Dumb Nuck Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 1 hour ago, oldnews said: #confirmed. (to 'elaborate' = one-liner trolling 'champion' exposed by a mere second line lol) I’ve been a fan since day one. I want to see us win a cup in my lifetime. IMHO Green is not the coach to bring us a Cup. IMHO any time with him as our coach is wasted time. Wanting Green fired is not trolling, it’s, IMHO, the best chance we have and I’ve stuck by my convictions since he was hired. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knucklehead91 Posted June 10, 2021 Author Share Posted June 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Chris12345 said: got er Yes 6/7 teams could have been playoff teams…. Like I said… and Ottawa.. Like I said…. Was not going to be a push over. They didnt make it easy for the “top 4” teams in the division. Granted Edmonton did go 9-0 against Ottawa, but Ottawa managed 14 wins against the other 3. They went .500 with Toronto… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 6 minutes ago, knucklehead91 said: You’re missing the point. I already stated the canadian division is middle of the league. I never once said they were top. I broke it down pretty clearly. Wether or not all 7 canadian teams are bottom feeders, top tier or middle of the league, the division is equal. There are no massive advantages. The only advantages were injuries or scheduling advantages, not overall roster advantages. This is what makes it tough. Unlike the western division who had 3 bottom feeder teams, or in the east with BUF and NJD or the central with DET and CHI. There were MASSIVE advantages for 1/3 to 1/2 the games played. Also missing Pettersson and the hot streak was not something I overlooked. Thats a point you arent really understanding. This team was winning without Pettersson. With him, we would be in a playoff spot IF we didnt get decimated by COVID. Vancouver went .500 without Pettersson. Without Petey Pre-covid we went 7-3-1* Post COVID without Petey we went 7-11-2 sorry in my OP i had them as 8-3-1 pre-covid without Petey. Regardless the team was still winning without him. It wasnt until after COVID that we derailed again for a very obvious and understandable reason. With him and no COVID this team would have continued to win. Our schedule towards the end of the season was to be much lighter with more practice and rest and Vancouvers opponents were to be going through the much tougher portion of their scheduling. COVID took our lighter schedule and condensed it into 19 games in 30 days when it was originally 19 games in 45+ days. Also in a normal divisional alignment CGY and VAN were top 4 in their respective division. Comparing our division to other divisions and where we would fit is not what we are discussing. Because NSH, MIN, STL are not playoff teams in the Central div and probably not playoff teams in the East either. Next season in a normal division and no divisional restrictions, Vancouver and Calgary should be a playoff team. We will have 3 bottom feeders, an expansion team which could be a disaster or they could be like VGK but its still yet to be determined. VGK EDM VAN CGY SJS LAK ANA and SEA. Thats our division and thats a lot to look forward to. The Canucks like i said a few times now… Are closer to the middle of the league than they are the bottom. This is the optimism I am trying to bring forth to Canuck fans for next season. We are not in the same boat as LAK, ANA, SJS, DET, ARZ, CBJ, BUF etc. We are a mid tier team with an opportunity next season to make the playoffs. I do not believe I am missing your point we are going to draft 9th and you have listed 8 teams that are below us. I am not ignoring that covid played a part in our downfall this season, however covid is not the only thing that went wrong injuries also played a part, and most of our injured players are under contract for next season and likely to be injured again,(not Petey, but the rest) you might say we are closer to the middle than the bottom but I might say we are closer to the bottm than the middle because we played in a division