then maybe Adam Gaudette will?  Idk.

 

Hope this helps.

Obviously the sea of Hoglander hasn't taught you anything either.

[Dazzle]

Just now, Alain Vigneault said:

Sure.  The important thing to discern is that we can say this because we're in 2021, not 2017.

 

If in 2 years time Plasek is playing regular minutes on the Canucks and is a contributing member to the extent that Gaudette was, it's a homerun.  Until then, he's just a prospect that's signed an ELC.  Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[you know what goes here]

Plasek is certainly TRENDING towards a home run pick. Your nitpicky language does not invalidate his accomplishments thus far.

[Devron]

And just for fun here it is 

[kanucks25]

1 minute ago, Dazzle said:

Plasek is certainly TRENDING towards a home run pick. Your nitpicky language does not invalidate his accomplishments thus far.

There's a major difference between trending to be a home run and a home run.

 

It's not nitpicky, you were just wrong lol.

 

Balls go high into the air all the time but if the outfielder catches it at the warning track, it's not a homerun.

[wallstreetamigo]

6 minutes ago, PuckFather said:

Obviously the sea of Hoglander hasn't taught you anything either.

Didnt realize Hoglander was drafted in the 6th round. Hmmm, learn something new every day.

[AV.]

6 minutes ago, PuckFather said:

Obviously the sea of Hoglander hasn't taught you anything either.

Hoglander was a 2nd rounder, not a 6th rounder.  More than 100 picks separating the two.

 

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[Elias Pettersson]

32 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said:

Do you remember how many players the Canucks (and every other team) have drafted who were thought to have those attributes but didnt amount to anything at the NHL level?

 

It might be a bit too early to proclaim this guy a homerun, don't you think?

I think it’s at least a double. If you are hitting doubles in the 6th round your drafting is A+. 

[Gawdzukes]

Okay class, I'm telling you the definition of "homerun draft pick", will definitely be on the final. These are easy marks folks, I would write this down if I was you.

[AV.]

Let's let Plasek have a full two years in the AHL and see where he's at.  I think he possesses a lot of great tools and could do well in North America.  Barring any injury crises, I think we could see a call-up in 2024, maybe 2023.

 

Until then, for the sanity of many of you, let's cool it on the homerun/slamdunk talk  

 

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[wallstreetamigo]

17 minutes ago, Dazzle said:

I do remember it. I don't remember Gillis' picks (the predecessor) having this level of success THUS FAR. Before the excuse that Benning has had high picks get thrown in, we do have Demko and Hoglander, and many other prospects look promising.

 

So yes, there is an optimism that Plasek could be a homerun. Jasek is doing well and looks like he might push for an NHL role too. I think home run is an apt term, especially since these lower drafted players have such low expectations placed on them.

Having optimism is different than declaring it as a fact though.

 

He is not a homerun pick at this point. Hopefully he will be and lets all be optimistic.

 

But this signing at this point doesnt prove anything yet.

[wallstreetamigo]

19 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

I think it’s at least a double. If you are hitting doubles in the 6th round your drafting is A+. 

Its literally nothing yet though. 

[MeanSeanBean]

1 hour ago, Alain Vigneault said:

Celebrating a signing is something like "Cool,, look forward to him developing and seeing what we have", not "wow, another homerun from Benning and his scouts".  The latter is meant to push a false narrative, and frankly, a tired narrative, that we've already seen plenty of times before, most recently with Adam Gaudette.

 

But I'm sure you already knew that.

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We're not talking about Gaudette and you didn't answer my question. Saying someone nailed the draft is not pushing a false narrative. It's stating an opinion that someone thinks that draft went well. Most certainly not worth a full post and gif. Hense why I was curious if this is like, a thing you enjoy doing on the Internet. If it is, that's fine. It's not my thing, I find it irritating. But like I said, in just genuinely curious if it's just a internet thing, or you're actually like this?

Edited June 1, 2021 by shayster007

[Ilya Mikheyev]

This is good news for Canuck's inaugural season with the farm in Abby. With both Lind and Gad potentially moving on thru ED or waivers, Baer leaving as FA,  Anas & Stevens being folding back with St. Louis post-covid, Lockwood in competition for 13th forward spot on the Canucks - already with a team that didn't have a great year anyway.

 

 

[Me_]

4 hours ago, Alain Vigneault said:

Perhaps, that's the interpretation of my signature.  In any event, I genuinely try to help people with my posts.

 

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You complain. Nothing more, nothing less.

There is no help in your post whatsoever.

 

Please review what Helping means.

[-AJ-]

We'll see if he can make it in Abby next year. His numbers in Europe haven't seen much change over the past few years. So long as we're not close to the contract limit, this is fine.

[-AJ-]

7 minutes ago, Teemu Selänne said:

This is good news for Canuck's inaugural season with the farm in Abby. With both Lind and Gad potentially moving on thru ED or waivers, Baer leaving as FA,  Anas & Stevens being folding back with St. Louis post-covid, Lockwood in competition for 13th forward spot on the Canucks - already with a team that didn't have a great year anyway.

 

 

I would contest this bit--the .589 point percentage is the 3rd highest out of eight Comets years. Quite respectable I'd say, albeit not amazing or anything.

[oldnews]

1 hour ago, Dazzle said:

Adam Gaudette is a home run pick for a 5th rounder. How he was handled afterward is beside the point.

Gaudette was handled fine - at least by Green - in terms of his deployment imo.

 

Gaudette, however, didn't grow particular aspects of his game - was not a linear progression from Hobey Baker to middle six center.

 

He's human - it happens - people have strengths and weaknesses, make progress and suffer setbacks....

Gaudette, in addition to hitting a bit of a development wall, certainly where his defensive game and awareness are concerned - was also in a set of circumstances where his more realistic path to an NHL spot/career - as a RW conversion, happened to overlap with arguably his team's position of greatest depth, and greatest (emerging) youth depth.  But even if he were a LW - it remained that he needed to develop into less of a liability.   That's as much on him as it is on how he 'was handled'.   There are a number of young Canucks who 'get it' - who develop very well in this sense under Green - and additionally Green showed a lot of patience for Gaudette and gave him a lot of opportunities - so I find it difficult to assume that it comes down to Gaudette not being handled 'properly' - I think it's as likely to do with Gaudette's ability to absorb what he needs to.  In any event, he was moveable imo - an asset the team could relatively easily replace from within with homegrown drafted and developed talent, so I don't second guess any of it.  I'll take Highmore, happily - and think he'll probably be a better fit - if he sticks - with the type of player the team will want in those middle/bottom six LW spots - and unlike Gaudette, Highmore comes at a position the team is likely to see a few veteran expirations over the next year - so arguably, more of an organizational need.

Edited June 2, 2021 by oldnews

[AV.]

4 minutes ago, Me_ said:

You complain. Nothing more, nothing less.

There is no help in your post whatsoever.

 

Please review what Helping means.

What you think is a complaint is actually just an observation.  But because this observation is not pro-Canucks or demonstrates fawning over the work of management, you take it to be something negative in your imagination.  Reading is hard, I know.

 

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[DeNiro]

His name is NHL ready.

 

Hopefully he develops into a good two way bottom 6 for us. We’re gonna need as many options there as possible to replace those aging vets.

[Ilya Mikheyev]

12 minutes ago, -AJ- said:

I would contest this bit--the .589 point percentage is the 3rd highest out of eight Comets years. Quite respectable I'd say, albeit not amazing or anything.

Yeah sure, but they came 12th in the league in win percentage, didn't make the playoffs, and are losing potentially most of their top-6 - so it's good they have some cavalry coming in Plasek