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13 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said:

It’s called trading for a rental. Teams do it every year. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn’t. The goal is to make the playoffs and win a few rounds and have a chance at a Cup.  That’s the objective in the NHL.  Not to collect draft picks and prospects every year and miss the playoffs. At some point you have to take a shot. That’s what Benning did.  If Toffoli was not injured in the playoffs maybe we beat Vegas and go to the semi final. That was the plan.

 

You can argue the merits of trading for a rental when you are not a Stanley Cup contender but that’s what Benning did.  Bergevin make a hockey trade.  Gave up on a young stud defenceman to get his next French superstar.  It backfired on him big time and the trade ended up being one of the worst in NHL history. 

Exactly my point. Trading for a rental was a huge waste of assets. At some point you have to take a shot with a rental? Not where the Canucks were at you don't. They werent a true cup contender with or without Toffoli. Had they kept him then sure its a decent move to improve the top 6 going forward. But Benning thinking the team was a Toffoli away from being a cup contender might be the biggest mistake he has ever made.

 

Did you watch the Vegas series? Demko won 3 games by himself. The Canucks were utterly dominated. It wasnt a close series. They just received unsustainable god like goaltending while being dominated. 

 

Toffoli, Madden, and a 2nd for nothing is a bigger waste of assets than even a terrible hockey trade like the Sergachev one was. Using those assets for a longer term fit with Toffoli would have been a reasonable trade.

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5 hours ago, wallstreetamigo said:

Exactly my point. Trading for a rental was a huge waste of assets. At some point you have to take a shot with a rental? Not where the Canucks were at you don't. They werent a true cup contender with or without Toffoli. Had they kept him then sure its a decent move to improve the top 6 going forward. But Benning thinking the team was a Toffoli away from being a cup contender might be the biggest mistake he has ever made.

 

Did you watch the Vegas series? Demko won 3 games by himself. The Canucks were utterly dominated. It wasnt a close series. They just received unsustainable god like goaltending while being dominated. 

 

Toffoli, Madden, and a 2nd for nothing is a bigger waste of assets than even a terrible hockey trade like the Sergachev one was. Using those assets for a longer term fit with Toffoli would have been a reasonable trade.

First: As usual, you're just spewing garbage to support your agenda! 

 

Second: You need to find other things to do...you're on here non stop pounding into the ground your agenda! And pretty much everyone knows what that is. It's going to be a nice summer after a long pandemic, maybe go get some sunshine. 

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17 hours ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said:

What is it they say? If you don’t think it’s a cult, you’re probably in the cult. :lol:

 

I don’t mean you, Jimmy. There are just some posts and threads where things sometimes start to feel a bit culty to me.

 

And just for fun, I had a look at this article: https://blog.usejournal.com/10-signs-youre-probably-in-a-cult-1921eb5a3857

 

I’d say CDC hits on around 7/10, at least when it comes to some of the pro-Benning crowd. ;) 
 

(All in fun, guys. I don’t begrudge anyone for their unwavering faith in Benning. I kind of envy it, much the same way I sometimes envy religious faith. It’s not my bag, but to each their own. Just so long as we all keep it civil, there’s room for haters, lovers, and everything in between. :))

Sure there are a few really hard core Benning Bro's. But I think most people are somewhere in the middle, love the picks and not thrilled about the cap. I think this is Jim's last year to show some big improvement but we'll see. 

 

 

I do think this Clark thing is pretty funny tho. Its a clear win for the organization, but people have to nit pick the process. He "almost" didn't sign. I used to have a prof that said "can you be almost pregnant?" 

 

What matters is it got done, not what almost didn't. Clearly that "deadline" of Clarks wasn't really one and whatever was really going on behind the scenes allowed for some flexibility. So to have a person go on and on about how Jim made a gaffe on whats clearly a big win is pretty funny to me. 

