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1 minute ago, Sean Monahan said:

Doesn’t address my other point. Clark is aware he could basically dictate his terms to a great numbers of teams should he decide to go that route but nonetheless he signed a 5 year deal to stay in Vancouver. As far as we know he didn’t have talks, or serious talks, with other teams. Does it really seem like JB erred and nearly lost Clark?

No way of knowing for sure he did or didnt. Leaving a contract hanging until the last minute definitely added risk of that happening though. And it looks like it cost Benning a big contract in the end. 

 

Based on what Benning said not long ago about the financial uncertainties surrounding the team, do you really believe a 5 year deal was Benning's preferred choice and idea? Doubtful.

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4 minutes ago, aGENT said:

Toffoli because he was trying to clear cap and had already qualified Virtanen (I wish we'd traded him and Gaudette LAST season).

 

Tanev because he wasn't going to match the Calgary offer and he was looking at ways to improve our D and didn't want to commit to Tanev (status quo) before exploring options of improving elsewhere.

 

He had the cap for Toffoli though. He chose where to use it, first with Virtanen then with Holtby and Schmidt.

 

Like I said, how you treat players matters. And leaving Tanev twisting in the wind to chase OEL (a very stupid pursuit that thankfully did not happen) was a huge mistake. OEL would not be an improvement on Tanev at his cap hit btw. Benning chose to wait until Calgary made their offer. He had a lot of time to lock up Tanev before that.

 

And hindsight certainly shows that he didnt upgrade the defense letting Tanev go.

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On 6/9/2021 at 1:34 PM, Pickly said:

Not thrilled about having Baumgartner back. Dont expect much of a difference in defensive philosophy next season. 

maybe we will have a "De-coach - De-coach donnybrook" and next season we can blame the failure on a disjointed coaching staff

O'l Jimmer hasn't used that excuse yet

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On 6/9/2021 at 1:36 PM, Googlie said:

Good that Higgy has been renewed too

what did he do to warrant your support?

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9 minutes ago, aGENT said:

Well we did need a goalie...and D. And Schmidt (despite his off year) was a no-brainer trade.

 

Virtanen was an error given hindsight. The same people complaining about Toffoli would have been complaining about letting Virtanen walk for nothing. I wouldn't be surprised if Benning was likely attempting to use qualified Virtanen's rights to move some of that cap to add Toffoli actually. When Toffoli signed elsewhere...

 

Sure. By most accounts, players are treated quite well and fairly by Vancouver/Benning.

 

You have no idea what OEL's cap would have been or what cap we might have moved out. 

 

He didn't want to. He was looking for ways to improve, not maintain the status quo of a rebuilding team that wasn't good enough. 

 

I disagree. May not have showed this season (for a myriad of reasons) but I 100% swap Tanev and Stectcher for Schmidt and Hamonic any day. 

Well put man, as usual. I was pretty salty that we didn't sign Tofu, but it is what it is at this point. Cap was supposed to go up and it didn't. I do believe some of the players weren't happy with not bringing him back, but I think they're professionals at the end of the day. If they get pissy about not resigning a player, that would reflect pretty bad on their overall attitude.

 

I wasn't a huge fan of letting Tanev walk either, especially with how he's played in Calgary, but the term was too long. 

 

I really do hope we keep Schmidt and Hamonic, I'm actually pretty optimistic for next season.

 

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2 hours ago, tas said:

I disagree. I think benning knows when to take a shot. he always had 2022-23 circled, but last year he recognized that the team had some juice and did what he had to do to capitalize on that and get them some incredible experience and a taste of winning in the playoffs, invaluable going forward. 

 

that being said, I think he either underestimated the impact in the room of letting some important players go, or he had his hands tied completely by ownership. 

I think his value on making the playoffs at the expense of a longer vision was a mistake.  Whether to please fans or ownership, it set the team back and the value of the playoffs is questionable based on what we saw this year.  Patience and a good plan will get a team to the level they need to compete.  Enough of throwing $&!# at a wall hoping something sticks.  

