Thousands dead in unmarked graves from Canadian Residential Schools

[ChuckNORRIS4Cup]

4 minutes ago, Dazzle said:

Great. Linking a 47 minute documentary without any opinions of your own on this. Not a single summary from you.

 

'This' type of information exchange is meaningless. If you don't understand what you're watching or reading, you are essentially regurgitating what you are told. That's not learning.

Wow bud you're a clown 

[Dazzle]

Just now, shayster007 said:

Dude, he posted a documentary on the subject at hand. This seems like the exact type of discussion that I was trying to open up by starting this thread. I started a thread so people can share information on subject that many Canadians have had enough exposure to. I for one will definitely be watching that video later when I have time.

He posted it just now as he was typing in this thread, so I highly doubt he even watched 10 minutes of this clip when he posted it.

 

This is no different than linking some joesmoe talking about COVID without actually understanding what was in the documentary. That's what I have a problem with.

You can't just link this long video and walk away thinking you 'made a point'. I, too, will be watching this clip later on.

[ChuckNORRIS4Cup]

13 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said:

Nah. It's more like The Borg....

Wrong species here... I don't follow that  not a trek person.

[DeNiro]

18 minutes ago, CBH1926 said:

I don’t disagree with the first part of your statement but also most of it would not be possible without the “blessing” of Canada.

 

 

 

Unfortunately the church and the government have always been intertwined. We adopted that from the British.

[bishopshodan]

2 minutes ago, ChuckNORRIS4Cup said:

Wrong species here... I don't follow that  not a trek person.

Iskalloni ?

[Kootenay Gold]

2 hours ago, NUCKER67 said:

Almost every country has a dark history, including Canada. I'm glad they're looking into these atrocities, and my hope is it leads to healing and forgiveness, real reconciliation. My worry is that it will do the opposite. 

I also worry that some may try to use it that way.

[ChuckNORRIS4Cup]

1 minute ago, bishopshodan said:

Iskalloni ?

[Tortorella's Rant]

39 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

We can start by repealing the tax exemption for the church, and using those funds to help pay the debt.

#pipedream

[RUPERTKBD]

14 minutes ago, ChuckNORRIS4Cup said:

Wrong species here... I don't follow that  not a trek person.

I'll give you a hint: It was all about "assimilation"....

 

Edit: and this....

Edited July 2, 2021 by RUPERTKBD

[bishopshodan]

11 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said:

I'll give you a hint: It was all about "assimilation"....

 

Edit: and this....

Vogon rip off.

 

Edited July 2, 2021 by bishopshodan
Vogons would use the phrase...'Resistance is useless'. Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy.

[MeanSeanBean]

27 minutes ago, Dazzle said:

He posted it just now as he was typing in this thread, so I highly doubt he even watched 10 minutes of this clip when he posted it.

 

This is no different than linking some joesmoe talking about COVID without actually understanding what was in the documentary. That's what I have a problem with.

You can't just link this long video and walk away thinking you 'made a point'. I, too, will be watching this clip later on.

Ok, I understand where you are coming from. I'm just attempting to keep this as civil as possible because of how intense the subject matter is.

 

[Kootenay Gold]

2 hours ago, ChuckNORRIS4Cup said:

Not exaggerating here, the more they find the more it's starting to look like that, I don't care if you don't want to see it like that, but that's what it's starting to look like, so I'll continue to use my opinion on how I feel fit.

Do not be misled by media sensationalism; They are constantly using the term "mass" graves which, to me, implies many many bodies piled on top of one another like those found in the German concentration camps. What I believe they are really meaning is many many individual unmarked graves. The term unmarked while probably accurate is also IMO, a bit misleading as it was common practice to place wooden markers at the head of the burial site. Many of these markers would have degraded over time to the point of not being recognizable and probably eventually removed. I came across this first hand when researching my family tree. I have documentation showing that some of my relatives are buried in this small cemetery in rural Alberta but there are no markers to show where. Even in modern cemetery's there are numerous unmarked graves. The key to all of this would be the burial records that the church should have for the residential schools that were under their control.

[Dazzle]

9 minutes ago, Kootenay Gold said:

Do not be misled by media sensationalism; They are constantly using the term "mass" graves which, to me, implies many many bodies piled on top of one another like those found in the German concentration camps. What I believe they are really meaning is many many individual unmarked graves. The term unmarked while probably accurate is also IMO, a bit misleading as it was common practice to place wooden markers at the head of the burial site. Many of these markers would have degraded over time to the point of not being recognizable and probably eventually removed. I came across this first hand when researching my family tree. I have documentation showing that some of my relatives are buried in this small cemetery in rural Alberta but there are no markers to show where. Even in modern cemetery's there are numerous unmarked graves. The key to all of this would be the burial records that the church should have for the residential schools that were under their control.