 

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17 hours ago, SilentSam said:

0n the topic of staff changes, I was Just wondering how Leafs fans feel after Shanahan moved Lou Lamoriello out a few years back.

I think Lou is still ahead of the game as it develops,

seems others , like the Leafs,  just wannabe

 

Good to see you back Sam. Lots of finger pointing in Lafferville these days. You gotta enjoy it. Lou has a solid record. That said I didn’t think he was enjoying his time in TO. 

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13 hours ago, tas said:

... a better player than you're going to acquire by trading that best player available 5 years later, yes. 

 

 

Zach Senyshyn says hi.

 

Also there is two other players up for trade in the scenario and Wallstedt is more than likely the keeper. 

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2 hours ago, debluvscanucks said:

We had a chance to beat Vegas....doesn't matter how, just matters that they did put themselves in the position to.  So yes, it is worth taking a shot.  Besides, up until the final game that could have had the team win the series, goals were 16-14 for Vegas.  Demko didn't score ours, the players did.  

 

I'm really tired of people discounting what they DID do to make a point about what they didn't.  I wonder if Avs fans will do that?  Treat the team like total trash because "they didn't".  It's not as easy as people think.

 

Most teams that do well in the playoffs HAVE to get great goaltending, that doesn't just apply to the Canucks.  How do you think the Habs would do without Price?  Vegas could be in a different position if Fleury wasn't playing lights out (by the way, the Avs outshot them last game 33-23).

 

Being utterly dominated in a game doesn't always WIN the game...for many teams, goaltenders DO make the difference. 

 

Vegas does that (tries to steamroll all teams)...but they wear down.  Some games they look totally flat.  Look what happened AFTER the Demko deal...they fell flat on their face for awhile and lost the next series despite being "dominant".  They're not superhumans...that kind of game takes a toll and is hard to sustain.

 

I feel like you're the one underestimating how far a team can go with goaltending and some momentum on their side. 

 

The Vegas "series" didn't win Vegas the cup last year either.  They were fairly depleted.  And it WAS a close series because it went 7 games....despite the details. 

 

 

Yeah but Demko is our goalie and we all know having a good goalie negates any team success. /sarcasm

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2 hours ago, Alflives said:

How many young cores win the cup without previous playoff experience, which (of course) will be losing?  Madden and a second was well worth Tofu, and the playoff experience (taste of what it takes to win playoff hockey) that came in the bubble.  

Alfie, I think you may be missing the point Wallstreet was making. Madden and a second was worth Toffoli if TT was extended, but then we didn't even offer TT an extension. So, we gave up TT, Madden and a second and that was poor asset management. JB has given three different reasons for losing TT over time. Bottom line is he was so focused on getting OEL he dropped the ball with TT. Yes, time to move on from this mistake and I expect next year to be much better with a healthy Pete, Podz, and whatever trades JB makes this summer. Looking forward to getting an impact player at #9 as well.

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2 hours ago, Alflives said:

How many young cores win the cup without previous playoff experience, which (of course) will be losing?  Madden and a second was well worth Tofu, and the playoff experience (taste of what it takes to win playoff hockey) that came in the bubble.  

that seems to be the big divide in the argument...Some people think playoff experience isn't worth it. So the debate is over before it begins. 

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1 hour ago, stawns said:

So wins don't count if you have a good goalie?  Tell that to 90% of the teams who have won the Cup


Was Demko the best Canuck? Absolutely, but he wasn’t the only guy that played well against Vegas.

 

 

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16 hours ago, Alflives said:

Booze comes in paper bags.  Booze is good, so bags are good. :)

Igot the bar out Alf

should we drink Gin (Arbutus  Blue or Victoria) Wiskey (CC in large bottle or CC in small) Sambuca, Bailey's chocolate or Cuervo

we are eating tacos

I guess the answer would be clear except there isn't much Cuervo left

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On 6/10/2021 at 11:31 PM, Elias Pettersson said:

Sergachev for Drouin is probably one of the worst trades in the history of the NHL.  A top pairing Dman who is still only 22 for a malcontent smallish forward who's career is seemingly going downhill real fast and who may be out of the league in 2-3 years.

