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6 hours ago, Alflives said:

Excellent hire getting Shaw.  Part of me thinks hiring Shaw is a contingency too.  If we do poorly again, then Shaw could be promoted to head coach if Green gets fired.  Clearly no one wants that to happen, but it’s good to be ready if crap happens.  

Exactly what I thought the associate coach role he referred to in interview has some meaning I believe. High chance in case Green is fired he will act as the replacement. I believe he is worthy of head coach role after 15 years in nhl as assistant etc.

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1 hour ago, RU SERIOUS said:

I agree and have been saying the exact same that ALL the coaching staff including Green - excluding Clark - should have been turfed.   Not to mention Uncle Jim.  

 

We're now going into season 8 with JB and the team actually finished worse off this year that 7 years ago when he took over and we're still going backwards.   This team is years away from being a serious contender.  just watch the playoffs now and try telling me that we can compete with those teams now.  Not a chance..................!

Agreed.  Based on results and how many pieces this team is still missing, JB should have been shown the door.  Some promising young pieces but really  nothing else.  Last year's  playoff anomaly was unfortunate as it made management and ownership the team was better than it is. 

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36 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

so we have the best goalie coach with all the negotiating power, but Jim's an idiot because he left it too long, which he actually didn't because he got it done, but he's bad because he had negating power and didn't use it, which he didn't have. 

 

Now thats a Benning hate logic pretzel

Now that is a delicious phrase! 

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4 hours ago, mordekai said:

Shaw told us why it was taking so long on in yesterday’s interview.

Brown was under contract and Shaw and green had to discuss without anyone’s knowledge. They only made the announcement once browns contract was up and not renewed as opposed to firing brown with weeks left in his contract. 
that’s not dragging that’s class!

There it is.

Dominos and jigsaw pieces falling into place while we all clutch and grab.

The organization fits it together then comes at us with a big announcement.

 

Suits me just fine.:towel:

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9 minutes ago, DIBdaQUIB said:

Agreed.  Based on results and how many pieces this team is still missing, JB should have been shown the door.  Some promising young pieces but really  nothing else.  Last year's  playoff anomaly was unfortunate as it made management and ownership the team was better than it is. 

I disagree. I think benning knows when to take a shot. he always had 2022-23 circled, but last year he recognized that the team had some juice and did what he had to do to capitalize on that and get them some incredible experience and a taste of winning in the playoffs, invaluable going forward. 

 

that being said, I think he either underestimated the impact in the room of letting some important players go, or he had his hands tied completely by ownership. 

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On 6/9/2021 at 1:53 PM, Convincing John said:

Coaching is obviously important but people go off the rails about it and it’s totally uncalled for. 
 

you want a better power play? How about a point shot? Or a PMRHD to complement Quinn.
Most of our problems are holes in the lineup. There isn’t this drastic variation in systems across the league like many imply. We need some very big pieces to become a better team, coaching will do little to change that. 

I see people complain about us just dumping and chasing all the time. Is green supposed to implement a puck possession style with the bottom 6 he has? It’s all about fitting the style with the players you have. That goes for the forwards and the D. We need an identity. We don’t really have one. 

We have that point shot in Boeser. Still blows my mind that they can have Boeser and Pettersson on each side who can rip one timers better than 99% of the NHL, with an elite offensive/puck moving d man in Hughes and our pp struggles so much. I’d also have Hoglander on the first unit. Elite hands, can retrieve pucks and is more creative than anyone on our team besides Petey/Hughes. 

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50 minutes ago, tas said:

I disagree. I think benning knows when to take a shot. he always had 2022-23 circled, but last year he recognized that the team had some juice and did what he had to do to capitalize on that and get them some incredible experience and a taste of winning in the playoffs, invaluable going forward. 

 

that being said, I think he either underestimated the impact in the room of letting some important players go, or he had his hands tied completely by ownership. 

I think he also just had to make some hard decisions.

 

I'm sure he'd have loved to have brought Tanev back for two years but there's no way we should have matched Calgary's offer either.

 

I'm sure he'd have loved to keep Demko and Marky together for another year or two and eventually trade Marky for an asset. ED threw a wrench in to that.

 

Toffoli would have been nice to keep and that was evidently the plan before a global pandemic cocked that up. Even then, Benning was reportedly, furiously, trying to move cap to still make it happen. In hindsight it would have been nice to simply let Virtanen walk to get at least part way there (or even better have moved him last year when I wanted to move him). But of course the usual suspects would have been whining about letting a young player go for free as well... So a no win situation really :lol:

 

Man makes plans...

