HKSR Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 Unrealistic? Yes. Fun? Yes. Dare to dream lol... UFA Signings and Extensions -- Sign UFA Dougie Hamilton at $8.5M x 6 years -- Sign UFA Erik Haula at $2M x 2 years -- Petey extended on bridge deal at $6.5M x 3 years TRADE #1 To Van: Colton Parayko (with $1M retained for the 1 year remaining) 2021 17th OA Pick (1st Round) To STL: Quinn Hughes Antoine Roussel Signing Hamilton means Hughes is expendable. TRADE #2 To Van: Ryan Graves To COL: Jack Rathbone 3rd Round Pick COL sheds some cap space and acquires a great prospect in Rathbone and a 3rd round pick. I don't feel the Canucks will be winning any cups with both Hughes and Rathbone as sub 6'0" defencemen in the D-core. 2021 NHL Draft Picks -- Canucks select Mason McTavish 9th overall -- Canucks select Aatu Raty 17th overall 2021-22 assumptions:-- Kraken is provided a sweetener in the form of Jonah Gadjovich and a 2nd round pick to take Holtby -- Beagle traded with $1M retained -- Goodbye Virtanen Assumptions for Future Years: -- Boeser signs a $7M AAV extension -- Horvat signs a $6.5M AAV extension -- Parayko signs a $6.5M AAV extension -- Graves signs a $4.5M AAV extension -- Miller walks at the end of his deal -- Hogs and Podz get bridge deals at $4M AAV when ELCs are done -- Top 6 in 2022-23 onwards could be someone like Max Domi, Nino Niederreiter, Reilly Smith, etc The RHD side means every single pairing has a 6'6" or bigger defenceman on the ice at all times lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 Maybe the Twins are coming in to do something like this? Benning just said the Twins played on really good teams, so they know what it takes to be a winner. He said they would have important voices in all parts of the club, including building the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patel Bure Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 (edited) Aside from the EA worthy ideas suggested in this thread, one thing that caught my eye in the OP is Hog and Podz’ contracts post ELC (3-4 million). I think this is an accurate projection and is also one reason why I don’t want Sam Reinhart here. Canucks will need to continue managing their cap even after this season once Eriksson, Beagle, Roussel, etc. come off the books. That’s why I’m hoping that we keep our 9OA in this coming draft as having said piece on an ELC will be important for us. In the future, I don’t see Miller sticking with us once his contract expires. Myers will be good as gone as well. The point I’m making is this: The Canucks will have to continue drafting well while keeping a mindful eye on their budget even beyond the end of this coming season once most of our bad contracts come off the books. Edited June 23, 2021 by Patel Bure 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Patel Bure said: Aside from the EA worthy ideas suggested in this thread, one thing that caught my eye in the OP is Hog and Podz’ contracts post ELC (3-4 million). I think this is an accurate projection and is also one reason why I don’t want Sam Reinhart here. Canucks will need to continue managing their cap even after this season once Eriksson, Beagle, Roussel, etc. come off the books. That’s why I’m hoping that we keep our 9OA in this coming draft as having said piece on an ELC will be important for us. In the future, I don’t see Miller sticking with us once his contract expires. Myers will be good as gone as well. The point I’m making is this: The Canucks will have to continue drafting well while keeping a mindful eye on their budget even beyond the end of this coming season once most of our bad contracts come off the books. Draft well, and trade away players from a position of strength. Lou Lam trades away Toews for two second rounders. He still has a great D, and added two high picks. That keeps the continued ELC guys coming into the lineup. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzipunch Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 8 minutes ago, Alflives said: Draft well, and trade away players from a position of strength. Lou Lam trades away Toews for two second rounders. He still has a great D, and added two high picks. That keeps the continued ELC guys coming into the lineup. Lou Lam was able to do that cause he has assets that teams wanted while still having depth. Thats been our biggest issue is not having assets that other teams want. JB has been good at drafting but needs to be even better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rick Blight Posted June 23, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 23, 2021 We had a D with that kind of size.......didn't work out too well for us as we ended up last in the Western