Bertuzzipunch Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 1 hour ago, iinatcc said: I would rather have Hamilton than Myers Really reached on that one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patel Bure Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 19 minutes ago, King Heffy said: All those guys had multiple deep playoff runs that added a lot of wear and tear. We badly need a player like him. In that case, I might be on board with Manson. Outside of his physicality, I’ll admit that I don’t know much about him. Does he usually play top minutes on the top pairing and take on the toughest defensive assignments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Screw Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 1 hour ago, oldnews said: Hard pass on Hamilton. Have said it many times, so gonna keep it brief/Cole's notes here - but simply not a good fit for us. What 'we' need is the guy that has been partnered with Hamilton, not 'Dougie'. Chara Giordano Slavin We don't have that player - and if we did, we'd need that player to partner with Hughes. Hamilton = no thanks. Good player, but also one of the more inflated players throughout his career imo. Just not interested - makes nowhere near enough sense. Side note: teams should avoid getting sucked into this ploy imo. 'Wise' move for Carolina perhaps - attempting to extract an expiring return - like they did out of Edmundson....but if I'm one of the teams 'negotiating' in the present, I'm talking free agency with him - what would be offered after he expires, not catering to Carolina's needs - who are hedging - and no doubt expect to get more out of this than they did Edmundson's rights. I'd call their bluff - and recommend they go ahead and re-sign him....The expansion draft complication imo 'should' preclude them getting away with this. Some team might get sucked in / that would not be my team if it were up to me. Hamilton would be/'should be' a hard pass for the Canucks imo. What is your take on some of the RD UFA available? Larsson might be a good fit I think. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 19 minutes ago, Dats hockey said: Their team is better. By a large margin. I’m sure if Hughes was in a system where they’re playing offence more than defense like colarado and have a better core of player and have depth and have a better coaching systems and have a goalie that’s up for the Vezina. MAKAR WOULDNT LOOK LIKE THIS ON THE CANUCKS! he would have the plus minus just as bad as all the other canucks Playing on a worse team doesnt necessarily change the fundamentals of a player though. It might impact their results since hockey is, of course, a team game. But elite players are still elite. People constantly dismiss elite level players on other teams. While simultaneously over rating Canucks players. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said: Playing on a worse team doesnt necessarily change the fundamentals of a player though. It might impact their results since hockey is, of course, a team game. But elite players are still elite. People constantly dismiss elite level players on other teams. While simultaneously over rating Canucks players. Na. Hughes is fabulous. He holds the record for playoff points by a rookie D. That's a guy who can definitely play, especially in the hardest games. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 1 minute ago, Alflives said: Na. Hughes is fabulous. He holds the record for playoff points by a rookie D. That's a guy who can definitely play, especially in the hardest games. He can play offensively for sure. He cannot play playoff calibre defense, is too small and weak physically to not get outmuscled constantly, and cant be trusted defensively in any kind of matchup or on the PK. He needs to get a lot better defensively to be a consistent net positive in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 Just now, wallstreetamigo said: He can play offensively for sure. He cannot play playoff calibre defense, is too small and weak physically to not get outmuscled constantly, and cant be trusted defensively in any kind of matchup or on the PK. He needs to get a lot better defensively to be a consistent net positive in the playoffs. So just like Makar, Heiskanen and all the other young, offensively gifted D. We are lucky Quinn fell to us in his draft. He's a remarkably gifted player, who will lead us for then next decade. Be thankful we didn't win that draft lottery and get stuck with Dahlin. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzipunch Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 17 minutes ago, Alflives said: Na. Hughes is fabulous. He holds the record for playoff points by a rookie D. That's a guy who can definitely play, especially in the hardest games. Finally a canuck fan that says something positive about hughes on this forum. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 12 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said: He needs to get a lot better defensively to be a consistent net positive in the playoffs. Luckily he's 21, not 31. The franchise just hired an experienced coach with a history of developing young defencmen - let's see what he can do. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 2 hours ago, Provost said: It is a bit of a mirage being on the top pair. He wouldn't be playing the PP when Hughes would be so would end up the low minute man probably along with Rathbone. If Hughes is playing 22 minutes a night, but 5 minutes of that is on the PP, then that means Hamonic is only playing 17 minutes. Whoever Hughes is partnered with is going to play effectively 3rd pairing minutes due to the PP time. A Zadorov-Risto pairing would probably play the most with a lot of 5v5 and PK time... but all three pairs could be counted on relatively well. I think you'd want the guy paired with Hughes to be your top penalty killer, so they should be playing the same amount of minutes. Hughes's ideal partner would also be out there in the last 5 minutes of a game protecting a lead. Guys like Cernak and Mayfield are playing 22-24 minutes a night with no PP time. That's the type of Dman we want paired with Hughes. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 I think Hamilton would be a great fit in Toronto. He would push their cap problems beyond repair for the next decade... 