Interesting playoff stat

[Bertuzzipunch]

Of the 15 top-scoring forwards still active in these playoffs, only one is taller than 6'1" (Brock Nelson) and only one weighs over 200 pounds (Nelson again).

[DeNiro]

13 minutes ago, Bertuzzipunch said:

Of the 15 top-scoring forwards still active in these playoffs, only one is taller than 6'1" (Brock Nelson) and only one weighs over 200 pounds (Nelson again).

Are the other 14 Tampa players? They have a pretty small forward group.

 

That is surprising though. Shows that smaller guys can get it done in the playoffs in today’s NHL.

 

That being said you still need the big grinders to do the dirty work. They’re the ones that wear down the opposing teams D so the smaller skilled guys can do their thing. 

[Bertuzzipunch]

5 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

Are the other 14 Tampa players? They have a pretty small forward group.

 

That is surprising though. Shows that smaller guys can get it done in the playoffs in today’s NHL.

 

That being said you still need the big grinders to do the dirty work. They’re the ones that wear down the opposing teams D so the smaller skilled guys can do their thing. 

On the other hand, of the 16 top-four defencemen still active in these playoffs, only one is shorter than 6'1" (Nick Leddy) and only one weighs less than 200 pounds (Shea Theodore). 

All of the remaining teams have big men in the top roles on their respective blue lines.

[DeNiro]

19 minutes ago, Bertuzzipunch said:

On the other hand, of the 16 top-four defencemen still active in these playoffs, only one is shorter than 6'1" (Nick Leddy) and only one weighs less than 200 pounds (Shea Theodore). 

All of the remaining teams have big men in the top roles on their respective blue lines.

So you’re saying we should trade Schmidt and Rathbone then?

 

Seriously though there’s no doubt the Canucks need to get bigger and more mobile on the back end. That should be the number one priority this offseason.

[Bertuzzipunch]

I dunno what im saying. 

[UKNuck96]

I’m guessing that if you listed the top 15 scoring forwards (from the 28ish still in it) you probably would find that maybe 3 or so top the group and then it just tails off to one or two each after that with probably no real difference after the first quartile. 
 

more interesting would  be to look once the playoffs are done who to top scoring forwards were across the whole playoffs both by actual numbers and then adjusted figures to see if there is anything meaningful that can be gleaned from it 

[Elias Pettersson]

If you look at the defence of the 4 remaining teams you will notice that they all have guys who are huge.  Montreal has Chiarot, Edmundson, Petry, Weber and Merrill who are all 6'3" or bigger.  Vegas has Pietrangelo, Theodore, Whitecloud, McNabb and Holden who are all 6'2" or bigger.  Tampa has Hedman, Cernak, Sergachev, Rutta, and Savard who are all 6'2" or bigger.  And the Islanders have Pulock, Mayfield, Pelech, and Dobson who are all 6'2" or bigger.

 

It is not a coincidence that these teams are all in the final four.  Not to mention all 4 teams have top end goaltending.  Price, Fleury, Vasilevskiy and Varlamov are all Vezina trophy caliber goalies and two of them are Vezina finalists for 2021.  Grubauer was also a Vezina finalist this year but Colorado's defence is not the size of the final four teams.  They only have 2 defencemen that weigh over 200 pounds.  They really missed Erik Johnson.

 

The path to win the Stanley Cup starts in goal and works out towards the defence, then the centres and then the wingers.

[Canuck Surfer]

Rantanen & Landeskog are bigger than that.

 

Still a valid point...

[250Integra]

Interesting playoff stat: The Tampa Bay Lightning are 18 million over the cap

[-Vintage Canuck-]

1 minute ago, 250Integra said:

Interesting playoff stat: The Tampa Bay Lightning are 18 million over the cap

That’s the equivalent of having three extra Erikssons on your team.

[250Integra]

31 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

That’s the equivalent of having three extra Erikssons on your team.

Would you rather have 2 playoff Erikssons or a playoff Mitch Marner???

[Dats hockey]

13 hours ago, Bertuzzipunch said:

Of the 15 top-scoring forwards still active in these playoffs, only one is taller than 6'1" (Brock Nelson) and only one weighs over 200 pounds (Nelson again).

 

13 hours ago, Bertuzzipunch said:

On the other hand, of the 16 top-four defencemen still active in these playoffs, only one is shorter than 6'1" (Nick Leddy) and only one weighs less than 200 pounds (Shea Theodore). 

All of the remaining teams have big men in the top roles on their respective blue lines.

Soo feed Defencemen steak and potatoes.

And put all the forwards on a Keto diet?