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1 minute ago, DIBdaQUIB said:

I think his value on making the playoffs at the expense of a longer vision was a mistake.  Whether to please fans or ownership, it set the team back and the value of the playoffs is questionable based on what we saw this year.  Patience and a good plan will get a team to the level they need to compete.  Enough of throwing $&!# at a wall hoping something sticks.  

how was it at the expense of the long term? how did it set the team back?

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10 hours ago, Bertuzzipunch said:

Dont forget we also have silvos. Ppl still wanna draft wallstead tho like cmon :picard:

Having depth and a position of strength isn’t a bad thing. If Wallstedt is the BPA at 9, I 100% recommend taking him. 


Can always find a player in a position of need and acquire him using DiPietro, Silovs, Wallstedt as a trade chip. 

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12 hours ago, wallstreetamigo said:

It sounds like Baumgartner is still in charge of the defense and the PK, King will be in charge of the forwards and PP, and Shaw will be more of a big picture planning resource for Green.

 

I hope he is more than that. Baumgartner and King do not inspire confidence in me tbh.

We still have a very inexperienced coaching staff if King and Bum are in charge of the main F/D/PP/PK . I think it is way to early to say what Shaw's role is going to be, but I hope he is here to push Green and if we fall flat on our face next season, Shaw might get an interim HC opportunity with us if things are still a tire fire like years past.

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31 minutes ago, aGENT said:

Well we did need a goalie...and D. Probably a LOT more so than a winger BTW (where we're organizationally deepest).

 

And Schmidt (despite his off year) was a no-brainer trade.

 

Virtanen was an error given hindsight. The same people complaining about Toffoli would have been complaining about letting Virtanen walk for nothing. I wouldn't be surprised if Benning was likely attempting to use qualified Virtanen's rights to move some of that cap to add Toffoli actually. When Toffoli signed elsewhere...

 

Sure. By most accounts, players are treated quite well and fairly by Vancouver/Benning.

 

You have no idea what OEL's cap would have been or what cap we might have moved out. 

 

He didn't want to. He was looking for ways to improve, not maintain the status quo of a rebuilding team that wasn't good enough. 

 

I disagree. May not have showed this season (for a myriad of reasons) but I 100% swap Tanev and Stectcher for Schmidt and Hamonic any day. 

The point is we could have had a goalie, ad, AND a top 6 winger. We didnt need a 4.6 million backup. Get rid of Virtanen and sign a veteran backup for 1.5 mil and there is the money for Toffoli while still being able to get Schmidt.

 

And who cares if people complained about getting rid of Virtanen? People complain about getting rid of Toffoli and it didnt impact anything. People complain about Benning and it didnt change anything. It was the right move for the team. 

 

And actually, by some accounts, like from Tanev and Toffoli, players are not treated well by Benning. 

 

If you think Arizona would be taking back a garbage contract or retaining a significant portion of OEL's contract you arent paying attention. The whole point for them was to get out from under it. They may have taken shorter term dead cap contracts back but how does that help the Canucks to take on an even longer, $&!#tier contract?

 

We could have had Schmidt, Tanev, AND Hamonic if he played his cards right. I think that would have been even better.

 

Hamonic was really only good because he was on a cheap contract. Not a guy you commit longer term money to. He was not as effective with Hughes as Tanev was.

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1 hour ago, aGENT said:

Well we did need a goalie...and D. Probably a LOT more so than a winger BTW (where we're organizationally deepest).

 

And Schmidt (despite his off year) was a no-brainer trade.

 

Virtanen was an error given hindsight. The same people complaining about Toffoli would have been complaining about letting Virtanen walk for nothing. I wouldn't be surprised if Benning was likely attempting to use qualified Virtanen's rights to move some of that cap to add Toffoli actually. When Toffoli signed elsewhere...

 

Sure. By most accounts, players are treated quite well and fairly by Vancouver/Benning.

 

You have no idea what OEL's cap would have been or what cap we might have moved out. 

 

He didn't want to. He was looking for ways to improve, not maintain the status quo of a rebuilding team that wasn't good enough. 

 

I disagree. May not have showed this season (for a myriad of reasons) but I 100% swap Tanev and Stectcher for Schmidt and Hamonic any day. 

