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2021 Stanley Cup Semifinals  

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  1. 1. Who will win the series?

    • Golden Knights in 4
      9
    • Golden Knights in 5
      32
    • Golden Knights in 6
      21
    • Golden Knights in 7
      4
    • Canadiens in 4
      2
    • Canadiens in 5
      8
    • Canadiens in 6
      21
    • Canadiens in 7
      30

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29 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Tampa forward’s have way more skill than Vegas or Montreal.  The Islanders are more like Vegas and the Habs.  

I'm not so sure.   Vegas was better then Dallas last playoffs but lost, must better really, feel Demko and then their goalie just got in their heads.    TB is for sure the best team and should be with 100 million almost on their "playoff" roster.   But they have yet to play a team like Vegas that ground and pounds players - or MTL for that matter with their meat grinder of a D.   Either way it's not going to be an automatic win for TB.   Tough to repeat, for sure they are the favourites.   Vegas is down but not out.   MTL just hit the sweet spot.   I'm expecting a pretty epic final.  

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2 hours ago, grandmaster said:

Out of the 4 teams that remain the Habs have the least skill but the most heart it seems. I am not a Habs fan but it would be nice to have a Canadian team finally win the Cup. It’s been too long,

 

Not sure Bettman and his dirty referees will allow it though...

Habs have a team that isn't much different then the St. Louis one really.   Problem is ... who has Maroon.   The new Mike Keane lol.   Or Claude Lemieux, just add him to your team and cups follow.    MTL winning a cup would cement Weber and Price's legacy so rooting for them.   Weber vs any other D born within a two year span ... challenge anyone to find a better one.    Price is money when chips are down, just like Furh, just like Billy Smith.    MTL has a balanced team.   Caufield ... Suziki and too many vowels - that's some youth skill right there.   But for sure are a veteran team as well.    Watching them beat TO was awesome.    Some teams are just better in the post season, not sure they will have another run in them, but for now they have hit the sweet spot and keep pounding it.   Vegas is a monster.   We saw that playing them...Dallas was lucky more then anything, the better team didn't win that series.    And they took TB to six.   I'm all for the underdog, MTL is a good team to root for as far as the last Canadian team left standing, better then any other team but us first, then WNP.... said MTL would win in six.    But i'd be happy if they won in seven too.   Price.  Price.  Price.   

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2 minutes ago, IBatch said:

Habs have a team that isn't much different then the St. Louis one really.   Problem is ... who has Maroon.   The new Mike Keane lol.   Or Claude Lemieux, just add him to your team and cups follow.    MTL winning a cup would cement Weber and Price's legacy so rooting for them.   Weber vs any other D born within a two year span ... challenge anyone to find a better one.    Price is money when chips are down, just like Furh, just like Billy Smith.    MTL has a balanced team.   Caufield ... Suziki and too many vowels - that's some youth skill right there.   But for sure are a veteran team as well.    Watching them beat TO was awesome.    Some teams are just better in the post season, not sure they will have another run in them, but for now they have hit the sweet spot and keep pounding it.   Vegas is a monster.   We saw that playing them...Dallas was lucky more then anything, the better team didn't win that series.    And they took TB to six.   I'm all for the underdog, MTL is a good team to root for as far as the last Canadian team left standing, better then any other team but us first, then WNP.... said MTL would win in six.    But i'd be happy if they won in seven too.   Price.  Price.  Price.   

Fuhr might be a nice guy, but he was vastly over-rated. Edmonton basically just outscored their opponents. He had a career average 3.38 GAA and 0.887% Save Percentage. 

Where he shone was he shut the door when it counted. Patrick Roy by comparison had a 2.54  GAA and a career 0.910% save percentage. 

 

If you put Tony Esposito in net in his prime during Edmonton's prime, they'd probably only lose a handful of games. Tony got 76 shutouts in 886 games. 

Tony had a career 2.93 GAA (His last 4 years in Chicago hurt his numbers) and a 0.903% Save Percentage. 

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1 hour ago, Alflives said:

Their own fans booed them.  When that team goes into its soon to come downturn, their rink will be empty.  

didn't watch the game last night - did Vegas fans really boo them? how bad was it? 

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10 hours ago, qwijibo said:

That’s what everyone said last round when Montreal knocked off the Jets and Montreal was facing either Vegas or Colorado.  At what point do people start giving Montreal some credit 

Have to agree here....

 

The Habs have shut down some pretty potent offenses to get where they are and they appear to have gotten better as the playoff progress....

 

At this point, I'd call them a slight underdog against the Bolts and even money if the Isles manage a comeback. (Of course, they still have to close out the Knights)

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lets say that the Habs ACTUALLY win the cup this year, what are the odds that Shea Weber retires this summer? 

What is the cap recapture penalty that Nashville is charged with as a result? 

This could get REALLY interesting, yes?

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7 minutes ago, grumpyone said:

lets say that the Habs ACTUALLY win the cup this year, what are the odds that Shea Weber retires this summer? 

What is the cap recapture penalty that Nashville is charged with as a result? 

This could get REALLY interesting, yes?

I think he plays another year or two. Either way yes Nashville will have to deal with the recapture penalty.  The penalty is roughly $24m. It’ll be split up to equal Weber’s AAV of $7.8m per season. So they’d have a penalty for 3 full seasons + the remainder in the 4th 

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12 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Booed their power player.  Was an indication of things to come in a very fickle market.  

huh. 