where every team had low periods during the season and we gained points as result So you are saying glass is half full but might overflow and I am saying that the glass is half empty Tomato , Tomaatto and then there is the possible lasting effects of covid, maybe all recover and we can look back on it as a bad time, maybe some players have lingering symtoms. Motte had some lasting symtoms, came back later than the others then got hurt- you can ignore that if you wish, it might factor into next season and might not Demko also came back slower than the rest, but seemed to find his game later in the season I am not missing your point, but I believe you have taken a narrow view with a positive slant, not factoring any negative that does not suit your argument Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 20 minutes ago, knucklehead91 said: Yes 6/7 teams could have been playoff teams…. Like I said… and Ottawa.. Like I said…. Was not going to be a push over. They didnt make it easy for the “top 4” teams in the division. Granted Edmonton did go 9-0 against Ottawa, but Ottawa managed 14 wins against the other 3. They went .500 with Toronto… So te canucks came out of the covid break to play the Division champ, Toronto Maple Leafs the Canucks won both games, due in large part to Toronto not fielding a number one goalie Do you think we win both those games if they were played against any other division leader? or were we the benefactor of our weak division? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patel Bure Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 16 hours ago, knucklehead91 said: Hey everyone, so this year when I looked at the divisions at the start of the year it gave me this sense that the majority of the divisions were a 'feast or famine'. Top teams feasting on bottom teams and bottom teams starving/fighting amongst each other for their 2 points. However when I looked at the Canadian division, I had a hard time deciding what teams I thought would make the playoffs and which ones would miss the playoffs. Just with how teams were restricted to play within one division, I feel like out of all the divisions to play in, the Canadian division was the toughest on a nightly basis. Now I want to clarify when I mean the 'toughest' I mean in terms of equality, I felt like 6/7 teams were playoff teams, however 2 teams had to miss. Which 2 teams that was to be, was a toss up to me. Ottawa was the only team that I could agree with myself, was not a play off team. However Ottawa on paper did not look like they would be a push over either and they proved that the the rest of the Division that they would make teams work for their win. The fact that the Canadian div had 1 less team than the rest made it much more difficult to pick up the much needed 2 points elsewhere in the division. Canadian teams did not have an easy night for the most part. Teams in other divisions thrived in their atmosphere due to the weaker competition at the bottom of the div and the abundance of weak teams to feed on. For pretty much every other division it was pretty clear who the top 4 or 5 teams would be, when you have the 'California distress' in one division..... It's pretty obvious who is going to make the playoffs. Then in the East/Central div there are teams like DET, CHI, BUF, NJD, NYR, CBJ. Now I want to reiterate that I am not saying the Canadian division is the best division, but it was the toughest to play in, each game was fairly evenly matched and was a hard fought battle for 2 points, no matter who the opponent was. I feel like the large majority of the Canadian division is around the middle of the league to slightly above the middle of the league in a normal year. Playing in a division so tightly matched from top to bottom makes it much more difficult to battle adversity, because there are no easy LAK, SJS, ANA or BUF games to make up for the struggles throughout the season. Now I have done a bunch of research and gathered stats of head to head records etc to break down just how much more different/difficult it was to play in the Canadian division