Bad_BOI_pete Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, aGENT said: Saves them $1m over Killorn and allows them to sign a guy the day after the season starts, utilizing the LTIR space. Yes, it does. yes, all it saves is 1 million. ferland still counts toward the cap, so there is no additional savings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Petey_BOI said: yes, all it saves is 1 million. ferland still counts toward the cap, so there is no additional savings. Not additional 'savings', no. But the day after the season starts they can then utilize his LTIR to effectively go over the cap. So they save $1m and then get a bonus $3.5m of cap space, one day in to the season. Between that and Johnson to SEA... That gets them most of the way under the cap. That right there might be enough to PTO Savard through camp and then bring him back one day in. Edited July 11, 2021 by aGENT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Goose Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 15 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Friedman is reporting the Canucks want a third line center with size so that rules out the likes of Granlund and Janmark. I could see us making a Jenner trade or taking a flyer on the likes of Patrick. Getzlaf would be an interesting cheap veteran option. Can that guy still skate? If the Canucks can trade for someone better I'm all for it. I was thinking Getzlaf but can't see him leaving ANH for VAN on a minimal salary. Lots on JBs plate atm. Hope we see EP/Hughes signed soon then hopefully some of the F/D holes filled right after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appleboy Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 There is lots of good choices. I just hope he goes bargan hunting. It never ends well when Jim gets focused on one or two names because he ends throughing too much cash at them. Unless the deal is exceptional wait to see who is left. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, appleboy said: There is lots of good choices. I just hope he goes bargan hunting. It never ends well when Jim gets focused on one or two names because he ends throughing too much cash at them. Unless the deal is exceptional wait to see who is left. I’m thinking any decisions Benning makes will need to be explained to the Twins first. The Twins will be involved in all parts of the club including the draft, and UFA signings. So Benning said. Imagine the Questions the Twins will ask Benning if any signing! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appleboy Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 24 minutes ago, Alflives said: I’m thinking any decisions Benning makes will need to be explained to the Twins first. The Twins will be involved in all parts of the club including the draft, and UFA signings. So Benning said. Imagine the Questions the Twins will ask Benning if any signing! You never know. Hard to know what the dynamics are or will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad_BOI_pete Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 1 hour ago, aGENT said: Not additional 'savings', no. But the day after the season starts they can then utilize his LTIR to effectively go over the cap. So they save $1m and then get a bonus $3.5m of cap space, one day in to the season. Between that and Johnson to SEA... That gets them most of the way under the cap. That right there might be enough to PTO Savard through camp and then bring him back one day in. there is no bonus and there is no advantage, last year someone convinced me that there WAS a bonus and the team got to play with a roster above 81.5m. I checked into it and must have calculated the playing roster salary incorrectly. TBL roster salary (pre-playoffs) last year was 81.5m. Ferland has no value @mll patiently explained it to me through MY stubbornness. I double checked and it was correct, even the tweets by gord miller earlier in the year were deleted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 3 hours ago, RWJC said: Sadly, “rotting” for that much cashola at his age and intrinsic value is probably quite enjoyable for him, regardless of how much it hamstrings the team overall. He had a pedigree and was offered this contract based on it. What a disappointment. If he had any integrity at all he would retire. I understand he signed a contract. But he hasn’t been a NHL player for 2 seasons now and was extremely underwhelming before that. Maybe a sold 1-2 million guy. Not 6. If he wants to “rot” he can do it in Abbotsford. I’m ok with buying out a Virtanen or Roussel but no Loui. No sir. I want him off the books completely next year 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patel Bure Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 Mikael Granlund is still my guy: Can play all three forward positions excellent two way game Podkolzin will need a good center to play with in order to maximize his offensive potential. That’s where Granlund comes in. Andreas Athanasiou would likely be my 2nd choice. If the Canucks can’t get any of these guys, then I’d like at Tyler Johnson from Tampa Bay and see if we can acquire Johnson for one of our dead caps (I.e. Michael Ferland - this would give Tampa some more LTIR room). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad_BOI_pete Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Patel Bure said: If the Canucks can’t get any of these guys, then I’d like at Tyler Johnson from Tampa Bay and see if we can acquire Johnson for one of our dead caps (I.e. Michael Ferland - this would give Tampa some more LTIR room). actually no it wouldn't. what it would give them is our dead cap, there's no loophole's. 81.5 +kuch9.5 +hossa5.275+nilsson2.6= 98.875 no bonus Edited July 12, 2021 by Petey_BOI 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Patel Bure said: Mikael Granlund is still my guy: Can play all three forward positions excellent two way game Podkolzin will need a good center to play with in order to maximize his offensive potential. That’s where Granlund comes in. Andreas Athanasiou would likely be my 2nd choice. If the Canucks can’t get any of these guys, then I’d like at Tyler Johnson from Tampa Bay and see if we can acquire Johnson for one of our dead caps (I.e. Michael Ferland - this would give Tampa some more LTIR room). Ferland's contract wasn't insured so even if he's on LTIR, the hockey team who owns him will still have to pay him (and not an insurance company). Significantly fewer teams want that kind of real cash expense. Edited