 

On the flip side Benning traded a 2nd round pick and a 150 pound prospect who may never even make it to the NHL for a player, Toffoli, who helped fill the void left by Boeser's injury and helped us make the playoffs where we won a couple of rounds and took Vegas to 7 games.

 

Those two trades aren't even in the same stratosphere...

however 2 seconds got both Devon Toews and Adam Fox

trading for Toffoli ( and not signing him\) is wasted assets

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26 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said:

Shaw is going to change this team in a huge way. This is such a great coaching acquisition. 

he certainly seems to have been influential  on other teams, and Torts has a pretty high regard for him.

 

Green deserves a bit of credit here too, it sounds like his discussions with Shaw were a big part of closing the deal. Green wasn't afraid to bring in a new voice. Other guys might not be happy about it. 

 

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2 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said:

Sure there are a few really hard core Benning Bro's. But I think most people are somewhere in the middle, love the picks and not thrilled about the cap. I think this is Jim's last year to show some big improvement but we'll see. 

 

 

I do think this Clark thing is pretty funny tho. Its a clear win for the organization, but people have to nit pick the process. He "almost" didn't sign. I used to have a prof that said "can you be almost pregnant?" 

 

What matters is it got done, not what almost didn't. Clearly that "deadline" of Clarks wasn't really one and whatever was really going on behind the scenes allowed for some flexibility. So to have a person go on and on about how Jim made a gaffe on whats clearly a big win is pretty funny to me. 

 

I think taken on its own the flap around the Clarke near unsigning is over blown

however people like to talk about context

and context when Jim is concerned involves a series of misses

 

Ericksson might warrent a muligan but what about Sutter, Ferland, Bartschi, .....

Toffoli should have been a priority because he had recently spent assets to get him

If he whiffed on Stecher that is not a big deal , Toffoli was a big deal

 

But back to Clarke, he was probably closer than many might have thought

I saw an interview with I Mac when he said Columbus waited too long and Clarke walked, 

you might call that fear mongering or you might call it due dilligence

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1 minute ago, lmm said:

I think taken on its own the flap around the Clarke near unsigning is over blown

however people like to talk about context

and context when Jim is concerned involves a series of misses

 

Ericksson might warrent a muligan but what about Sutter, Ferland, Bartschi, .....

Toffoli should have been a priority because he had recently spent assets to get him

If he whiffed on Stecher that is not a big deal , Toffoli was a big deal

 

But back to Clarke, he was probably closer than many might have thought

I saw an interview with I Mac when he said Columbus waited too long and Clarke walked, 

you might call that fear mongering or you might call it due dilligence

Its Clark

 

stop adding the E lol

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14 minutes ago, lmm said:

I think taken on its own the flap around the Clarke near unsigning is over blown

however people like to talk about context

and context when Jim is concerned involves a series of misses

 

Ericksson might warrent a muligan but what about Sutter, Ferland, Bartschi, .....

Toffoli should have been a priority because he had recently spent assets to get him

If he whiffed on Stecher that is not a big deal , Toffoli was a big deal

 

But back to Clarke, he was probably closer than many might have thought

I saw an interview with I Mac when he said Columbus waited too long and Clarke walked, 

you might call that fear mongering or you might call it due dilligence

Sutter:   is actually more valuable than people give him credit for.  

Ferland:  sure, I guess maybe some people's crystal ball might have projected this situation.  But we had Hamhuis as an important d man despite the fact that he'd had concussions.   So you really can't foresee how thing will unfold until they do.  He was worth taking a chance on because if he HAD been able to work through his, he's a fierce competitor. 

Baertschi too - no one could have known he'd suffer that concussion in advance.  Plus, I still feel like he could contribute here if given a chance.

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