compared to all the other divisions in the league. Thus the 'feast or famine' analogy. I'll start with a couple examples and then I will break down each and every division. Im going to include goals for and goals against in this as well. So first I will start by using the example of VAN vs MTL. Montreal was 6-0-3 against Vancouver this season. Vancouver on the other hand was 3-5-1 against Montreal. The 6-0-3 record for MTL looks like they handled VAN, but it was closer than that. Same goes for Calgary, they went 7-3-0 against Vancouver, but VAN's record was 3-5-2 against CGY TOR vs VAN 5-3-1 VAN vs TOR 4-5-0 WPG vs VAN 6-3-0... VAN vs WPG 3-5-1 Now lets look at some other lower seeded teams in other divisions I'll even use teams that were close to a playoff spot ARZ vs VGK 2-5-1 ARZ vs MIN 1-7-0 LAK+SJS+ANA+ARZ combined for 5 wins vs VGK LAK+SJS+ANA+ARZ combined for 7 wins vs COL BUF had 6 wins against top 4 teams in the division CHI had 7 wins against top 4 teams in the division. Record and WIN % against top 4 teams in the respective divisions VAN 14-21-2 vs top 4 teams 39% Ottawa.. who went 0-9-0 vs EDM had a 14-21-2 record against the top 4 teams in the division, also sporting a 39% win% CGY 16-19-2 vs top 4 teams 44% The two worst teams in the Northern division were both basically .500 vs the #1 team in the division. VAN was 4-5-0 and OTT was 4-4-1 Western Div ARZ 10-19-3 31% SJS 8-19-5 25% LAK 10-17-5 31% ANA 7-19-6 22% Central Div DAL 9-12-11 28% CHI 7-19-6 22% CBJ 9-16-7 28% DET 11-17-4 34% Eastern Div NYR 11-17-4 34% PHI 12-13-7 36% NJD 9-18-5 28% BUF 6-24-2 19% In every other division top teams 'feasted' on bottom teams, who 'starved' vs top teams. Thus the 'feast or famine' divisions. Vegas had a 84% win rate versus non-playoff teams. So now lets look at Top 4 versus non-playoff teams. Northern Div TOR 16-5-4 64% EDM 21-8-0 72% WPG 18-9-1 64% MTL 13-10-5 46% - MTL is the only team in the league to have a better win% within the top 4 vs the non-playoff teams. This shows just how well rounded the Northern division was, that from top to bottom any team stood a chance on any given night. Western Div COL 25-5-2 78% VGK 27-5-0 84% MIN 25-6-1 78% STL 16-10-6 50% Eastern Div WSH 24-7-1 75% PIT 22-8-3 69% BOS 21-8-3 66% NYI 23-6-3 72% Central Div CAR 20-7-5 63% FLA 25-6-1 78% TBL 23-7-2 72% NSH 24-7-0 75% If you were to average out the top 4 win% against non-playoff teams North - 61.5% West - 72.5% East - 70.5% Central - 72% average win% vs playoff teams North - 39.6% West - 27.3% East - 28.9% Central - 28.1% The Canadian division was just barely better than a coin toss from top to bottom. It was the most well balanced division and the toughest division to win in. But that does not mean it was the best division. Just in terms of balance and nearly equal competition all around. Teams like LAK SJS ANA BUF NJD etc.... really made it easy for the good teams in the division to solidify a playoff spot. So really, despite how poorly things looked in the standings, the Canucks are much closer to the middle of the league than the bottom. We only looked like a bottom team because of how we finished in the division, which was the toughest division, plus the injuries, ridiculous scheduling and COVID. Okay now if you want to read the head to head match ups with GF - GA for the match ups.. To get a better understanding and view of the 'Feast or Famine' Here you go How to read the chart: LHS = team Across the top = record against that team and the goals scored. DIVISION REC GF-GA REC GF-GA REC GF-GA REC GF-GA REC GF-GA REC GF-GA REC GF-GA REC GF-GA CENTRAL TBL FLA NSH DAL CBJ DET CHI CAR CAR 4-3-1 18-17 6-0-2 29-19 6-2-0 24-17 6-1-1 28-18 5-1-2 28-21 4-3-1 22-20 5-2-1 30-24 FLA 5-2-1 31-24 5-2-1 29-23 6-2-0 23-20 7-0-1 32-17 6-2-0 24-16 6-2-0 31-24 2-4-2 19-29 TBL 3-5-0 24-31 6-2-0 31-21 6-2-0 27-15 5-3-0 24-24 5-2-1 21-19 7-0-1 37-19 4-3-1 17-18 NSH 2-6-0 21-31 3-5-0 23-29 5-3-0 18-24 6-2-0 23-17 6-2-0 28-15 7-0-1 26-14 2-5-1 17-24 DAL 2-5-1 15-27 2-3-3 20-23 3-0-5 24-18 5-2-1 30-17 6-2-0 27-19 3-3-2 24-22 2-4-2 18-28 CHI 1-6-1 19-37 2-4-2 24-31 1-5-2 14-26 