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The Canuck plan, here's an outsiders view of where Vcr missfired with it's plan !

 

5 NHL Teams That Continually Made Bad Front-Office Decisions | Bleacher Report | Latest News, Videos and Highlights

 

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Hired by the Vancouver Canucks as general manager in 2014, Jim Benning set about attempting to retool a roster in decline since its march to the 2011 Stanley Cup Final. With the club missing the playoffs in six of his eight years at the helm, there is little indication his efforts are working.

Benning set about rebuilding in earnest after the Canucks failed to qualify for the postseason in 2015-16. He hit the jackpot at the draft table, landing young stars Brock Boeser (2015), Elias Pettersson (2017) and Quinn Hughes (2018).

His trade record's been mixed. He acquired versatile forward Nick Bonino from the Anaheim Ducks in 2014 for Ryan Kesler but shipped him off to the Pittsburgh Penguins a year later for Brandon Sutter. Benning gave up two prospects and two draft picks for Tyler Toffoli at the 2020 NHL trade deadline, only to watch him head to the Montreal Canadiens later that year as a free agent.

Benning's worst decisions, however, are his expensive free-agent signings who eat up valuable salary-cap space without improving the club's performance.

The most egregious was winger Loui Eriksson's six-year, $36 million contract in 2016-17 with no-trade protection through the first four years. Brought in for his offensive skills, Eriksson's production steadily declined during his time in Vancouver.

That didn't prevent Benning from other forays into the free-agent market.

In 2017, he signed Sam Gagner to a three-year, $9.45 million contract and Michael Del Zotto to a two-year, $6 million deal. In 2018, it was Jay Beagle and Antoine Roussel (four years, $12 million each). In 2019, defenseman Tyler Myers (five years, $30 million) and winger Micheal Ferland (four years, $14 million). Last year, Braden Holtby at two years, $8.6 million.

Gagner and Del Zotto were traded away. Beagle, Ferland and Roussel have been sidelined by injuries and contributed little when healthy. Like Eriksson, Myers and Holtby are in decline.

Every NHL general manager has made a free-agent signing or two they have come to regret. Benning, however, has made so many that they have slowed his efforts to build around his promising young nucleus. Those moves also gobbled up valuable salary-cap space.

 

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12 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:

Missing a big slap shot from the point. Sami Salo style.

Rathbone is actually surprisingly good at this given his smaller size.

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2 hours ago, drummerboy said:

So, we keep hearing the Canucks and a couple other teams talk about how the league is shifting towards smaller, faster, puck moving defencemen.

do we indeed?

 

can you quote some examples so we have context to work with?

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39 minutes ago, 4petesake said:


I agree totally with your point about building around the goalie but for the record MAF was only in the net for the first cup. Matt Murray was in goal for the other two. Whether it was justified or not Fleury used to have a bit of rep as being a regular season goalie and faltering in the playoffs. The Penguins protected Murray and MAF waived his NTC to go to Vegas. There doesn’t seem to be any signs of him not rising to the occasion anymore.

Good take and with hindsight, Murray seems to had regressed (since being traded to Ottawa) and MAF is still contributing to Vegas' cup chase (in there short history)   Imo, MAFs' presence on & off the ice has contributed a great deal to Vegas' early success - would be interesting to see if Lehner can fill that role when his contract is done.

 

MAF was not protected cause of his contract and Murrays hot start to his career (like Binnington) justified moving on from an expensive MAF - one seems to had cooled off, whereas, MAF is still performing.   With hindsight, it was more of a business decision for Rutherford rather than personnel.

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3 minutes ago, drummerboy said:

Do your own work

Hawks won three Cups in the cap era, right?  (I think that’s right)

Their biggest D was Big ?Buff, who kind of played mostly wing for the.  After him in size was Seabrook, who played at 220.

Then they had a bunch of guys under 200. 

Maybe it’s having D with skill, character, and compete that creates winners?  The Hawks and Pens have six Cups in the last while, and their D were skilled, and high compete players, with the odd big guy in the group.  But being heavy wasn’t their make-up.  

I think we have Hughes, and Bone who are elite skilled, of high character, and super compete.  They are clearly keepers, and winners.  Myers is heavy, OJ will be heavier next season, Schmidt is solidly built, so is Hamonic.  And Woo is already playing big.  