[Dats hockey]

1 hour ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

That’s the equivalent of having three extra Erikssons on your team.

They must do the little things real well

[Bertuzzipunch]

3 minutes ago, Dats hockey said:

 

Soo feed Defencemen steak and potatoes.

And put all the forwards on a Keto diet?

Pretty much lol

[bigbadcanucks]

13 hours ago, DeNiro said:

Are the other 14 Tampa players? They have a pretty small forward group.

 

That is surprising though. Shows that smaller guys can get it done in the playoffs in today’s NHL.

 

That being said you still need the big grinders to do the dirty work. They’re the ones that wear down the opposing teams D so the smaller skilled guys can do their thing. 

“You can’t have all Ferraris. Sometimes you need a good old-fashioned four-wheel-drive Jeep to get you through the mud,” coach Jon Cooper said. “That’s what Barclay Goodrow can do for you.”

[ShawnAntoski]

12 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said:

If you look at the defence of the 4 remaining teams you will notice that they all have guys who are huge.  Montreal has Chiarot, Edmundson, Petry, Weber and Merrill who are all 6'3" or bigger.  Vegas has Pietrangelo, Theodore, Whitecloud, McNabb and Holden who are all 6'2" or bigger.  Tampa has Hedman, Cernak, Sergachev, Rutta, and Savard who are all 6'2" or bigger.  And the Islanders have Pulock, Mayfield, Pelech, and Dobson who are all 6'2" or bigger.

 

It is not a coincidence that these teams are all in the final four.  Not to mention all 4 teams have top end goaltending.  Price, Fleury, Vasilevskiy and Varlamov are all Vezina trophy caliber goalies and two of them are Vezina finalists for 2021.  Grubauer was also a Vezina finalist this year but Colorado's defence is not the size of the final four teams.  They only have 2 defencemen that weigh over 200 pounds.  They really missed Erik Johnson.

 

The path to win the Stanley Cup starts in goal and works out towards the defence, then the centres and then the wingers.

Where does coaching fit in the equation or is it all dependent on talent ?

Edited June 18, 2021 by ShawnAntoski

[Elias Pettersson]

16 minutes ago, ShawnAntoski said:

Where does coaching fit in the equation or is it all dependent on talent ?

Talent is 80%.  Without the talent you cannot win.  However, the extra 20% provided by the coaching is what turns an average team into a great team.  I believe the Canucks have most of the talent in place.  They need to plug a few holes.  Then they are at the 80%.  The other 20% will come from Green and Brad Shaw and how Shaw will work his defensive system to get the most out of the talent we currently have.

Edited June 18, 2021 by Elias Pettersson

[ShawnAntoski]

24 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Talent is 80%.  Without the talent you cannot win.  However, the extra 20% provided by the coaching is what turns an average team into a great team.  I believe the Canucks have most of the talent in place.  They need to plug a few holes.  Then they are at the 80%.  The other 20% will come from Green and Brad Shaw and how Shaw will work his defensive system to get the most out of the talent we currently have.

Good take; imo, the ratio can vary depending on the quality of the coaching vs quality of talent on the team and a good management team will recognize this.

Edited June 18, 2021 by ShawnAntoski

[bigbadcanucks]

1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Talent is 80%.  Without the talent you cannot win.  However, the extra 20% provided by the coaching is what turns an average team into a great team.  I believe the Canucks have most of the talent in place.  They need to plug a few holes.  Then they are at the 80%.  The other 20% will come from Green and Brad Shaw and how Shaw will work his defensive system to get the most out of the talent we currently have.

Gonna have to disagree...

 

Talent: 30%

Intangibles: will to win, uber competitive, willing to pay the price, unselfish, coachable, good teammate, mental toughness, ability to perform when stress/tension is heightened, etc. 50%

Coaching: 20%

 

If you're in the NHL and AHL, you possess talent.  Some more than others, but there is enough talent to have got you there.  The rest is heart, brains, brawn and coaching.

[Elias Pettersson]

2 hours ago, bigbadcanucks said:

Gonna have to disagree...

 

Talent: 30%

Intangibles: will to win, uber competitive, willing to pay the price, unselfish, coachable, good teammate, mental toughness, ability to perform when stress/tension is heightened, etc. 50%

Coaching: 20%

 

If you're in the NHL and AHL, you possess talent.  Some more than others, but there is enough talent to have got you there.  The rest is heart, brains, brawn and coaching.

Well we can agree that the player represents 80% and the coaching is 20%.  The % you want to use for intangibles is subjective, but at the end of the day the player is responsible for 80% of the work and the coach 20%.  That was really the essence of my post.