5-2-1 22-24 6-2-0 28-22 6-2-0 30-16 3-4-1 24-30 CBJ 3-3-2 24-24 1-5-2 17-32 2-5-1 17-23 3-4-1 17-30 3-4-1 19-22 2-3-3 22-28 3-3-2 21-28 DET 3-4-1 19-21 2-4-2 16-24 2-5-1 15-28 2-3-3 19-27 4-2-2 22-19 2-5-1 16-30 4-4-0 20-22 EAST PIT BOS NYI NYR PHI NJD BUF WSH WSH 2-2-4 24-29 4-4-0 25-26 6-2-0 24-18 4-4-0 23-26 6-2-0 33-24 8-0-0 32-19 6-1-1 30-21 PIT 3-4-1 19-21 6-2-0 26-19 6-2-0 31-25 3-4-1 27-32 6-1-1 33-21 7-1-0 31-14 6-2-0 29-24 BOS 5-3-0 21-19 3-3-2 18-21 5-3-0 22-18 6-1-1 32-20 3-3-2 17-17 7-1-0 32-16 4-2-2 26-25 NYI 2-4-2 19-26 5-2-1 21-18 6-2-0 23-12 5-1-2 23-17 6-2-0 23-14 6-1-1 29-17 2-5-1 18-24 NYR 2-4-2 25-31 3-4-1 18-22 2-5-1 12-23 4-3-1 34-20 6-2-0 35-19 6-1-1 27-19 4-4-0 26-23 PHI 5-3-0 32-27 2-4-2 20-32 3-1-4 17-23 4-3-1 20-34 4-4-0 27-28 5-3-0 23-24 2-5-1 24-33 NJD 2-6-0 21-33 5-1-2 17-17 2-5-1 14-23 2-6-0 19-35 4-3-1 28-27 4-3-1 27-27 0-6-2 19-32 BUF 1-7-0 14-31 1-6-1 16-32 2-6-0 17-29 2-4-0 19-27 3-3-2 24-23 4-3-1 27-27 2-5-1 21-30 WEST VGK MIN STL ARZ SJS LAK ANA COL COL 4-3-1 17-18 5-2-1 31-25 5-3-0 26-21 6-1-1 35-19 6-2-0 30-19 7-1-0 28-12 6-1-1 30-19 VGK 3-4-1 24-24 6-1-1 34-19 6-2-0 23-18 8-0-0 33-14 6-2-0 30-19 7-1-0 29-13 4-4-0 18-17 MIN 5-1-2 24-24 2-4-2 19-35 7-1-0 32-12 5-2-1 32-23 6-2-0 25-21 7-1-0 24-14 3-5-0 25-31 STL 2-4-2 19-34 6-1-1 35-19 3-4-1 22-23 5-1-2 29-25 3-4-1 17-24 5-1-2 26-19 3-5-0 21-26 ARZ 2-5-1 18-23 1-7-0 12-32 5-2-1 23-22 5-2-1 33-25 3-4-1 23-22 6-1-1 25-17 2-5-1 19-35 SJS 0-6-2 14-33 3-5-0 23-32 3-3-2 25-29 3-4-1 25-33 6-2-0 25-20 4-3-1 20-22 2-5-1 19-30 LAK 2-6-0 19-30 2-3-3 21-25 5-1-2 24-17 5-3-0 22-23 2-5-1 20-25 4-3-1 25-22 1-7-0 12-28 ANA 1-5-2 13-29 1-5-2 14-24 3-5-0 19-26 2-4-2 17-25 4-3-1 22-20 4-4-0 22-25 2-4-2 19-30 NORTH EDM WPG MTL CGY OTT VAN TOR TOR 6-1-2 31-19 6-4-0 30-28 7-2-1 34-25 6-2-1 25-21 5-2-2 35-32 5-3-1 32-23 EDM 7-2-0 34-22 4-4-1 22-26 6-4-0 34-28 9-0-0 41-18 6-4-0 33-29 3-5-1 19-31 WPG 2-7-9 22-34 6-3-0 31-28 6-2-1 30-20 6-4-0 32-25 6-3-0 27-17 4-4-2 28-30 MTL 5-2-2 26-22 3-3-3 28-31 3-6-0 15-24 4-4-2 24-31 6-0-3 41-26 3-6-1 25-34 CGY 4-6-0 28-34 3-5-1 20-30 6-3-0 24-15 3-5-1 28-31 7-3-0 35-26 3-5-1 21-25 OTT 0-9-0 18-41 4-5-1 25-32 6-3-1 31-24 6-3-0 31-28 3-4-2 20-30 4-4-1 32-35 VAN 4-6-0 29-33 3-5-1 17-27 3-5-1 26-41 3-5-2 26-35 6-3-0 30-20 4-5-0 23-32 For me personally I view this as a sign of hope for a much more exciting and competitive year for the Canucks, despite all that we battled, we were slightly under .500 Thats without Pettersson for 30 games, the toughest scheduling in the league to start the season and to end the season. As well as being decimated by COVID and never really recovering from that. Imagine if we had Pettersson for those 30 games. We went 14-14-2 from the day Pettersson was shut down. Or did everyone forget the 7 wins in 8 games prior to COVID? Imagine if we had him even with COVID I think Pettersson would have helped us win at least 5 games of the 14 losses. With those 5 wins, we would be in the playoffs and Montreal would be out. Which by the way Vancouver, Ottawa and Calgary would all be in a playoff spot in 5 wins and under. As for the other divisions..... Buffalo would need 12 more wins to TIE NYI and 13 wins to make it into a playoff spot. NJD would need 8 to tie and 9 to get in, same goes for DET and CBJ 8, 8 to tie and 9 to get in. ANA 10 to tie 11 to get in, LAK and SJS would need 7 to tie and 8 to get in. The NYR who were 5th, would need 6 wins to make it into the playoffs.... Vancouver had a rough start but in the 12 games after Pettersson was shut down and leading up to COVID Vancouver went 8-3-1 The boys were heating up. It's really unfortunate we got COVID.... Anyways, I hope this post can bring some positivity to a such an unfortunate season. There was also the emergence of Hoglander, Boeser regained his confidence and played a full season and was one of our better players and Demko continued to build on his magical playoff performance. Keep your heads up and be proud of the boys and what they battled through this year and look forward to the 2021-22 season!! We are a lot closer than you think! @DSVII There ya go, my 'feast