I honestly don't know where people get to such assumptions as I read on here.  There's not really any cause for that kind of speculation, imo.  Nothing serious anyway

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9 minutes ago, stawns said:

I honestly don't know how people get to such assumptions as I read on here.  There's not really any cause for that kind of speculation, imo.  Nothing serious anyway

 

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54 minutes ago, Canuckster86 said:

We still have a very inexperienced coaching staff if King and Bum are in charge of the main F/D/PP/PK . I think it is way to early to say what Shaw's role is going to be, but I hope he is here to push Green and if we fall flat on our face next season, Shaw might get an interim HC opportunity with us if things are still a tire fire like years past.

Brad Shaw it seems will be running the Forwards and PP while giving Baumgartner some input and possible direction on the D and PK side, that seems to be his bigger role an possibly the associate coach, Green's right hand man, next in command

Here is an article in the province by Kuzma today and what Green and Shaw mention. 

 

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/theprovince.com/sports/hockey/nhl/vancouver-canucks/canucks-travis-green-picks-veteran-coach-brad-shaw-for-critical-role/wcm/16aeaf77-c0e9-4aa6-936c-4f18fb7cb22f/amp/

 

Canucks: Travis Green picks veteran coach Brad Shaw for critical role

'At times, I’ve been told I’m too detailed or too finite. I’ve gotten better and learned simplicity is a real important aspect ... ' — new Canucks assistant Brad Shaw

 

Author of the article:Ben Kuzma

Publishing date:Jun 10, 2021 • Last Updated 6 hours ago • 4 minute read

 

 

Travis Green, pictured, will be aided by the hiring of Brad Shaw as a Canucks' assistant coach.

The first conversation lasted an hour.

 

The second one went on for two hours.

 

When Brad Shaw wasn’t afforded an opportunity to interview as a replacement for departed Columbus head coach John Tortorella — the assistant was surprisingly not retained by the NHL club — Vancouver Canucks head coach Travis Green quickly sought permission to interview the free agent.

What the Blue Jackets may have lost in their curious decision is what the Canucks hoped to have gained Wednesday in hiring the well-travelled and highly respected Shaw as a key assistant to Green.

 

The former defensive defenceman, who logged 377 games with four NHL teams, hasn’t only guided top blueliners in a trio of coaching stops, his ability to deploy responsible mindsets will resonate with a club that has to stop the bleeding.

The league’s 26th-ranked defence and 17th-rated penalty kill will get a boost from Shaw’s knowledge because the Jackets sported the best kill in the 2018-19 season. He was also instrumental in helping Seth Jones, Zach Werenski and Vladislav Gavrikov develop into top-tier defencemen and reliable rearguards. It’s why Shaw’s name popped up in the past to fill head-coaching vacancies in Arizona, New York (Rangers), Buffalo and New Jersey, and why the Canucks will deploy the 57-year-old Cambridge, Ont., native in an expanded role.

 

Nolan Baumgartner will continue to work with defencemen and run the penalty kill but Shaw won’t be far away for some sage advice while helping direct forwards and the power play.

 

“Brad brings a lot to the table,” said Green. “Everyone looks at him like he’s a defensive coach, but he’s a lot more than that. He’s a very sharp hockey mind and is going to be able to touch a lot of areas of our team and be a good influence on our staff.

 

“We’ve (Baumgartner and Green) been together for four years and sometimes a different point of view and different set of eyes is helpful. That was a big part of it and I really enjoy talking to people who have a mind for the game. And as a coach, you want to be challenged and broaden your mind and ideas. He’s a new voice for me and somebody I can lean on and he’ll have some good words for Baumer.”

 

Columbus Blue Jackets head coach John Tortorella stands in the bench in the game against the Detroit Red Wings in May 2021. 

 

An example of Shaw’s expanded capabilities came in the 2019 playoffs. He worked with Tortorella and assistant Brad Larsen, who will interview to replace Tortorella, and the trio devised a plan that completely choked the Tampa Bay Lightning, winners of the President’s Trophy. A shocking first-round sweep of the high-octane Lightning, who had four of the league’s top-six scorers and were held to eight series goals, was made possible by a staying-above-the-puck approach and mucking and grinding through the neutral zone.

 

It worked for the first round, but the Jackets were eliminated in six games by the Boston Bruins in the second. Still, Shaw made a statement that he wasn’t a one-dimensional coach.