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Screw said: What is your take on some of the RD UFA available? Larsson might be a good fit I think. I think there are some good options. Larsson is solid - I've always liked him as a player (and he's better than the typical surface 'analytics' take would suggest imo. The team doesn't necessarily have to limit itself to ideal Hughes' parnters imo although players like this might work (would have to 'test' any pairing in the end) - they can continue to look for a younger guy (acquire or draft) while still becoming harder to play against and adding hard minutes/pk to their blueline. David Savard - likewise. Stephen Johns if healthy. I really like Brandon Montour but probably not the right type of fit. Hakanpaa, Ceci, (Hamonic), Bogosian, Schenn - some good options that you might not pencil into your top 4 but who could nevertheless round out a group nicely. If you forego the higher end of the scale - there's still the potential trade market - which might be a bit 'lubricated' by the expansion draft.....Mayfield, Foote, Pesce, Cernak, (or 'retool' - Ristolainen)....? Edited June 14, 2021 by oldnews 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 (edited) a few guy that might be worth adding to that list are.... Biega!! and Weber!! love Biega.. but on a serious note - if Edler decides not to return for whatever reason... Ryan Murray could be a good complement to the rest of the (young) left side. So could Jamie Oleksiak. Edited June 14, 2021 by oldnews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Screw Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 9 minutes ago, oldnews said: I think there are some good options. Larsson is solid - I've always liked him as a player (and he's better than the typical surface 'analytics' take would suggest imo. The team doesn't necessarily have to limit itself to ideal Hughes' parnters imo although players like this might work (would have to 'test' any pairing in the end) - they can continue to look for a younger guy (acquire or draft) while still becoming harder to play against and adding hard minutes/pk to their blueline. David Savard - likewise. Stephen Johns if healthy. I really like Brandon Montour but probably not the right type of fit. Hakanpaa, Ceci, (Hamonic), Bogosian, Schenn - some good options that you might not pencil into your top 4 but who could nevertheless round out a group nicely. If you forego the higher end of the scale - there's still the potential trade market - which might be a bit 'lubricated' by the expansion draft.....Mayfield, Foote, Pesce, Cernak, (or 'retool' - Ristolainen)....? Cermak would be awesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 14 minutes ago, Alflives said: So just like Makar, Heiskanen and all the other young, offensively gifted D. We are lucky Quinn fell to us in his draft. He's a remarkably gifted player, who will lead us for then next decade. Be thankful we didn't win that draft lottery and get stuck with Dahlin. Not sure how much you watch those other guys play but both Makar and Heiskanen are better defensively than Hughes at this point and are improving still. And they still provide offense too not at the expense of their defensive play. We are lucky to have Hughes, no doubt about. i have never said otherwise. He can and will get better defensively. But his lack of size, physical challenges, and (currently) sub par defensive game are all concerns about his ability to be more thanan offensive/pp specialist type. He has alot of work to do. And so do the coaches in building a defensive structure that takes advantage of his strengths rather than magnifying his weaknesses. Sorry to disagree but I would take Dahlin over Hughes long term. Its closer than it probably should be considering their draft positions though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 11 minutes ago, oldnews said: Stephen Johns if healthy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 1 minute ago, wallstreetamigo said: Not sure how much you watch those other guys play but both Makar and Heiskanen are better defensively than Hughes at this point and are improving still. And they still provide offense too not at the expense of their defensive play. We are lucky to have Hughes, no doubt about. i have never said otherwise. He can and will get better defensively. But his lack of size, physical challenges, and (currently) sub par defensive game are all concerns about his ability to be more thanan offensive/pp specialist type. He has alot of work to do. And so do the coaches in building a defensive structure that takes advantage of his strengths rather than magnifying his weaknesses. Sorry to disagree but I would take Dahlin over Hughes long term. Its closer than it probably should be considering their draft positions though. Quinn is a huggy bear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 Just now, Screw said: Cermak would be awesome Tampa has no reason to trade him. Cooper says he's a star for them. Brisebois already last off-season said he never considered trading him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 22 minutes ago, Fanuck said: Luckily he's 21, not 31. The franchise just hired an experienced coach with a history of developing young defencmen - let's see what he can do. I dont disagree with either point you make. And neither point actually negates my point. He is simply not there yet. Shaw will help for sure. His size and lack of physical toughness will need to be overcome. I think that will be more about finding the right partner that complement each other and building a defensive system that takes advantage of his offensive strengths on the defensive side if the puck. Skatibg it out if trouble, quick transition game, and using his skating to avoid getting destroyed or outmuscled. I equate Quinn Hughes becoming a true cup quality dman to having a sort if Duncan Keith style to his game. Minus the dirty elbows of course. But a style that does not try to turn him into sonething he is not. Add in aHjalmarsson or Seabrook type on his pair and you have a top D pairing imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 5 minutes ago, Alflives said: Quinn is a huggy bear. Exactly my point lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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