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Just now, Bertuzzipunch said:

Can we afford ladd for 2 years tho? Why isnt he playing in the playoffs, is he injured?

Ladd (waived)+Dobson actually saves us a few hundred k of cap next year over Schmidt.

 

The year after, he's owed a $3m bonus and only $1m of actual salary. Perhaps we can convince him to take the bonus and retire to his 'home town' in to a nice coaching/management gig in Abby...

 

He's had some injury issues (knee IIRC) and his skating hasn't been NHL level for a couple years now. Still a good leader and player/coach for our AHL squad though.

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2 minutes ago, aGENT said:

Ladd (waived)+Dobson actually saves us a few hundred k of cap next year over Schmidt.

 

The year after, he's owed a $3m bonus and only $1m of actual salary. Perhaps we can convince him to take the bonus and retire to his 'home town' in to a nice coaching/management gig in Abby...

 

He's had some injury issues (knee IIRC) and his skating hasn't been NHL level for a couple years now. Still a good leader and player/coach for our AHL squad though.

Thats too bad he sure was a hell of a player in his day. Dobson hey, i think NYI are super high on him arent they i doubt they trade him.

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13 minutes ago, aGENT said:

Hence my proposal, given they're 'win now' and after the ED, of Schmidt for Dobson + Ladd (+/-).

 

They get to dump the last two years of Ladd, replace Leddy who gets taken in the ED, with Schmidt, and keep/protect Mayfield.

 

I grant it's no shoe-in, as Dobson is a hell of a piece to give up. But if they're trying to win now...

 

Pelech, Pulock

Schmidt, Mayfield

Leddy     Pulock

Pelech   Dobson

 

That's a much better top 4 in my opinion.  I think they need to package Mayfield with Ladd to free up cap space.  Dobson is going to be a stud.  They are not trading him just to keep Mayfield.

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15 minutes ago, Bertuzzipunch said:

Thats too bad he sure was a hell of a player in his day. Dobson hey, i think NYI are super high on him arent they i doubt they trade him.

I doubt it too. Hence why I said it's far from a shoe-in. He's a very good young player. But is he better than Schmidt + Mayfield + dumping Ladd the next few years while they're win now....? 

 

15 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Leddy     Pulock

Pelech   Dobson

 

That's a much better top 4 in my opinion.  I think they need to package Mayfield with Ladd to free up cap space.  Dobson is going to be a stud.  They are not trading him just to keep Mayfield.

But it's not just to keep Mayfield. They get to keep Mayfield, dump Ladd and replace a soon to be expiring Leddy with a younger, locked in for 3 additional years, Schmidt.

 

Again, I'm not suggesting this is a no brainer (and we'd likely need to add 'something'....if it's even possible). But the framework does potentially make some sense for both clubs.

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Just now, aGENT said:

I doubt it too. Hence why I said it's far from a shoe-in. He's a very good young player. But is he better than Schmidt + Mayfield +dunking Ladd the next few years while they're win now....? 

 

But it's not just to keep Mayfield. They get to keep Mayfield, dump Ladd and replace a soon to be expiring Leddy with a younger, locked in for 3 additional years, Schmidt.

 

Again, I'm not suggesting this is a no brainer (and we'd likely need to add 'something'....if it's even possible). But the framework does potentially make some sense for both clubs.

Absolutely it makes sense. Really makes sense for both teams.

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10 hours ago, N4ZZY said:

Right. But I think because of his bust potential, he’s going to be there when the Canucks do have the opportunity to pick him. 

 

I hope McTavish is there as well at 9th. Who do you think is available if McTavish is gone by 9? 

 

I’m hoping Clarke falls to us if McTavish is taken early but I’m probably dreaming.

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9 hours ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

Sorry I get nervous when people say "can't miss" with an NHL prospect. I've heard that a lot in the past with various players. And they wind up being 3-4th liners. 