Conference. #6 Adrian Aucoin (D) 47 1973 Ottawa, ON, CAN 6'2" 216 R #23 Murray Baron (D) 54 1967 Prince George, BC, CAN 6'3" 216 L #3 Bret Hedican (D) 50 1970 St. Paul, MN, USA 6'2" 212 L #7 Jamie Huscroft (D) 54 1967 Creston, BC, CAN 6'3" 209 R #55 Ed Jovanovski (D) 44 1976 Windsor, ON, CAN 6'3" 220 L #36 Chris McAllister (D) 46 1975 Saskatoon, SK, CAN 6'6" 238 L #4 Bryan McCabe (D) “A” 46 1975 St. Catharines, ON, CAN 6'2" 220 L #5 Dana Murzyn (D) 54 1966 Calgary, AB, CAN 6'2" 201 L #18 Bert Robertsson (D) 46 1974 Södertälje, SWE 6'3" 212 L #3 Brent Sopel (D) 44 1977 Calgary, AB, CAN 6'2" 218 R #25 Steve Staios (D) 47 1973 Hamilton, ON, CAN 6'1" 203 R #34 Jason Strudwick (D) 45 1975 Edmonton, AB, CAN 6'4" 225 L #2 Mattias Öhlund (D) “A” 44 1976 Piteå, SWE 6'4" 234 L 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted June 23, 2021 Author Share Posted June 23, 2021 10 minutes ago, Rick Blight said: We had a D with that kind of size.......didn't work out too well for us as we ended up last in the Western Conference. #6 Adrian Aucoin (D) 47 1973 Ottawa, ON, CAN 6'2" 216 R #23 Murray Baron (D) 54 1967 Prince George, BC, CAN 6'3" 216 L #3 Bret Hedican (D) 50 1970 St. Paul, MN, USA 6'2" 212 L #7 Jamie Huscroft (D) 54 1967 Creston, BC, CAN 6'3" 209 R #55 Ed Jovanovski (D) 44 1976 Windsor, ON, CAN 6'3" 220 L #36 Chris McAllister (D) 46 1975 Saskatoon, SK, CAN 6'6" 238 L #4 Bryan McCabe (D) “A” 46 1975 St. Catharines, ON, CAN 6'2" 220 L #5 Dana Murzyn (D) 54 1966 Calgary, AB, CAN 6'2" 201 L #18 Bert Robertsson (D) 46 1974 Södertälje, SWE 6'3" 212 L #3 Brent Sopel (D) 44 1977 Calgary, AB, CAN 6'2" 218 R #25 Steve Staios (D) 47 1973 Hamilton, ON, CAN 6'1" 203 R #34 Jason Strudwick (D) 45 1975 Edmonton, AB, CAN 6'4" 225 L #2 Mattias Öhlund (D) “A” 44 1976 Piteå, SWE 6'4" 234 L Who was the captain and head coach of that team? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 19 minutes ago, Rick Blight said: We had a D with that kind of size.......didn't work out too well for us as we ended up last in the Western Conference. #6 Adrian Aucoin (D) 47 1973 Ottawa, ON, CAN 6'2" 216 R #23 Murray Baron (D) 54 1967 Prince George, BC, CAN 6'3" 216 L #3 Bret Hedican (D) 50 1970 St. Paul, MN, USA 6'2" 212 L #7 Jamie Huscroft (D) 54 1967 Creston, BC, CAN 6'3" 209 R #55 Ed Jovanovski (D) 44 1976 Windsor, ON, CAN 6'3" 220 L #36 Chris McAllister (D) 46 1975 Saskatoon, SK, CAN 6'6" 238 L #4 Bryan McCabe (D) “A” 46 1975 St. Catharines, ON, CAN 6'2" 220 L #5 Dana Murzyn (D) 54 1966 Calgary, AB, CAN 6'2" 201 L #18 Bert Robertsson (D) 46 1974 Södertälje, SWE 6'3" 212 L #3 Brent Sopel (D) 44 1977 Calgary, AB, CAN 6'2" 218 R #25 Steve Staios (D) 47 1973 Hamilton, ON, CAN 6'1" 203 R #34 Jason Strudwick (D) 45 1975 Edmonton, AB, CAN 6'4" 225 L #2 Mattias Öhlund (D) “A” 44 1976 Piteå, SWE 6'4" 234 L Exactly! Bigger (like Gudbranson) doesn’t automatically mean better. The players have to be smart, high compete, and actually have very good skills. They need to be head up, puck on stick guys, who get to pucks early, and make the right play. I do like the idea of Doogie Howser Hamilton though. He’s exactly that type of big guy, who has elite skills, and is smart too. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Blight Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Alflives said: Exactly! Bigger (like Gudbranson) doesn’t automatically mean better. The players have to be smart, high compete, and actually have very good skills. They need to be head up, puck on stick guys, who get to pucks early, and make the right play. I do like the idea of Doogie Howser Hamilton though. He’s exactly that type of big guy, who has elite skills, and is smart too. I was just having fun with @HKSR as I didn't have to imagine a D with that size.....already lived through it. Maybe iif MM and Keenen weren't here the results would have been much better. I certainly agree that more size on D with appropriate compete and skill would be a good thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patel Bure Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 My ideal defense over these next two seasons: 2021-2022: Hughes-Larsson Rathbone-Schmidt (or Schmidt-Myers if Rathbone isn’t ready for top 4 duty) Juolevi-Myers (or Rathbone and a cheap RD vet like Fantenberg if Rathbone plays on the bottom pairing). 2022-2023: H.Lindholm-Schmidt Hughes-Larsson Rathbone-Myers That above projected defense does evolve into something fairly ”biggish” but is also quite fast and can move the puck. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted June 23, 2021 Author Share Posted June 23, 2021 13 minutes ago, Alflives said: Exactly! Bigger (like Gudbranson) doesn’t automatically mean better. The players have to be smart, high compete, and actually have very good skills. They need to be head up, puck on stick guys, who get to pucks early, and make the right play. I do like the idea of Doogie Howser Hamilton though. He’s exactly that type of big guy, who has elite skills, and is smart too. 7 minutes ago, Rick Blight said: I was just having fun with @HKSR as I didn't have to imagine a D with that size.....already lived through it. Maybe iif MM and Keenen weren't here the results would have been much better. I certainly agree that more size on D with appropriate compete and skill would be a good thing. 1 minute ago, Patel Bure said: My ideal defense over these next two seasons: 2021-2022: Hughes-Larsson Rathbone-Schmidt (or Schmidt-Myers if Rathbone isn’t ready for top 4 duty) Juolevi-Myers (or Rathbone and a cheap RD vet like Fantenberg if Rathbone plays on the bottom pairing). 2022-2023: H.Lindholm-Schmidt Hughes-Larsson Rathbone-Myers That above projected defense does evolve into something fairly ”biggish” but is also quite fast and can move the puck. I just really don't see the Canucks winning a cup with two sub 6' guys in the core... Hughes and Rathbone are good players, don't get me wrong, but when the playoffs roll around, these 2 are gonna get exposed defensively no matter how good they are. Has any Stanley Cup winner in the past 20 years had two defencemen under 6' on their roster? (honest question) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aladeen Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Patel Bure said: Aside from the EA worthy ideas suggested in this thread, one thing that caught my eye in the OP is Hog and Podz’ contracts post ELC (3-4 million). I think this is an accurate projection and is also one reason why I don’t want Sam Reinhart here. Canucks will need to continue managing their cap even after this season once Eriksson, Beagle, Roussel, etc. come off the books. That’s why I’m hoping that we keep our 9OA in this coming draft as having said piece on an ELC will be important for us. In the future, I don’t see Miller sticking with us once his contract expires. Myers will be good as gone as well. The point I’m making is this: The Canucks will have to continue drafting well while keeping a mindful eye on their budget even beyond the end of this coming season once most of our bad contracts come off the books. You talk about EA worthy ideas? Does someone other than you make those ridiculous proposals using your account? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, HKSR said: I just really don't see the Canucks winning a cup with two sub 6' guys in the core... Hughes and Rathbone are good players, don't get me wrong, but when the playoffs roll around, these 2 are gonna get exposed defensively no matter how good they are. Has any Stanley Cup winner in the past 20 years had two defencemen under 6' on their roster? (honest question) Likely not. Which is why in a year or two, when Rathbone is established as a very good D (he’s looking great already) we trade him to fill in a hole on the roster, or for draft capital - much like Lou Lam did with Toews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted June 23, 2021 Author Share Posted June 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, Alflives said: Likely not. Which is why in a year or two, when Rathbone is established as a very good D (he’s looking great already) we trade him to fill in a hole on the roster, or for draft capital - much like Lou Lam did with Toews. Yeah I did a quick check going back into the 1980s, and only 1 team appears to have won a cup with two defencemen in their 3 pairings that are sub 6'. It was Detroit... Lebda and Rafalski, but Lidstrom played half the game all the time, so it didn't matter much lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, HKSR said: Yeah I did a quick check going back into the 1980s, and only 1 team appears to have won a cup with two defencemen in their 3 pairings that are sub 6'. It was Detroit... Lebda and Rafalski, but Lidstrom played half the game all the time, so it didn't matter much lol And if a team does have a second shorter D man (we have Hughes, who clearly is a phenom.) then get a guy like Tim Horton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patel Bure Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Aladeen said: You talk about EA worthy ideas? Does someone other than you make those ridiculous proposals using your account? My comments towards the OP weren’t meant to be mean spirited (as your post toward mine appears to be). The OP himself admitted that his ideas were unrealistic and I agreed. I actually think he was 100% correct with regards to what Hogs and Podz could cost after their ELC’s (which is also why I’m not interested in getting Reinhart, and is also why I’m starting to possibly see why Benning didn’t marry himself to the idea of signing Toffoli......although I could be wrong here). As far as most of my proposals go, I agree that many of them are ridiculous and insane, but I also believe that you don’t know where I’m coming from when I post those ideas (not trolling). Often times when I post those proposals, they are often “think outloud” in nature designed to not only facilitate discussion, but to also collect tangible reasons as to why said ideas wouldn’t work in reality to reaffirm an original hunch (ie my Petey and Hughes “take one for the team one year deals” = becomes an issue of long term security just in case they were to get severely injured + possible cap tampering issues that wouldn't be approved by the NHLPA etc.). Turning my "hunches" into something that I'd be able to verbally rationalize to someone else (if that makes sense). Edited June 23, 2021 by Patel Bure 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Blight Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Alflives said: And if a team does have a second shorter D man (we have Hughes, who clearly is a phenom.) then get a guy like Tim Horton. And tell him to bring coffee! Alf, only us old guys on here ever seen Tim Horton play so I think you are losing a lot of folks. LOL I should point out that Horton was only 5'10" and 180lbs. Harvard had Rathbone listed as bigger than Horton.By the way, I don't think we really have to worry about Rathbones size as he plays very physical and loves the gym. He is actually like a bigger version of Torey Krug to me. Position: Defenseman Height: 5-11 Weight: 190 Edited June 23, 2021 by Rick Blight 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aladeen Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 12 minutes ago, Patel Bure said: My comments towards the OP weren’t meant to be mean spirited (as your post toward mine appears to be). The OP himself admitted that his ideas were unrealistic and I agreed. I actually think he was 100% correct with regards to what Hogs and Podz could cost after their ELC’s (which is also why I’m not interested in getting Reinhart, and is also why I’m starting to possibly see why Benning didn’t marry himself to the idea of signing Toffoli......although I could be wrong here). As far as most of my proposals go, I agree that many of them are ridiculous and insane, but I also believe that you don’t know where I’m coming from when I post those ideas (not trolling). Often times when I post those proposals, they are often “think outloud” in nature designed to not only facilitate discussion, but to also collect tangible reasons as to why said ideas wouldn’t work in reality to reaffirm an original hunch (ie my Petey and Hughes “take one for the team one year deals” = becomes an issue of long term security just in case they were to get severely injured + possible cap tampering issues that wouldn't be approved by the NHLPA etc.). Turning my "hunches" into something that I'd be able to verbally rationalize to someone else (if that makes sense). Nothing “mean-spirited” behind my post at all you said yourself the proposals you make are ridiculous, I am just pointing out the irony of you calling anything EA worthy as your petey and Hughes 1 million dollar contracts contemplation would not even work in EA’s NHL game. But as you say it’s all for generating discussion more than anything else as I think in my time on these forums I have seen one proposal that actually happened. So in my mind the vast majority of proposal are all fantasy anyways so may as well dream big. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 16 minutes ago, Aladeen said: Nothing “mean-spirited” behind my post at all you said yourself the proposals you make are ridiculous, I am just pointing out the irony of you calling anything EA worthy as your petey and Hughes 1 million dollar contracts contemplation would not even work in EA’s NHL game. But as you say it’s all for generating discussion more than anything else as I think in my time on these forums I have seen one proposal that actually happened. So in my mind the vast majority of proposal are all fantasy anyways so may as well dream big. I had to Google the acronym EA, and really don’t get it. Is it some kind of new texting thing meaning “Extremely Awful”? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTramFan Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 Girard and Makar are both sub 6 foot. Guess the Av's need to get rid of their two best defensemen... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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