 

Was just catching up on some of the highlights, If we can learn to take over the middle of the ice like this our team might go places. 

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1 hour ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

Fuhr might be a nice guy, but he was vastly over-rated. Edmonton basically just outscored their opponents. He had a career average 3.38 GAA and 0.887% Save Percentage. 

Where he shone was he shut the door when it counted. Patrick Roy by comparison had a 2.54  GAA and a career 0.910% save percentage. 

 

If you put Tony Esposito in net in his prime during Edmonton's prime, they'd probably only lose a handful of games. Tony got 76 shutouts in 886 games. 

Tony had a career 2.93 GAA (His last 4 years in Chicago hurt his numbers) and a 0.903% Save Percentage. 

Well i'm sure he's biased but Wayne Gretzky thinks Furh is the all time best goalie.   Stats are fun and all - but like I said both Furh and Smith were money goalies when the chips were down.   Back then the goalies weren't monster sized, and they didn't go to the butterfly as soon as a player went to shoot (9 out of ten goals did get scored on the ice back then, not hard to change your technique and just cover the bottom of the net)....Luongo loved Furh and modelled his game off him - his glove was top top top notch, matching any goalie before or since.    Sure the players didn't have the same sticks now, but look at who he was defending against every game ... the league hasn't been able to match the same level of talent since.  Trim it done too 26 or so teams, or remove 3/4 of all the fourth liners and it would be close, same with one of the third paring guys.   

 

Dryden had a career sp of around .923 ... Parent in PHI the same.   And these guys were acrobats.   Kirk McLean was one of the last stand up goalies.    Not nearly as easy as it looks.   Love to see how the current goalies would do if they took the butterfly out of the tool box.   Roy is a legend for popularizing it, IMO the best goalie that ever existed before or since.   He was playing against better players, and changed the game completely.    At least the talent level is approaching what it used to be, and guess what, the average sp has been trending down, despite most goalies being as big as Dryden was with much larger equipment.  

 

The silly thing is, what is the actual difference between .888 and .910?  12 goals for a thousand shots.    Wow that's really tiny isn't it?   Furh deserves his reputation as a money goalie, as Wayne says the team would leave him high and dry with their high octane system, and they knew once they were up a goal he'd close the door.    Think of Markstrom and his propensity to let an easy one in ... with the exception once that was done he was lights out.   There is a reason he won a Vezina and is behind only Roy, Broduer and MAF for most wins in the post season and it's not just because he played for the Oilers.   Keenan played him 78 or so games one year in St. Louis ... like to see Demko or any goalie try that these days. 

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1 hour ago, Alflives said:

Booed their power player.  Was an indication of things to come in a very fickle market.  

I'm not sure.   Their fans are just babies though as far as following their team.  Get why the first year their city fell in love with them.    Time will tell, they have at least 3-4 years left out of the core they have .... i've seen our fans do the same, and others as well.    It will be fun to find out though... not cool either - instead their fans should have been hassling Price ... that's what i would have done if i was a Vegas fan.    I like their players, but hate their team.    That said i'm not a big TB fan, mostly because they have too many advantages (Vegas does have the same ones though) and if Kucherov gets to play, two or three other guys shouldn't be allowed.  36% tax compared to our NDP 53% same with MTL.    That's just not cool. 

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Vegas has built onto their very good middle 6 forwards. They don't have a pure sniper, and will have to draft pure goal scorers this draft. Unless they can trade a couple pieces and/or pics for a

1st line scorer. Stone has become that. Hands of stone. He has regressed from his first couple of years. Toronto maybe? for a couple of lower cost forwards and a pick? Unload one of their big contracts? 

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Montreal built themselves for the playoffs with the additions of Anderson, Edmundson, Staal, Perry.

They got a lot bigger and meaner, proven winners, and without breaking the bank.

They also added a solid top-6 player in Toffoli on a steal of a deal. 

Sprinkle in their young studs who are still on their entry level deals (KK,Caufield,Suzuki).

Then you have Price in net and Danault as your shutdown center with offensive flair and it's no surprise they've gone deep in the playoffs. 

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Mtl's team-composition is somewhat sustainable, in the AAV, cap-era. We should be aiming for more of their qualities, particularly on the blueline.

Cdn teams often seem to have to overpay FA's, so the Habs model appears a pretty smart blueprint.

 

Stark contrast is the highly-skilled, TBay privileged model. You need rigged-league rules(yaa right) & an evasive, Bermuda-ish tax zone.

Nice to see the FLO Cats F*** themselves with the Bob-contract. They could soon have followed suit.

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30 minutes ago, Duodenum said:

Montreal built themselves for the playoffs with the additions of Anderson, Edmundson, Staal, Perry.

They got a lot bigger and meaner, proven winners, and without breaking the bank.

They also added a solid top-6 player in Toffoli on a steal of a deal. 

Sprinkle in their young studs who are still on their entry level deals (KK,Caufield,Suzuki).

Then you have Price in net and Danault as your shutdown center with offensive flair and it's no surprise they've gone deep in the playoffs. 

Their captain ain't too shabby either.

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13 hours ago, grumpyone said:

lets say that the Habs ACTUALLY win the cup this year, what are the odds that Shea Weber retires this summer? 

What is the cap recapture penalty that Nashville is charged with as a result? 

This could get REALLY interesting, yes?

Why would he retire?  Hes still a stud dman that plays 20+ hard mins a night.

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