or famine' outlook on the season! This is an awesome post and analysis and I especially agree with your conclusion. While I don't want to say with certainty that we would have caught Montreal, the fact of the matter is that we were playing some excellent hockey before the outbreak. Demko was playing like a top 3 goalie in the league, and the Canucks were winning these games without their best player in Pettersson. Now for next season, add Podkolzin to the mix and I think the Canucks will have a legit shot of making the playoffs this coming season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knucklehead91 Posted June 10, 2021 Author Share Posted June 10, 2021 9 minutes ago, lmm said: I do not believe I am missing your point we are going to draft 9th and you have listed 8 teams that are below us. I am not ignoring that covid played a part in our downfall this season, however covid is not the only thing that went wrong injuries also played a part, and most of our injured players are under contract for next season and likely to be injured again,(not Petey, but the rest) you might say we are closer to the middle than the bottom but I might say we are closer to the bottm than the middle because we played in a division where every team had low periods during the season and we gained points as result So you are saying glass is half full but might overflow and I am saying that the glass is half empty Tomato , Tomaatto and then there is the possible lasting effects of covid, maybe all recover and we can look back on it as a bad time, maybe some players have lingering symtoms. Motte had some lasting symtoms, came back later than the others then got hurt- you can ignore that if you wish, it might factor into next season and might not Demko also came back slower than the rest, but seemed to find his game later in the season I am not missing your point, but I believe you have taken a narrow view with a positive slant, not factoring any negative that does not suit your argument Ummm dude, you missed the point. The league wide standings are not reflective of where a team fits in the league. Each division is a mini season on its own as we do not face any team outside our division. And in our division as we are speaking, no other team lost their #1 player. Harder scheduling (see the post about the canucks and where we fit) AND had COVID. And yes we had the most injuries within our division and top 5 for most injuries in the league on forward. Soooo when you play teams you are fairly evenly matched, then factor in the the loss of Pettersson to the no losses in the top 6 for EDM, TOR, 15-20 game losses for MTL and WPG with Ehlers and Gallagher, the playing field begins to tilt. The fact that our record vs the rest of the division is around .400 is pretty impressive considering what we went through this season that no other team in the division or the league experienced. Noww what does that say about Edmonton, Toronto and Winnipeg?? What happens when they lose a top 6 player?? Oh wait, Toronto blew a 3-1 series lead, Winterpigs got swept and shutting down McDiver resulted in Edmonton getting swept. Those teams struggled without a top 6 guy or when their 1 or 2 guys got shut down. Vancouver went .500 from the day Pettersson got shut down and we even went 7-1 from the day he got shut down. It wasnt until COVID that the wheels really fell off. This team is much better than where we finished. Its because of a divisional restriction that we look like a team closer to the bottom. When next season, no COVID and a healthy team… we are much closer to the middle of the league. Going by your narrative that because Vancouver finished 24th in the league they are closer to the bottom of the league and Toronto who finished 6th overall is closer to the presidents trophy….. nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salacious Crumb Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 29 minutes ago, Patel Bure said: This is an awesome post and analysis and I especially agree with your conclusion. While I don't want to say with certainty that we would have caught