Bad_BOI_pete Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 Two names. Quinn Hughes, and Jack Rathbone it's a problem. We need 5 defencman that can play on PK duties. They WILL get pushed around on the PK, so simple solution lets run a extra defenseman. Why we want to test it out: the main reason is to Win games, a cheap D-man with experience on the PK (hello Bowey) could greatly reduce the workload on our young stars Bowey could be used as a D specialist filling in for key moments (when were ahead and need to defend, 4th line duties as a energy guy and on the 2nd unit PK) How it will work: 3 or 4 shifts as a energy forward 5-6 shifts as a defenceman and a fill in when myers takes his nightly ritual holding penalty. Podkolzin/hoglander/pearson/sutter (yeah he's back, but for cheap) can take extra shifts as shutdown forwards as needed. Am I crazy, have I lost my marbles, gone full Kanye? Wait a minute! maybe your the crazy one! ever think of that? some people's children. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goalie13 Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Petey_BOI said: Am I crazy, have I lost my marbles, gone full Kanye? Yes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad_BOI_pete Posted July 4, 2021 Author Share Posted July 4, 2021 Just now, goalie13 said: Yes. Final answer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 43 minutes ago, Petey_BOI said: Final answer? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YEGCanuck Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 . . . and that's a big yes for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c00kies Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 I actually do like 7 d and 11 forwards, as it keeps the defensemen fresh and an injury doesn't put excess load on the remaining d-men. Maybe if we were really deep upfront where our 4th line played a lot, but it's easy enough to double shift a forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad_BOI_pete Posted July 4, 2021 Author Share Posted July 4, 2021 32 minutes ago, YEGCanuck said: . . . and that's a big yes for me. ten 4 buckaroo! 54 minutes ago, Phil_314 said: well... you convinced me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad_BOI_pete Posted July 4, 2021 Author Share Posted July 4, 2021 27 minutes ago, c00kies said: I actually do like 7 d and 11 forwards, as it keeps the defensemen fresh and an injury doesn't put excess load on the remaining d-men. Maybe if we were really deep upfront where our 4th line played a lot, but it's easy enough to double shift a forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 40 minutes ago, YEGCanuck said: . . . and that's a big yes for me. Words NewbieCanuckFan will never hear on a Saturday night from someone of the opposite gender. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 So if we run 11 forwards which forward is going to double shift all game? BO? Miller? Someone will have to play on the 4th line that is already in the top 9 forwards, unless you think Bowey can play right wing. Adding Bowey as a 7D would help on the PK for defencemen but then what about the forwards? Usually the 4th line is used to kill penalties. So we'd be one forward short on the PK and would need to play BO and Miller more than we would want in killing penalties... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCNeil Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 2 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: So if we run 11 forwards which forward is going to double shift all game? BO? Miller? Someone will have to play on the 4th line that is already in the top 9 forwards, unless you think Bowey can play right wing. Adding Bowey as a 7D would help on the PK for defencemen but then what about the forwards? Usually the 4th line is used to kill penalties. So we'd be one forward short on the PK and would need to play BO and Miller more than we would want in killing penalties... Plus if a forward leaves a game injured you're down to 10. A big benefit of 12-6, is its still manageable if a player goes down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c00kies Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 2 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: So if we run 11 forwards which forward is going to double shift all game? BO? Miller? Someone will have to play on the 4th line that is already in the top 9 forwards, unless you think Bowey can play right wing. Adding Bowey as a 7D would help on the PK for defencemen but then what about the forwards? Usually the 4th line is used to kill penalties. So we'd be one forward short on the PK and would need to play BO and Miller more than we would want in killing penalties... You can alternate the double shifting forward, especially since it's only about 2 shifts per period that the 4th line is out there anyway, and usually someone gets stapled to the bench due to circumstances (constantly short-handed and doesn't kill penalties). 