Exactly. Mass graves occurred when Hitler's forces systemically cleared out villages, so we had hundreds, if not thousands, of people being killed at that moment, or in short succession.

 

The reality with residential schools did not operate in that same way. This was a long term experiment.

 

The poster that you're quoting has clearly made up his mind based on the news he has read though.

Edited July 2, 2021 by Dazzle

[stawns]

3 hours ago, Kootenay Gold said:

I have copied this post by my niece concerning the discovery of 182 unmarked graves at the St. Eugene mission near Cranbrook BC. Lots of unanswered questions about who is buried there and the cause of death. Sadly both social media and the news media have become nothing more than gossip columns with little to no journalistic investigative standards to base their narrative on.

My hope is that these discoveries of numerous burial sites spurs this younger generation of adults and children to be ashamed by the atrocities that were committed and work very hard to ensure that every Canadian, regardless of race, color or religion, is treated with respect, dignity and equal opportunity for success in life.

 

 

 

"With the media flurry over the finding of unmarked graves in the vicinity of residential schools, I have been growing more distressed by the direction of both media and social media posts. Stephen asked me why I was so upset, and in thinking it over, I am really concerned about truth. What we have is truth: that unmarked graves have been found. However we also have seen a lot of extrapolation and assumption: these were definitely children from residential schools, hidden on purpose etc. This really bothers me because I fear that the media/social media shock and outrage has been creating a story over these past few weeks that is not necessarily truth, and in some ways I fear that we are risking losing the truth in the emotional/sensational response generated by media and social media. Further to this, I think that it should be acknowledged that the truth belongs to the survivors of the residential schools and their families and must not be taken over by the mainstream and social media narratives.

The leadership of our local band has shown an admirable commitment to discovering the truth about the 182 unmarked graves found in a cemetery near the site of the former St Eugene residential school. Here is their official statement https://www.steugene.ca/.../20210630-aqam-media-Release...

I would also encourage everyone to commit to truth by learning about the extensive work that has been done with the Truth and Reconciliation Commission of Canada https://www.rcaanc-cirnac.gc.ca/.../1450124.../1529106060525

and the National Centre for Truth and Reconciliation https://nctr.ca/.../teaching-resources/education-resources/"

I don't think that anyone is portraying this as some kind of mass murder situation.  Were some of them killed?  Very likely.  Did most likely die of disease or malnutirion?  Likely. However, I think most people see it for what it is, thousands of children who were ripped from their families, incarcerated in what amounted to a prison and died at these prisons and their bodies never returned to their communities, many of their families never even notified of what happened to them. 

 

You can't gloss over that

[Kootenay Gold]

19 minutes ago, stawns said:

You can't gloss over that

I am not trying to.

 

We may never know the true extent of the abuse that happened at these residential schools and how many died because of that or how many died due to disease or malnutrition. Maybe the church records will reveal that and perhaps not. I do hope that we are able to establish the truth of what happened to those that were buried at these residential school sites

[stawns]

25 minutes ago, Kootenay Gold said:

I am not trying to.

 

We may never know the true extent of the abuse that happened at these residential schools and how many died because of that or how many died due to disease or malnutrition. Maybe the church records will reveal that and perhaps not. I do hope that we are able to establish the truth of what happened to those that were buried at these residential school sites

I meant in general, not you specifically

[drummer4now]

I believe this sort of stuff is still happening but hidden within the ranks like Pizza gate or what not. 

 

Who knows what will be revealed in like 10-25 years or so 

 

 

[stawns]

12 minutes ago, drummer4now said:

I believe this sort of stuff is still happening but hidden within the ranks like Pizza gate or what not. 

 

Who knows what will be revealed in like 10-25 years or so 

 

 

[stawns]

1 hour ago, Dazzle said:

Exactly. Mass graves occurred when Hitler's forces systemically cleared out villages, so we had hundreds, if not thousands, of people being killed at that moment, or in short succession.

 

The reality with residential schools did not operate in that same way. This was a long term experiment.

 

The poster that you're quoting has clearly made up his mind based on the news he has read though.

a quick google search shows me that almost all news outlets are using "unmarked graves", not "mass graves"

[Dazzle]

18 minutes ago, stawns said:

a quick google search shows me that almost all news outlets are using "unmarked graves", not "mass graves"

True; you are completely correct that almost all of them are specifically saying "unmarkeed graves". However, you can see some of the language that is being used, found under this article title: "Hundreds More Unmarked Graves Found at Former Residential School in Canada"

 

(article found here) https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/24/world/canada/indigenous-children-graves-saskatchewan-canada.html

For Canada’s 1.7 million Indigenous citizens, who make up about 4.9 percent of the population, the finding of yet another mass burial site is a visceral reminder of centuries of discrimination and abuse, which has led to intergenerational trauma among survivors of residential schools and their families.

 

Granted, this is only one article that say something like this.