Montreal, the fact of the matter is that we were playing some excellent hockey before the outbreak. Demko was playing like a top 3 goalie in the league, and the Canucks were winning these games without their best player in Pettersson. Now for next season, add Podkolzin to the mix and I think the Canucks will have a legit shot of making the playoffs this coming season. Looking at our division next season obviously Vegas is a lock to make the playoffs. I suspect we scrap it out with Seattle and Edmonton for 2nd or 3rd in the Pacific. There’s a few posters that will be crying in their beer next year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 10 minutes ago, knucklehead91 said: Ummm dude, you missed the point. The league wide standings are not reflective of where a team fits in the league. Each division is a mini season on its own as we do not face any team outside our division. And in our division as we are speaking, no other team lost their #1 player. Harder scheduling (see the post about the canucks and where we fit) AND had COVID. And yes we had the most injuries within our division and top 5 for most injuries in the league on forward. Soooo when you play teams you are fairly evenly matched, then factor in the the loss of Pettersson to the no losses in the top 6 for EDM, TOR, 15-20 game losses for MTL and WPG with Ehlers and Gallagher, the playing field begins to tilt. The fact that our record vs the rest of the division is around .400 is pretty impressive considering what we went through this season that no other team in the division or the league experienced. Noww what does that say about Edmonton, Toronto and Winnipeg?? What happens when they lose a top 6 player?? Oh wait, Toronto blew a 3-1 series lead, Winterpigs got swept and shutting down McDiver resulted in Edmonton getting swept. Those teams struggled without a top 6 guy or when their 1 or 2 guys got shut down. Vancouver went .500 from the day Pettersson got shut down and we even went 7-1 from the day he got shut down. It wasnt until COVID that the wheels really fell off. This team is much better than where we finished. Its because of a divisional restriction that we look like a team closer to the bottom. When next season, no COVID and a healthy team… we are much closer to the middle of the league. Going by your narrative that because Vancouver finished 24th in the league they are closer to the bottom of the league and Toronto who finished 6th overall is closer to the presidents trophy….. nope. Dudeness 3 times you say I miss your point maybe its best I just agree with you you are right, brilliant perhaps the Canucks will be mediocre next season lets all rejoice but not just mediocre, but mediocrer than the rest your arguement is mediocre, slanted, tilted, one-eyed and perfect, sublimely so and me, poor me I cannot grasp the beauty of your mediocrety I dream of greatness and yet cannot sieze the middle road you offer and presented with graphs so brite and words contrite I wither, wonder, wonder why, what wizardly wonder, whizzed past me by? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knucklehead91 Posted June 10, 2021 Author Share Posted June 10, 2021 1 hour ago, lmm said: So te canucks came out of the covid break to play the Division champ, Toronto Maple Leafs the Canucks won both games, due in large part to Toronto not fielding a number one goalie Do you think we win both those games if they were played against any other division leader? or were we the benefactor of our weak division? Good thing you can read And its a good thing we are playing within our division like ive said countless times just like i said the division IS MIDDLE OF THE F***ing league. Toronto edmonton winnipeg calgary MIDDLE OF THE LEAGUE. Do you follow me so far? Heres what are “benefits” aka advantages…. TBL can lose Kuch for a season, stammer for a large portion and Hedman and still make the playoffs by a large margin. Because of teams like DET, CBJ, CHI: Advantage ANA, LAK, SJS, ARZ vs COL, VGK, STL, MIN: Disadvantage WSH, PIT, BOS, NYI vs NYR, PHI, NJD, BUD: advantage MTL, TOR, WPG, EDM, CGY, VAN, OTT. No