 

The defensive side is something I’ve done for a long time and always had a huge interest in,” he said. “Your defence has a big role and how they see the game, react and finding solutions intrigues me and always will. It’s always a challenge to get that message across.

 

“I know how I want players to play with habits and attention to detail. To have my hands in everything and have a little bit of a different job description is exciting. With Baumer, I hope to augment him in different ways by getting my point across and not being offensive.

 

“We’re all in this together. It’s getting to a comfort level where you can say what’s on your mind and by being totally honest, we’ll get further ahead. For the defence and forwards, certain habits are important across the board.

 

 

“At times, I’ve been told I’m too detailed or to finite. I’ve gotten better and learned simplicity is a real important aspect and coaching five years with Torts is as simple as it can get. He has his trigger points.”

 

Those who really got to know Shaw, label him as “a super-nice guy”. If anything, he tends to be a perfectionist and a constant drilling of fundamentals might affect some, but the Canucks could use that right now. They need direction.

 

“This is a steal for the Canucks,” said a Jackets’ insider. “You’ll see results pretty quick.”

 

The Canucks also added Kyle Gustafson as an assistant and special assignment coach. He was assistant general manager and associate coach of the WHL Portland Winterhawks and his connection with Green dates to working the junior bench together.

 

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21 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said:

The point is we could have had a goalie, ad, AND a top 6 winger. We didnt need a 4.6 million backup.

 

Get rid of Virtanen and sign a veteran backup for 1.5 mil and there is the money for Toffoli while still being able to get Schmidt.

That's nice too say but if Demko had faltered/struggled this year...?

 

21 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said:

And who cares if people complained about getting rid of Virtanen? People complain about getting rid of Toffoli and it didnt impact anything. People complain about Benning and it didnt change anything.

Will that we agree on :lol:

 

21 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said:

And actually, by some accounts, like from Tanev and Toffoli, players are not treated well by Benning. 

I'm going to go with the years of history of players who've talked about being treated well here, over a few guys during a one off, gong show pandemic year. 

 

21 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said:

If you think Arizona would be taking back a garbage contract or retaining a significant portion of OEL's contract you arent paying attention. The whole point for them was to get out from under it. They may have taken shorter term dead cap contracts back but how does that help the Canucks to take on an even longer, $&!#tier contract?

They wanted to get out from under the dollars more so than the cap. Benning may have insisted they retain and taken back Eriksson. Who the hell knows. Clearly the terms Benning was insisting on, that made sense for the Canucks, weren't palatable to Arizona.

 

No loss. Get over it. You're vilifying him for something you don't know about, that didn't happen.

 

21 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said:

We could have had Schmidt, Tanev, AND Hamonic if he played his cards right. I think that would have been even better.

Unlikely, somebody isn't signing with that depth impeding their play time. And not with Toffoli.

 

21 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said:

Hamonic was really only good because he was on a cheap contract. Not a guy you commit longer term money to. He was not as effective with Hughes as Tanev was.

Who said he was worth signing to a big term deal? He was getting a heck of a lot closer towards the middle-end of the year. Better short term fit than Tanev, who also brings more physicality for less cap.

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12 hours ago, PhillipBlunt said:

I think, at least based on what I took from Shaw's interview, is that BumG and King will be under him. He will be Green's only assistant or associate, and all other coaches outside of Clark will answer to both Shaw and Green. It sounded as though Shaw has very specific systems that he'd like the defense to utilize, and envisioned how it would impact the players. BumG will be mainly the PK, and implementing Shaw's more responsible defensive structures. Essentially Shaw was hired because of his track record with team defense, so going forward, it'll be his to mold, including how BroomGuarder coaches. 

 

I hope you’re right. I’m not sure if the Canucks rope-a-dope system in their own end is Green’s or Baumgartner’s but I’ll be happy to see the last of it. And it would be nice to apply some pressure to the puck carrier when on the PK instead of letting the opposing team set up and fire away at will.

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30 minutes ago, stawns said:

I honestly don't know where people get to such assumptions as I read on here.  There's not really any cause for that kind of speculation, imo.  Nothing serious anyway

Drance, Patterson... :lol:

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