 

You’re right I should’ve said highest floor rather than “can’t miss”. If they get McTavish and he turns into our third line centre I think that’s a win. I’m worried in Kent Johnson we might get another Hunter Shinkaruk type that never makes it in the NHL.

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12 minutes ago, Schmautzie said:

I’m hoping Clarke falls to us if McTavish is taken early but I’m probably dreaming.

Would be a fantastic get if one of Clark or McTavidh fall to us, but I think those two both go top five.  I’m just hoping we don’t draft Johnson or Gunther.  

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1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said:

$5.5 million.  The problem is who do you replace him with?  If you expose Leddy and he gets taken then your top 3 Dmen are all right shots plus you have Pelech.  So who plays with Pulock?

 

              Pulock

Pelech   Dobson

              Mayfield

 

Mayfield ends up on your 3rd pairing and you don't have anyone to play top minutes with Pulock.  Good luck finding a replacement for Leddy that is cheap.  A top pairing Dman even in free agency will cost you over $5 million so you are not saving any cap space.  

 

If you keep Leddy and trade Mayfield with someone like Ladd that would eliminate the cap issue, and you have your top 4 Dmen intact:

 

Leddy    Pulock

Pelech   Dobson

 

Pelech-Pulock is their top pairing.  Leddy plays with Mayfield.  He has close to 700 minutes with Mayfield vs only 65 with Pulock at 5v5 this season per Natural Stat Trick.  

  

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31 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Would be a fantastic get if one of Clark or McTavidh fall to us, but I think those two both go top five.  I’m just hoping we don’t draft Johnson or Gunther.  

I’d be happier with Guenther than Johnson. He looks like a natural goal scorer who isn’t just a perimeter player. I’d still prefer bigger bodies like McTavish or Clarke if available.

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18 hours ago, N4ZZY said:

How’s JB right in that Madden wasn’t going to be an NHL player? Isn’t it a little too early to make that judgment? 

 

You missed the "of any magnitude" I guess.  He might get some NHL games, but I don't think there'll be many, if any.  Just my opinion

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1 hour ago, Schmautzie said:

I’d be happier with Guenther than Johnson. He looks like a natural goal scorer who isn’t just a perimeter player. I’d still prefer bigger bodies like McTavish or Clarke if available.

Guenther is a pretty big boy and doesn't play a small game. Kid is a gamer, and I think will end up being the most consistent of the forwards taken this year in the NHL with the way he plays the game. If he's available at 9 I'll be ecstatic.

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1 hour ago, mll said:

 

Pelech-Pulock is their top pairing.  Leddy plays with Mayfield.  He has close to 700 minutes with Mayfield vs only 65 with Pulock at 5v5 this season per Natural Stat Trick.  

  

True that. My point still stands though. Leddy is in the top 4 LHD.  They have no one to replace him…

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20 hours ago, Alflives said:

Is Kuznetsov the player who had the cocaine problems? 

Depending on your definition of problem?

 

That description might fit 40% of NHL players...

 

 

In K's case however? He's both been caught. And had a decrease in productivity lasting 18 or 30 months.  

 

I am more concerned with his salary. And whether we need an $8 mill guy shifted to wing because its too much on our 3rd line? Thats the low end of the conversation. I do like the player, if he has it together. 

 

At the high end of possibility Kuzetsov / Pettersson / Boeser would be a wickedly talented 1st line!

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21 hours ago, wallstreetamigo said:

The signs that Hodgson was not a character guy, or at the very least his family would not allow him to be, before he was drafted were at least a possibility according to some people I have talked to. There were some warning signs. 

Maybe?

 

I never heard them.  He won OHL most sportsmanlike player. Which does not scream bad character. Closer to what I really think; I recall more him being voted by the leagues coaches as best defensive player. When coaches are voting for your work ethic and compete. He was a team captain for Brampton?