real advantages, its nearly balanced. Your excuse for Vancouver beating Toronto because of a backup goalie is the most pathetic excuse. We JUST CAME BACK FROM COVID, no pettersson, still lingering effects, no excuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knucklehead91 Posted June 10, 2021 Author Share Posted June 10, 2021 29 minutes ago, lmm said: Dudeness 3 times you say I miss your point maybe its best I just agree with you you are right, brilliant perhaps the Canucks will be mediocre next season lets all rejoice but not just mediocre, but mediocrer than the rest your arguement is mediocre, slanted, tilted, one-eyed and perfect, sublimely so and me, poor me I cannot grasp the beauty of your mediocrety I dream of greatness and yet cannot sieze the middle road you offer and presented with graphs so brite and words contrite I wither, wonder, wonder why, what wizardly wonder, whizzed past me by? Coming from the guy with both eyes closed. My slanted tilted one-eyed view is a lot wider than yours. The maple laugh bandwagon is —-> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knucklehead91 Posted June 10, 2021 Author Share Posted June 10, 2021 31 minutes ago, lmm said: Dudeness 3 times you say I miss your point maybe its best I just agree with you you are right, brilliant perhaps the Canucks will be mediocre next season lets all rejoice but not just mediocre, but mediocrer than the rest your arguement is mediocre, slanted, tilted, one-eyed and perfect, sublimely so and me, poor me I cannot grasp the beauty of your mediocrety I dream of greatness and yet cannot sieze the middle road you offer and presented with graphs so brite and words contrite I wither, wonder, wonder why, what wizardly wonder, whizzed past me by? If your not going to bring any positivity to these forums or this team you can leave. We wont miss “fans” like you You have zero faith or optimism about this team. Leave these forums and leave this team in the rear view, the kraken will gladly accept fake fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EP Phone Home Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 It will be good to get back to the pacific division aside from the switch of Arizona/Houston going to the central and Seattle coming in. I imagine Seattle will be competitive but not the juggernaut out of the gate like Vegas was. The Cali teams are rebuilding right now so I think we will be in the higher half of the pacific with the Alberta teams and Vegas. Just what others have said. This season and division doesn’t determine us as a bad team. Add in Pods and some tinkering with our new coaching staff, we will back to bursting playoff dreams like we did in the bubble. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure2Win Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 16 hours ago, Dumb Nuck said: Fire Green and we can forgo all the excuses and start celebrating winning a Cup. I think you mean fire Benning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumb Nuck Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, Bure2Win said: I think you mean fire Benning. Absolutely, but you spelt Green wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 2 hours ago, knucklehead91 said: Good thing you can read And its a good thing we are playing within our division like ive said countless times just like i said the division IS MIDDLE OF THE F***ing league. Toronto edmonton winnipeg calgary MIDDLE OF THE LEAGUE. Do you follow me so far? Heres what are “benefits” aka advantages…. TBL can lose Kuch for a season, stammer for a large portion and Hedman and still make the playoffs by a large margin. Because of teams like DET, CBJ, CHI: Advantage ANA, LAK, SJS, ARZ vs COL, VGK, STL, MIN: Disadvantage WSH, PIT, BOS, NYI vs NYR, PHI, NJD, BUD: advantage MTL, TOR, WPG, EDM, CGY, VAN, OTT. No real advantages, its nearly balanced. Your excuse for Vancouver beating Toronto because of a backup goalie is the most pathetic excuse. We JUST CAME BACK FROM COVID, no pettersson, still lingering effects, no excuses. 