17 minutes ago, BCNeil said: Plus if a forward leaves a game injured you're down to 10. A big benefit of 12-6, is its still manageable if a player goes down. Most of the time the team will run 3 lines anyway, so I don't see this as a huge issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 (edited) Cooper in Tampa likes to run 11 + 7. It gives them the opportunity to increase the minutes of some of their depth F rather than just give them limited minutes. 7 Ds allows to cover for in game injury. I wouldn't have a D go from F to D in a game - that's confusing especially when it's a young player looking to learn the position. Would simply do like Tampa. Keep everyone at their normal position. Edited July 4, 2021 by mll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad_BOI_pete Posted July 4, 2021 Author Share Posted July 4, 2021 8 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: So if we run 11 forwards which forward is going to double shift all game? BO? Miller? Someone will have to play on the 4th line that is already in the top 9 forwards, unless you think Bowey can play right wing. Adding Bowey as a 7D would help on the PK for defencemen but then what about the forwards? Usually the 4th line is used to kill penalties. So we'd be one forward short on the PK and would need to play BO and Miller more than we would want in killing penalties... How many shifts do you think roussel took 5v5? most nights 5-6 and big nights 10-12. And who will replace those minutes? I would suggest wingers and maybe a d-man we will have 7. Wingers have the least important role out of all the positions (due to the pk and how they always get to rest some bodies) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad_BOI_pete Posted July 4, 2021 Author Share Posted July 4, 2021 5 hours ago, mll said: Cooper in Tampa likes to run 11 + 7. It gives them the opportunity to increase the minutes of some of their depth F rather than just give them limited minutes. 7 Ds allows to cover for in game injury. I wouldn't have a D go from F to D in a game - that's confusing especially when it's a young player looking to learn the position. Would simply do like Tampa. Keep everyone at their normal position. that would be the ideal plan I suppose. I'm not a coach and haven't watched many games where this strategy was used. between the 5 non-top line wingers and the 3rd line centre that leaves 6 forwards to eat 5-8 minutes a games. Thats not too hard to ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 Good thread. I also noticed that once Beagle was out and whenever Motte is out, our bottom six kind of sucked at PKing, and TG relied on Miller and Bo too much. I'm bringing this up because we need to have a bottom six that kills penalties too. Don't know why JV wasn't given a chance at this. Sutter was a regular (as he should be), he's probably gone now. Elder was slightly above Myers PK TOI and led the team, he's possibly gone too. Our PK is for sure in transition. Personally feel that most of our bottom six needs to be good at this sort of thing. The only top six guys we've had that were really good at this was Kesler, Linden and Bure (Bure because they were always at risk of a breakaway goal and it kept their D way back). McEwen lol barely played any minutes, let alone the PK. Point is our bottom six and top four D traditionally plays the PK. So get with Rathbone and QHs they won't be doing that anytime soon... well maybe OJ can do this ... he's a smooth operator. Need to not burn out Myers/Edler but they carried the load. Hamonic and Schmidt were the other Pkers but played less then half the minutes. We'd have to find a 7th D that's capable. If not then we are just spinning our wheels. If we don't re-sign Edler it will be Myers being the horse, Schmidt on the L side, OJ and Hamonic (assuming we re-sign him) and the 7th D might be .... not capable either. In short this only works IF the 7th D can do this sort of thing. Do think our PK is in transition. Know our bottom six is going to change. Like to see Hogs get some time, him and Motte are our best takeaway players. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad_BOI_pete Posted July 4, 2021 Author Share Posted July 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, IBatch said: Good thread. I also noticed that once Beagle was out and whenever Motte is out, our bottom six kind of sucked at PKing, and TG relied on Miller and Bo too much. I'm bringing this up because we need to have a bottom six that kills penalties too. Don't know why JV wasn't given a chance at this. Sutter was a regular (as he should be), he's probably gone now. Elder was slightly above Myers PK TOI and led the team, he's possibly gone too. Our PK is for sure in transition. Personally feel that most of our bottom six needs to be good at this sort of thing. The only top six guys we've had that were really good at this was Kesler, Linden and Bure (Bure because they were always at risk of a breakaway goal and it kept their D way back). McEwen lol barely played any minutes, let alone the PK. Point is our bottom six and top four D traditionally plays the PK. So get with Rathbone and QHs they won't be doing that anytime soon... well maybe OJ can do this ... he's a smooth operator. Need to not burn out Myers/Edler but they carried the load. Hamonic and Schmidt were the other Pkers but played less then half the minutes. We'd have to find a 7th D that's capable. If not then we are just spinning our wheels. If we don't re-sign Edler it will be Myers being the horse, Schmidt on the L side, OJ and Hamonic (assuming we re-sign him) and the 7th D might be .... not capable either. In short this only works IF the 7th D can do this sort of thing. Do think our PK is in transition. Know our bottom six is going to change. Like to see Hogs get some time, him and Motte are our best takeaway players. Bowey did a pretty respectable job on detroits PK. and he has an amazing contract. i think the two d-man that would fill in for hughes and rathbone on key defensive moments would be Myers and Schmidt with Bowey playing his usual right side. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Petey_BOI said: that would be the ideal plan I suppose. I'm not a coach and haven't watched many games where this strategy was used. between the 5 non-top line wingers and the 3rd line centre that leaves 6 forwards to eat 5-8 minutes a games. Thats not too hard to ask. Not the article I was looking for but they also cite matchups as reason to go 11 + 7. https://www.tampabay.com/sports/hockey/lightning/Lightning-s-Jon-Cooper-uses-unusual-tactic-to-create-mismatches_161927946/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Petey_BOI said: Bowey did a pretty respectable job on detroits PK. and he has an amazing contract. i think the two d-man that would fill in for hughes and rathbone on key defensive moments would be Myers and Schmidt with Bowey playing his usual right side. Bowey was the trade i was waiting for nervously all year. We don't need to protect both of Schmidt and Myers if plans change, but we certainly needed the option to do that. Given the rumblings i am curious if JB will expose Schmidt and if Seattle would take him (pretty good chance they would, or the group of Ds suspected only Dumba can match his career plus maybe a little) ... Bowey i doubt will be taken but like we found with Vegas, things didn't go at all like folks thought they would and wow did that team work out well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted July 4, 2021 Share Posted July 4, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, IBatch said: Good thread. I also noticed that once Beagle was out and whenever Motte is out, our bottom six kind of sucked at PKing, and TG relied on Miller and Bo too much. I'm bringing this up because we need to have a bottom six that kills penalties too. Don't know why JV wasn't given a chance at this. Sutter was a regular (as he should be), he's probably gone now. Elder was slightly above Myers PK TOI and led the team, he's possibly gone too. Our PK is for sure in transition. Personally feel that most of our bottom six needs to be good at this sort of thing. The only top six guys we've had that were really good at this was Kesler, Linden and Bure (Bure because they were always at risk of a breakaway goal and it kept their D way back). McEwen lol barely played any minutes, let alone the PK. Point is our bottom six and top four D traditionally plays the PK. So get with Rathbone and QHs they won't be doing that anytime soon... well maybe OJ can do this ... he's a smooth operator. Need to not burn out Myers/Edler but they carried the load. Hamonic and Schmidt were the other Pkers but played less then half the minutes. We'd have to find a 7th D that's capable. If not then we are just spinning our wheels. If we don't re-sign Edler it will be Myers being the horse, Schmidt on the L side, OJ and Hamonic (assuming we re-sign him) and the 7th D might be .... not capable either. In short this only works IF the 7th D can do this sort of thing. Do think our PK is in transition. Know our bottom six is going to change. Like to see Hogs get some time, him and Motte are our best takeaway players. 11 F is an interesting idea as we might be able to pull off the Petey-Bo-Miller 3C thing a little easier if its happening more on the fly, but Green would have to completely change his coaching style over the summer. We can probably find a stay at home d or two in order to make this work, but thats not Bowey. Edited July 4, 2021 by Jimmy McGill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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