 

 

Heading into the 2008 NHL Entry Draft, Hodgson was ranked ninth among North American skaters by the NHL Central Scouting Bureau.[23] He went on to be chosen tenth overall by the Vancouver Canucks. Scouting reports and former coaches emphasized Hodgson's hockey sense and character,[22][24] while Canucks General Manager Mike Gillis cited his leadership as a strong factor in drafting him 

 

At the time, watched the WJC's in Ottawa Dec 2008, I was smitten with us selecting him. 

 

Back to the possibility?  His dad was a cabinet minister in a conservative government That lends to taking charge, albeit not necessarily ethics. And was also a union leader.  Which screams conflict of ideology from being a conservative MP. My guess is they started taking charge when CoHo started having back problems, were at odds with his injury & recovery. Lots of guys are strong willed in similar circumstance; see Jack Eichel & Pavel Bure. He was clearly never contributing defensively in the NHL in the same way. Not living up to that end of promise. Smart enough, but his body could not do it!  My own conclusion was in junior? He was outstanding with skills, execution, not edging guys with agility, power.  Then was derailed by his back and health issues, better athletes in the NHL.   

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1 hour ago, Canuck Surfer said:

Maybe?

 

I never heard them.  He won OHL most sportsmanlike player. Which does not scream bad character. Closer to what I really think; I recall more him being voted by the leagues coaches as best defensive player. When coaches are voting for your work ethic and compete. He was a team captain for Brampton?

 

 

Heading into the 2008 NHL Entry Draft, Hodgson was ranked ninth among North American skaters by the NHL Central Scouting Bureau.[23] He went on to be chosen tenth overall by the Vancouver Canucks. Scouting reports and former coaches emphasized Hodgson's hockey sense and character,[22][24] while Canucks General Manager Mike Gillis cited his leadership as a strong factor in drafting him 

 

At the time, watched the WJC's in Ottawa Dec 2008, I was smitten with us selecting him. 

 

Back to the possibility?  His dad was a cabinet minister in a conservative government That lends to taking charge, albeit not necessarily ethics. And was also a union leader.  Which screams conflict of ideology from being a conservative MP. My guess is they started taking charge when CoHo started having back problems, were at odds with his injury & recovery. Lots of guys are strong willed in similar circumstance; see Jack Eichel & Pavel Bure. He was clearly never contributing defensively in the NHL in the same way. Not living up to that end of promise. Smart enough, but his body could not do it!  My own conclusion was in junior? He was outstanding with skills, execution, not edging guys with agility, power.  Then was derailed by his back and health issues, better athletes in the NHL.   

All pretty fair comments.

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On 6/12/2021 at 12:06 PM, debluvscanucks said:

Every team's objective is to "just make the playoffs" because that's square one in getting to a cup.  

 

On paper is only that.

Square one to getting a cup is icing a competitive roster year in and year out, which is difficult to do when you are not prudent about how you manage your team’s assets. This idea that “anything can happen in the playoffs” is largely nonsense. When was the last time a team that barely squeaked into the playoffs won a cup? At the end of the day, no team is happy with just making the playoffs. If you haven’t already seen it, check out Masai Ujiri’s end of year conference call.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDDZTThhVxs

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2 hours ago, whysoserious said:

Square one to getting a cup is icing a competitive roster year in and year out, which is difficult to do when you are not prudent about how you manage your team’s assets. This idea that “anything can happen in the playoffs” is largely nonsense. When was the last time a team that barely squeaked into the playoffs won a cup? At the end of the day, no team is happy with just making the playoffs. If you haven’t already seen it, check out Masai Ujiri’s end of year conference call.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDDZTThhVxs

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What he should have said is what teams that scraped into the playoffs who werent actually a deep, talented team (rather than just underachieved in the regular season) have won cups.

 

That is not an accurate description of the Canucks after all. And the answer to that question is 0.

 

Winning the Stanley Cup is very hard. You need more than luck.

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