2 hours ago, knucklehead91 said: Coming from the guy with both eyes closed. My slanted tilted one-eyed view is a lot wider than yours. The maple laugh bandwagon is —-> 2 hours ago, knucklehead91 said: If your not going to bring any positivity to these forums or this team you can leave. We wont miss “fans” like you You have zero faith or optimism about this team. Leave these forums and leave this team in the rear view, the kraken will gladly accept fake fans you are adorable when you are angry Buddy let me give you some pointers from Robertos Rule of how to lose an arguement 1 start by calling your opponent "Dude, Buddy, Mack or Son" this really lets them know that you are superior and they are your inferior. 2 if they disagree with you, YELL. that lets them know you are a well thought out person, ( and probably right) 3 never answer any of their questions (don't give them the satisfaction that you even consider their arguement) 3A keep repeating yourself (repeating+ yelling = obvious win) 4 Call them a Leafs fan 5 Tell them to leave the site because they are unworthy DudemanBuddymackSon your tha King-O-theHeap you're argumint that playing ina inferiour division makes us better is classic reverse scycolojie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Dumb Nuck said: Absolutely, but you spelt Green wrong. Spelt Green sounds like a hippy salad or a vegan sandwich 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knucklehead91 Posted June 11, 2021 Author Share Posted June 11, 2021 (edited) 55 minutes ago, lmm said: you are adorable when you are angry Buddy let me give you some pointers from Robertos Rule of how to lose an arguement 1 start by calling your opponent "Dude, Buddy, Mack or Son" this really lets them know that you are superior and they are your inferior. 2 if they disagree with you, YELL. that lets them know you are a well thought out person, ( and probably right) 3 never answer any of their questions (don't give them the satisfaction that you even consider their arguement) 3A keep repeating yourself (repeating+ yelling = obvious win) 4 Call them a Leafs fan 5 Tell them to leave the site because they are unworthy DudemanBuddymackSon your tha King-O-theHeap you're argumint that playing ina inferiour division makes us better is classic reverse scycolojie Reading and comprehension aren’t your strongest attributes and neither is hockey. Clearly a forum troll and Im not wasting another minute dealing with you. Stick to basements and dark lit places. Edited June 11, 2021 by knucklehead91 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 22 minutes ago, knucklehead91 said: Reading and comprehension aren’t your strongest attributes and neither is hockey. Clearly a forum troll and Im not wasting another minute dealing with you. Stick to basements and dark lit places. there you go again calling me names while never addressing my questions my comprehension is fine I said in my first reply a+b does not = c Your premise is wrong. had you said Toronto won a weak division but they are not a top team, I would have agreed with you but Vancouver came in dead last in a weak division, ergo, they are better than they showed does not follow. hence a+b does not =c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 We sucked. Hopefully we suck less moving forward. We will see how the off-season goes and how these potential changes change things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knucklehead91 Posted June 25, 2021 Author Share Posted June 25, 2021 @lmm I thought the Canadian division sucked? I thought it was the weakest division and Montreal was going to get crushed by Vegas?? FEAST ON THAT Vegas success was inflated by weaker competition. Montreal’s depth was diluted by a balanced division. Closer standings, 50-50 games, the standings in the league look like they are crap and Vegas is the cream of the crop. Clearly Vegas was a beneficiary of weak teams and Montreal was dialled in all post-season thanks to the night in and night out dogfight in the Canadian division Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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