Popular Post D.B Cooper Posted June 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 13, 2021 (edited) So, we keep hearing the Canucks and a couple other teams talk about how the league is shifting towards smaller, faster, puck moving defencemen. Our own Canucks are going to have at least 2-3 top 6 dmen who fit the mold of an undersized, skilled speedy dman. Is this actually a real trend? Or, I should say, is this trend actually successful? Personally, I’m a fan of the big, oldschool, defensive style dman. Block shots, big hits and clearing the crease. Let’s look at the final 4 playoff teams D lines and see if this is actually a trend that is successful and if we are making the right moves. Montreal Height Weight Ben Chiarot 6’3” 225 Shea Weber 6’4” 230 Brett Kulak 6’2” 190 Joel Edmundson 6’4” 215 Alexander Romanov 6’0” 208 Erik Gustaffson 6’0” 197 NY Islanders Adam Pelech 6’3” 218 Ryan Pulock 6’2” 217 Nick Leddy 6’0” 207 Scott Mayfield 6’5” 223 Andy Greene 5’11” 190 Noah Dobson 6’4” 184 Tampa Bay Victor Hedman 6’6” 229 Jan Rutta 6’2” 204 Ryan McDonagh 6’1” 214 Erik Cernak 6’3” 233 Mikhail Sergachev 6’2” 217 David Savard 6’2” 229 Vegas Alec Martinez 6’1” 209 Alex Pietrangelo 6’3” 210 Brayden McNabb 6’4” 213 Shea Theodore 6’2” 195 Nick Holden 6’4” 212 Zach Whitecloud 6’2” 209 Other than Andy Green, who has been in the league a million years and doesn’t really play a small mans game, it looks that 6’ 200lbs is on the smaller end. So for this year at least, the ‘moving to smaller mobile dmen’ thing is 100% debunked. Are we making the wrong move by loading up on them? Hughes. 5-10. 170lbs Rathbone 5-10. 178lbs Joulevi. 6-2, but still very light at 180lbs I know people are gonna say ‘but you can make up for it with a bigger partner’. Thats BS. Good teams dont roll like that. Edited June 13, 2021 by drummerboy 3 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieVedder Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 Been saying it for years now. This team wont come close to contending unless they get bigger on D. You cant have both Rathbone and Hughes in your top 4 and expect to win. This team is way too easy to play against right now. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 So.....Edvinsson? Lambos? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 Had a horrible thought. Could Treliving end up signing Tryamkin? Sounds like such a Treliving thing to do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 This has always been an issue with the Canucks. It is one of the reasons I get mad when some folks talk about getting rid of Meyers. I’m so done with watching the tiny Troy Strachers being utterly useless in the crease while defending against big forwards. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 Avs are hooped. Three guys about 180 makes them losers. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said: Had a horrible thought. Could Treliving end up signing Tryamkin? Sounds like such a Treliving thing to do. Jury still out though if Tryamkin could even play in the NHL. Being big is great but can he skate and does he have the IQ to play in this league? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JM_ Posted June 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 13, 2021 well... how did we get past Minni last year? St Louis? almost Vegas. you can get it done with a mix of small skill and some bigger guys. We need a couple bigger guys in the F and D groups but thats possible. 2 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 Myers Hamonic (IF they re-sign him) Woo hmm, not a whole lot in the big and nasty department 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 41 minutes ago, drummerboy said: I know people are gonna say ‘but you can make up for it with a bigger partner’. Thats BS. Good teams dont roll like that. What about the 2017 Pens? Other than Oleksiak and Cole it wasn't a huge group. We definitely need to bulk up with 2 or 3 more guys but we don't necessarily need 6 d over 220. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, drummerboy said: So, we keep hearing the Canucks and a couple other teams talk about how the league is shifting towards smaller, faster, puck moving defencemen. Our own Canucks are going to have at least 2-3 top 6 dmen who fit the mold of an undersized, skilled speedy dman. Is this actually a real trend? Or, I should say, is this trend actually successful? Personally, I’m a fan of the big, oldschool, defensive style dman. Block shots, big hits and clearing the crease. Let’s look at the final 4 playoff teams D lines and see if this is actually a trend that is successful and if we are making the right moves. Montreal Height Weight Ben Chiarot 6’3” 225 Shea Weber 6’4” 230 Brett Kulak 6’2” 190 Joel Edmundson 6’4” 215 Alexander Romanov 6’0” 208 Erik Gustaffson 6’0” 197 NY Islanders Adam Pelech 6’3” 218 Ryan Pulock 6’2” 217 Nick Leddy 6’0” 207 Scott Mayfield 6’5” 223 Andy Greene 5’11” 190 Noah Dobson 6’4” 184 Tampa Bay Victor Hedman 6’6” 229 Jan Rutta 6’2” 204 Ryan McDonagh 6’1” 214 Erik Cernak 6’3” 233 Mikhail Sergachev 6’2” 217 David Savard 6’2” 229 Vegas Alec Martinez 6’1” 209 Alex Pietrangelo 6’3” 210 Brayden McNabb 6’4” 213 Shea Theodore 6’2” 195 Nick Holden 6’4” 212 Zach Whitecloud 6’2” 209 Other than Andy Green, who has been in the league a million years and doesn’t really play a small mans game, it looks that 6’ 200lbs is on the smaller end. So for this year at least, the ‘moving to smaller mobile dmen’ thing is 100% debunked. Are we making the wrong move by loading up on them? Hughes. 5-10. 170lbs Rathbone 5-10. 178lbs Joulevi. 6-2, but still very light at 180lbs I know people are gonna say ‘but you can make up for it with a bigger partner’. Thats BS. Good teams dont roll like that. I would argue, that it would be good to include the Coaching staffs of the teams you mention and how they use personnel cause just look at Schmidts’ performance or Tanev with the Flakes. Glad for the Shaw hiring and especially, hearing in the interview were (paraphrasing) he indicated that it is the staffs job to (mostly) adjust with roster/player rather than the expensive route of looking for perfect players to fit in a system. Imo, JB can acquire McD and he will just be misused by the previous staff deployment & usage - hopefully, Shaw can deliver and be a difference maker based on that great interview. Edited June 13, 2021 by ShawnAntoski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Alflives said: Avs are hooped. Three guys about 180 makes them losers. Imo, just like the Laffs & Deadmonton in the North division, once they find a goalie to build around with all that talent the team will be very competitive - Pittsburgh had MAF in net when they won 3 cups. Would be interesting to see how Sakic will keep all that talent together cause Makar is an RFA & Landeskog is a UFA ? Edited June 13, 2021 by ShawnAntoski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B Cooper Posted June 13, 2021 Author Share Posted June 13, 2021 59 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: What about the 2017 Pens? Other than Oleksiak and Cole it wasn't a huge group. We definitely need to bulk up with 2 or 3 more guys but we don't necessarily need 6 d over 220. Seeing as we are talking about current trends and not 5 years ago, I don’t see what the Pens have to do with this.... Also the Pens had Crosby, Malkin, Fluery, and Letang all in their prime. That team was a dynasty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 So the all the cup semi finalist are 205 + and 6'2" or bigger So then we have to have guys that match up against them on forward as well Hence why this is a big man's game in general, and how smaller guys need to be exceptional to be elite just for the record, I have always said this, in general............... Which takes me to this years draft......... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#Canucks Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, drummerboy said: So, we keep hearing the Canucks and a couple other teams talk about how the league is shifting towards smaller, faster, puck moving defencemen. Our own Canucks are going to have at least 2-3 top 6 dmen who fit the mold of an undersized, skilled speedy dman. Is this actually a real trend? Or, I should say, is this trend actually successful? Personally, I’m a fan of the big, oldschool, defensive style dman. Block shots, big hits and clearing the crease. Let’s look at the final 4 playoff teams D lines and see if this is actually a trend