IBatch Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 50 minutes ago, knucklehead91 said: You’re definitely right, what I meant to say with older D playing top 4 is that they are still very capable of playing top 4 minutes. They may not BE top 4, but they are capable of it and thats why it is okay to still pursue 29-30 year old dmen as opposed to forwards because they rely on speed to find openings or create openings, dmen just need to be smart to take away time and space, they dont need to be fast. For dmen Its like chess, for forwards its like checkers, they need ‘jump’ to be effective. The issue with the veterans TO acquired is they arent 200ft players. That and not enough grit/size in the bottom 6 to wear opposition down. Montreal has a really well balanced lineup top to bottom front to back and they have 3 lines that can wear you down. Plus Gallagher and Perry who are the ballsiest guys when it comes to getting in the goalies face. They have a few guys that get right in the kitchen. Toronto has too many perimeter players. I followed the all the leagues off season moves and looked at Montreals roster at the start of the year and thought, holy crap they are deep AF, not over the top high end skill, but very well rounded players up and down the roster. Same with Ottawa to an extent. I could tell they werent going to be an easy win for anyone in the division on paper. Teams would have to work for their 2 points, which they did. Next season I can see Ottawa finishing just shy of a playoff berth. Montreal may have been “lucky” to have TO lose Tavares early as well as the over the top suspension on Scheifele. But what does that say about TO? With the absence of 1 player who is on his downward way as age does to everyone, they failed to close out a series. I think thats also a tip of the cap to Montreal for winning 3 straight with their backs against the rope. Toronto still had the #1 goal scorer in the league and he did sweet f-all. Winnipeg on the other hand just got out played, with or without Scheifele, they probably lose that series either way. It would have probably been closer, but still….Once again 1 player out and they got swept. I strongly think this is Montreal/Carey Prices one shot at a cup. They are playing impeccable defence, they still need to close out this series and they have been looking better as it has gone on. Next year they are going to slowly unravel and in another year or 2, Montreal is going to find themselves in a transition between vets aging off the roster, Carey Price’s immoveable contract and a lot of inexperience filling the roster. Yes to all of this. They have two solid anchors and have for a long time in Price and Weber. They have some nice players coming up but i don't thing it will be enough to make another miracle run either. A short season helps these types of teams too. Next year after 3-4 playoff rounds and another 82 games i doubt they get past the first round too. Might as well enjoy it. Remember 93 like it was yesterday given i watched every single game the habs played (i lived with a friend, his Dad loved the Habs almost as much as the Canucks, we watched both of them play, as well as the TO/WG series). Price isn't doing what Roy did, but can see the similarities. To me that was Roy's best cup. The 86 team still had a lot of great vets plus plus from their dynasty days. The 89 team was also better. The 93 team ... well really a bunch of blue chip plugs, some good low level stars but nothing that great at all. Leclair wasn't close to peaking yet, Desjardins was good but not great, 2nd behind Mario was a good Linden comp so pretty darn good ... no star power anyways except in the net. Staal, Perry, Anderson and TT ... wow. Good adds. I'm enjoying these playoffs more then i have aside from the bubble since 2011. Would be really nice to see the cup parade in MTL, i might even go if covid allows it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knucklehead91 Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 19 minutes ago, IBatch said: Yes to all of this. They have two solid anchors and have for a long time in Price and Weber. They have some nice players coming up but i don't thing it will be enough to make another miracle run either. A short season helps these types of teams too. Next year after 3-4 playoff rounds and another 82 games i doubt they get past the first round too. Might as well enjoy it. Remember 93 like it was yesterday given i watched every single game the habs played (i lived with a friend, his Dad loved the Habs almost as much as the Canucks, we watched both of them play, as well as the TO/WG series). Price isn't doing what Roy did, but can see the similarities. To me that was Roy's best cup. The 86 team still had a lot of great vets plus plus from their dynasty days. The 89 team was also better. The 93 team ... well really a bunch of blue chip plugs, some good low level stars but nothing that great at all. Leclair wasn't close to peaking yet, Desjardins was good but not great, 2nd behind Mario was a good Linden comp so pretty darn good ... no star power anyways except in the net. Staal, Perry, Anderson and TT ... wow. Good adds. I'm enjoying these playoffs more then i have aside from the bubble since 2011. Would be really nice to see the cup parade in MTL, i might even go if covid allows it. Would be great to see Burr raise the cup!!! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 algebra and physics 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, bishopshodan said: algebra and physics X = mass + speed/age 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 50 minutes ago, knucklehead91 said: Would be great to see Burr raise the cup!!! Yes it sure would. Burrows the dragon slayer, was the current generations equivalent of McLean (save!) Brown to Bure .... something else. He still looks like he could play the game, same with Bieksa, same with the Sedins. Was fun watching Utica play Laval with him behind the bench. Burrows getting his name on the cup would be awesome. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefCon1 Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 23 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said: buy a lucky rabbits foot? a lot of things broke their way: 1) Tavares - do they beat TO if he's not whacked in the 1st game? 2) waiver wire guys find new life 3) Scheifflie goes nuts. If those things don't happen are they still in it? pretty hard to say, but there's certainly room for doubt. Now having said that, they are playing a great neutral zone game, and thats certainly something we can emulate with the right coaching direction. They sweeped the Jets, even with Scheiffle in it, they lost the 1st game badly. They are up 3-2 on Vegas so the Leafs would have been beat even with Tavares. Montreal was built for playoffs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, DefCon1 said: They sweeped the Jets, even with Scheiffle in it, they lost the 1st game badly. They are up 3-2 on Vegas so the Leafs would have been beat even with Tavares. Montreal was built for playoffs. I dont think they do get past TO but we can agree to disagree on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 7 minutes ago, DefCon1 said: They sweeped the Jets, even with Scheiffle in it, they lost the 1st game badly. They are up 3-2 on Vegas so the Leafs would have been beat even with Tavares. Montreal was built for playoffs. Leafs are built for losing in series hockey. Their high minute guys (core) disappear when the game gets harder and they need to compete for ice. They become very quickly peripheral players, who are easy to play against. God I love watching them lose! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 1 minute ago, Alflives said: Leafs are built for losing in series hockey. Their high minute guys (core) disappear when the game gets harder and they need to compete for ice. They become very quickly peripheral players, who are easy to play against. God I love watching them lose! Same. Do they ever have flaccid, over paid, playoff performing forwards. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dats hockey Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 On 6/23/2021 at 3:25 PM, Aladeen said: 1) make the playoffs 2) stay healthy 3) play as a team 4) have a great goalie 5) have above average D built for the playoff grind 6) capitalize on chances Probably don’t have a front loaded schedule and a month break and than a back loaded schedule also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure2Win Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 They're defence is much better than ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aladeen Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 42 minutes ago, Dats hockey said: Probably don’t have a front loaded schedule and a month break and than a back loaded schedule also. Not even a break really, more like a necessary month off intense demanding cardio so as not to die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 1. Make the playoffs. Anything is possible. 2. Great goaltending and defence trumps anything else in the playoffs. 3. You need vets in their prime playing the right way. You need high caliber vets such as Price, Petry, Weber, Toffoli to lead the team. 4. Key young contributors on cheapish contracts are a must. E.g., Suzuki, Kotkaniemi, Caufield, Romanov. 5. Good depth throughout the roster. Danault, Perry, Staal, Byron etc. 6. A coaching staff that knows how to play to their strengths. MTL beats you to loose puck with their quickness rather than strengths; they seem to be very good at causing turnovers and pouncing on the puck and the players relay puck up the ice quickly for scoring chances. Good defence backed by great goaltending to withstand the storm helps play that style very well. I think MTL is built very differently from us. Our core doesn't have the ageing vets in the core like they do with Weber, Price, Petry. If it were 2012-2015 Canucks... Imagine infusing a Pettersson or Boeser or Hughes (or Suzuki or Caufield or whoever other young player MTL has) into the lineup on an ELC contract to help Sedins, Kes, Burr, Luongo, Bieksa, Hamhuis, Edler, Tanev, and etc. I guess one lesson to learn is to be patient and as our young core ages, we should continue to focus on drafting and developing players to give the core a push. It is very much possible that we may not have won a cup by the time EP, QH, Demko, BH, BB are all 27+ but that doesn't mean we should blow the core. We just need to continue to draft and make smart trades for good young players (i.e., Pacioretty for Suzuki) to push the core to the cup. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aznmonk Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 How exciting it is, canadian hopefully win the stanley cup.. bring it back to csnada. I like this format at least a canadian team has a chance at the cup.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzipunch Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 5 hours ago, Bure2Win said: They're defence is much better than ours. Lol they’re Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RU SERIOUS Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 (edited) On 6/23/2021 at 3:20 PM, JesseBlue said: Signing toffoli was very important ........instead of Lazy Jake - all in an effort by Uncle Jim to save face in his dismal decision to draft Jake and keep hoping year after year that "Jake The Ripper" would blossom into something he is not and save face. Just watch Uncle Jim try to do the same with Yo-Levi (his latest 1st round draft bust) and tie up endless energy and waste time waiting for him to improve. Edited June 25, 2021 by RU SERIOUS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzipunch Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 Wanna know what I learned? I learned I dont give 2 craps about the habs because imma canucks fan. Why would i care about them ive never even been to Montreal. Get these playoffs over with yada yada yada we have a offseason we need to get to. Wheelin n dealing baby 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 What Lessons Have The Habs Taught Us? Don’t let go of Toffoli. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 (edited) On 6/24/2021 at 6:11 AM, mikeyman109 said: if we have a Hughes in the lineup then everyone else needs to be of the larger variety. we have room for one , smaller mobile type D man and then you build the forest around him. Draft us a D man that can skate over 6'4 220 Bo Horvat is 26 Joel Edmonson is 27, and the youngest Hab defender to play last night draft a 6'4" D-man tomorrow, and Bo Horvat will be 35 before he is ready Hedman was 29 la st season Petrangelo was 29 the year before Edited June 25, 2021 by lmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrik Laine Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 Can someone buy Benning a red suit please. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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