Actually we are looking pretty good on the back end.

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1 hour ago, drummerboy said:

Seeing as we are talking about current trends and not 5 years ago, I don’t see what the Pens have to do with this.... Also the Pens had Crosby, Malkin, Fluery, and Letang all in their prime.    That team was a dynasty. 

it shows size isn't everything. 

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How come we didn’t win the Cup when we had Gudbrandon?  The guy is 225!  We had Edler then too at 230.  Did we have Myers then?  He’s real big.  

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6 minutes ago, Alflives said:

How come we didn’t win the Cup when we had Gudbrandon?  The guy is 225!  We had Edler then too at 230.  Did we have Myers then?  He’s real big.  

Because they suck.  Hahaha

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1 minute ago, Alflives said:

Hawks won three Cups in the cap era, right?  (I think that’s right)

Their biggest D was Big ?Buff, who kind of played mostly wing for the.  After him in size was Seabrook, who played at 220.

Then they had a bunch of guys under 200. 

Maybe it’s having D with skill, character, and compete that creates winners?  The Hawks and Pens have six Cups in the last while, and their D were skilled, and high compete players, with the odd big guy in the group.  But being heavy wasn’t their make-up.  

I think we have Hughes, and Bone who are elite skilled, of high character, and super compete.  They are clearly keepers, and winners.  Myers is heavy, OJ will be heavier next season, Schmidt is solidly built, so is Hamonic.  And Woo is already playing big.  

Actually we are looking pretty good on the back end.

Good take, probably something to consider when discussing these topics are: what teams are making the playoffs and how the Zebras are managing the playoffs games but the x factor of a lights out goaltending performance paired with a good/great defensive coach can win a cup - 1993 Habs (Canada's last cup).   Currently, it seems the Tampa model is the trend to win the cup cause they are the champs; and perhaps when they get dethrone the new trend will be based on the new champ ?

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8 minutes ago, Alflives said:

How come we didn’t win the Cup when we had Gudbrandon?  The guy is 225!  We had Edler then too at 230.  Did we have Myers then?  He’s real big.  

Hockey requires a more team approach to winning (cause of the requirement for a goalie); unlike Basketball were one/two player(s) can be a difference maker to winning a championship.

 

Those players you mentioned are not goalies.

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1 hour ago, Fred65 said:

The Canuck plan, here's an outsiders view of where Vcr missfired with it's plan !

 

5 NHL Teams That Continually Made Bad Front-Office Decisions | Bleacher Report | Latest News, Videos and Highlights

 

as to the canucks :-

 

 

 

Unbelievable, in the article it says benning gave up 2 prospects and 2 draft picks for toffoli. I mean why lie about the trade? If you wanna be taken seriously theres no need to lie like that.

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1 minute ago, drummerboy said:

Im out of time for you.   

block me then. in the meantime, I'll be calling out people who form ridiculously long theories based on lies. 

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7 minutes ago, ShawnAntoski said:

Hockey requires a more team approach to winning (cause of the requirement for a goalie); unlike Basketball were one/two player(s) can be a difference maker to winning a championship.

 

Those players you mentioned are not goalies.

But they’re big, real big.  And this thread is all about real big D.  I mean real BIG D.  :emot-parrot:

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11 minutes ago, Bertuzzipunch said:

Unbelievable, in the article it says benning gave up 2 prospects and 2 draft picks for toffoli. I mean why lie about the trade? If you wanna be taken seriously theres no need to lie like that.

Myers is 'declining' too :lol:

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1 hour ago, drummerboy said:

What’s been weird about the playoffs?   Pretty much the same format.  
same amount of teams and games being played

Everything leading up the playoffs has had a massive influence on teams and players. No way you can say it has not have a major influence. 

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33 minutes ago, Alflives said:

But they’re big, real big.  And this thread is all about real big D.  I mean real BIG D.  :emot-parrot:

Yeah perhaps they should look into just putting football players on skates; who cares about coaching; and just put a sumo wrestler in net - guaranteed cup winner. 

 

Or make this guy the coach - woo-hoo!  I wonder what would had happened during the 2011 Sedin vs Marchand match, if Ric Flare was our coach - good chance the Canucks would had thrown everything at the Bruins to send the right message ?

Excited Ric Flair GIF

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