that is successful and if we are making the right moves. Montreal Height Weight Ben Chiarot 6’3” 225 Shea Weber 6’4” 230 Brett Kulak 6’2” 190 Joel Edmundson 6’4” 215 Alexander Romanov 6’0” 208 Erik Gustaffson 6’0” 197 NY Islanders Adam Pelech 6’3” 218 Ryan Pulock 6’2” 217 Nick Leddy 6’0” 207 Scott Mayfield 6’5” 223 Andy Greene 5’11” 190 Noah Dobson 6’4” 184 Tampa Bay Victor Hedman 6’6” 229 Jan Rutta 6’2” 204 Ryan McDonagh 6’1” 214 Erik Cernak 6’3” 233 Mikhail Sergachev 6’2” 217 David Savard 6’2” 229 Vegas Alec Martinez 6’1” 209 Alex Pietrangelo 6’3” 210 Brayden McNabb 6’4” 213 Shea Theodore 6’2” 195 Nick Holden 6’4” 212 Zach Whitecloud 6’2” 209 Other than Andy Green, who has been in the league a million years and doesn’t really play a small mans game, it looks that 6’ 200lbs is on the smaller end. So for this year at least, the ‘moving to smaller mobile dmen’ thing is 100% debunked. Are we making the wrong move by loading up on them? Hughes. 5-10. 170lbs Rathbone 5-10. 178lbs Joulevi. 6-2, but still very light at 180lbs I know people are gonna say ‘but you can make up for it with a bigger partner’. Thats BS. Good teams dont roll like that. It would be interesting if you did a comparison to the last 5 Stanley cup winners to see what their D size is. I think that would be more interesting than just 1 playoff year in a shortened and weird season. Edited June 13, 2021 by #Canucks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B Cooper Posted June 13, 2021 Author Share Posted June 13, 2021 11 minutes ago, #Canucks said: It would be interesting if you did a comparison to the last 5 Stanley cup winners to see what their D size is. I think that would be more interesting than just 1 playoff year in a shortened and weird season. What’s been weird about the playoffs? Pretty much the same format. same amount of teams and games being played 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post King Heffy Posted June 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 13, 2021 I'm really not a fan of the Toronto method of icing a lineup full of defensemen who can't play defense, so I am happy to see the analytics dweebs getting embarrassed and the teams full of big crease clearing guys succeeding. Not at all opposed to selling high on Rathbone. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post aGENT Posted June 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 13, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jimmy McGill said: What about the 2017 Pens? Other than Oleksiak and Cole it wasn't a huge group. We definitely need to bulk up with 2 or 3 more guys but we don't necessarily need 6 d over 220. This. You need a mix. We have Myers. We have Woo coming (not a giant but not undersized either and plays big). We're hopefully bringing Hamonic back as an interim guy. And Juolevi reportedly lost 15lbs with Covid but normally plays closer to 195lbs IIRC (and will likely be +/- 205-210lbs in his prime). I do hope to see us bring in a bigger guy to play with Hughes in the next year or so here but otherwise it's not anything I'd consider some massive, looming issue. Edited June 13, 2021 by aGENT 4 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4petesake Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 1 hour ago, ShawnAntoski said: Imo, just like the Laffs & Deadmonton in the North division, once they find a goalie to build around with all that talent the team will be very competitive - Pittsburgh had MAF in net when they won 3 cups. Would be interesting to see how Sakic will keep all that talent together cause Makar is an RFA & Landeskog is a UFA ? I agree totally with your point about building around the goalie but for the record MAF was only in the net for the first cup. Matt Murray was in goal for the other two. Whether it was justified or not Fleury used to have a bit of rep as being a regular season goalie and faltering in the playoffs. The Penguins protected Murray and MAF waived his NTC to go to Vegas. There doesn’t seem to be any signs of him not rising to the occasion anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 Missing a big slap shot from the point. Sami Salo style. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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