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On 6/9/2021 at 1:57 PM, Pears said:

Happy with all of these except Baumgartner being back. 

Same here.  I am hoping that his role would be different and allow for Shaw to be in charge of defensemen group and allow Baumgartner getting different perspective while doing a different role.  I'm not exactly sure of his role for next season.

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3 minutes ago, coolboarder said:

Same here.  I am hoping that his role would be different and allow for Shaw to be in charge of defensemen group and allow Baumgartner getting different perspective while doing a different role.  I'm not exactly sure of his role for next season.

Per Green, it is coaching by committee. No one has a defined role other than him having the final call. But if we have to assign something to the coaches it is most likely.

Green: Forwards

Shaw: Defense/PP

Baumer: PK

King: PP

Gustafson: eye in the sky + skills + Abby duty. 

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37 minutes ago, tas said:

I disagree. I think benning knows when to take a shot. he always had 2022-23 circled, but last year he recognized that the team had some juice and did what he had to do to capitalize on that and get them some incredible experience and a taste of winning in the playoffs, invaluable going forward. 

 

that being said, I think he either underestimated the impact in the room of letting some important players go, or he had his hands tied completely by ownership. 

It is most likely both. Ownership turned the money tab off, understandably, causing JB to really choose between keeping players or getting new ones. 

IMO, the biggest mistake last off season was qualifying Jake. Woth him gine, we might have been able to get Tofu done. Though that may have costs us Hamonic. 

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1 hour ago, Sean Monahan said:

 

I believe they’ve also had two interviews with Tocchet as well. There’s a real possibility that Gallant will still be without a head coaching job come opening night. 

I think Clark is/was well aware he could’ve had 20+ teams interested in his services should he decide to test the waters. He signed here for 5 years nonetheless. 
 

We also don’t know anything about it from Clark’s side. It’s possible he wasn’t interested in negotiating during the season. Many players go that route. 

Except we do know that it was a management decision because Benning actually said it was.

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1 hour ago, aGENT said:

I think he also just had to make some hard decisions.

 

I'm sure he'd have loved to have brought Tanev back for two years but there's no way we should have matched Calgary's offer either.

 

I'm sure he'd have loved to keep Demko and Marky together for another year or two and eventually trade Marky for an asset. ED threw a wrench in to that.

 

Toffoli would have been nice to keep and that was evidently the plan before a global pandemic cocked that up. Even then, Benning was reportedly, furiously, trying to move cap to still make it happen. In hindsight it would have been nice to simply let Virtanen walk to get at least part way there (or even better have moved him last year when I wanted to move him). But of course the usual suspects would have been whining about letting a young player go for free as well... So a no win situation really :lol:

 

Man makes plans...

So how do you square that with both Tanev and Toffoli saying they never received a contract offer from Benning and that there was basically no contact from the team? Until they had already accepted in principal other offers.

 

Its clear keeping either wasnt a priority for Benning. Revisionist history doesnt change that it was his choice. And he had the right to make it which he did. But trying to lay blame at the players feet when no one knows if he actually had to match the offers they ultimately signed for them to stay is kind of unfair. Both clearly wanted to stay. They may have accepted less to do so, we will never know. It seems like it might have been prudent to offer them lesser terms (if that was the plan) before they got any other offers though, dont you think?

 

Benning made a bad call on both by not even exploring what it might take to keep them. I suspect he saw OEL as the replacement for Tanev which is where his focus was.

 

How you treat players does matter. It would have been easy to keep at least some line of communication open with them if he truly wanted them back. He clearly didn't though until it was too late.

 

Edit: Totally agree that they should have let Virtanen walk to make it happen and that they actually should have traded him the year before. I would have lost no sleep if they let him walk to keep Toffoli, young guy or not.

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3 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said:

So how do you square that with both Tanev and Toffoli saying they never received a contract offer from Benning 

Toffoli because he was trying to clear cap and had already qualified Virtanen (I wish we'd traded him and Gaudette LAST season).

 

Tanev because he wasn't going to match the Calgary offer and he was looking at ways to improve our D and didn't want to commit to Tanev (status quo) before exploring options of improving elsewhere.

 

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14 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said:

Except we do know that it was a management decision because Benning actually said it was.

Doesn’t address my other point. Clark is aware he could basically dictate his terms to a great numbers of teams should he decide to go that route but nonetheless he signed a 5 year deal to stay in Vancouver. As far as we know he didn’t have talks, or serious talks, with other teams. Does it really seem like JB erred and nearly lost Clark?

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