July 12, 2021 by NewbieCanuckFan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakrami Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 I fail to see how we have 4-5million of cap space lol. Especially when first in line is to sign like 3 more defensemen after Hughes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Petey_BOI said: there is no bonus and there is no advantage, last year someone convinced me that there WAS a bonus and the team got to play with a roster above 81.5m. I checked into it and must have calculated the playing roster salary incorrectly. TBL roster salary (pre-playoffs) last year was 81.5m. Ferland has no value @mll patiently explained it to me through MY stubbornness. I double checked and it was correct, even the tweets by gord miller earlier in the year were deleted You don't know what you're talking about. Again. We already did this in another thread. Edited July 12, 2021 by aGENT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EP Phone Home Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 Coleman,Danualt and Schwartz are all on my list. At the same time they very well could be priced out for us. We need to manage our cap in FA as long as Petey And Quinn aren’t signed. Might have to go with cheaper bargain bin deals (Vanek, Hamonic) which I’m fine with. Aggressive but suitable timing this off season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad_BOI_pete Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, aGENT said: You don't know what you're talking about. Again. We already did this in another thread. Just like the majority of stubborn people on here, you are too obsessed with being right. I was no better when @mll was describing it to me. by the way have you actually ever pulled up cap friendly and checked? regardless, this was my original stance that TBL was not circumventing, someone (maybe you) convinced me other wise. once again Ill prove it to you 81.5+9.5+5.275+2.6+= 98.875 - those 3 players = 81.5 https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/cap-tracker/lightning take a look for yourself there projected hit was pretty close to 98-99m all year right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 13 minutes ago, Petey_BOI said: Just like the majority of stubborn people on here, you are too obsessed with being right. I was no better when @mll was describing it to me. by the way have you actually ever pulled up cap friendly and checked? regardless, this was my original stance that TBL was not circumventing, someone (maybe you) convinced me other wise. once again Ill prove it to you 81.5+9.5+5.275+2.6+= 98.875 - those 3 players = 81.5 https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/cap-tracker/lightning take a look for yourself there projected hit was pretty close to 98-99m all year right? I don't think you even understand what you're arguing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcam Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 7 hours ago, Gawdzukes said: I see there is a lot of discussion regarding our defence but I saw this article on nhl.com and figured this is something people haven't speculated on as much due to our cap concerns. After reading this through, seeing the opportunities, and knowing JB I would have to think there has to be a plan to upgrade the forwards as well as the defence. How that happens only Jim, Gear, and Wiesy know but I wonder what you all think about who we would would target. Keep in mind I'm thinking we can come up with $3 - $5 million after sorting out the chafe. I'll let you know my thoughts after you read the article. https://www.nhl.com/news/top-unrestricted-free-agent-forwards-available/c-325621432 One thing I noticed is there are a lot of good face-off men and power play guys. I don't think we need power play guys, we're crowded there already so I wouldn't really want a guy that scores mostly on the PP. In addition there are also some real gud penalty killers. I firmly believe we need a top notch PK'er with Beagle, Sutter, Motte, all questionable. We also need a third line center and a LW. So I guess I'm making a list. Feel free to disagree. Nick Bonino - 2 x $2.75 (33 looking for security / 3 yr deal, he'll probably sign elsewhere) https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=105377 Blake Coleman - 4 x $3.2 (29, he should cash in, tough player, 207 he can score, top PK'er) https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=123293 Philip Danault - 4 x $4.2 (28, Center low points last year, great face-offs, PK, two way play) https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=122605 Nick Foligno - 2 x $3.25 (33, former Captain, hit leader, physical left wing, PK'er, low points) https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=80212 Ryan Getsalaugh - 1 yr - $9.225 000 - (Leader, Center, Face-offs) https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=62467 Taylor Hall - 3 x $5.5m (29, good physical left winger, great on the PP) https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=106818 Mike Hoffman - 1 x $2.5 (31, down year, had a hard time getting a contract last year) https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=102284 David Krejci - 2 x $4 (35, Center, great on the face-off, great secondary 2-way player) https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=78644 Gabriel Landeskog 6x6 (28, Captain, consistent 20 goal scorer, 2 way player) https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=118530 Alex Ovechkin - 3 x 9.5 (The man, the legend, apparently he can score) https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=118530 Kyle Palmieri 2 x $2.5 (30, off year but perennial 20 goal scorer, PP guy) https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=120908 Corey Perry 1 x $775,000 (36, great season with the habs, kind of a goof) https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=59656 Brandon Saad 2 x $4.5 (28, Goal scorer, 207, he's been bouncing around a bit) https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=123396 Jayden Schwartz - 3 x $3.9 (28, Lw, 50 point guy, more of a playmaker, and feisty) https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=118953 Paul Stastny 1 x $2.25 (35, Tough player but doesn't generate points like his pops) https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=69840 Joe Thornton 1 x Rooster (420, I think he's done lol) https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=23710 I see Perry, Ovechkin, Landeskog, and Krecji, maybe Danault, re-signing with their teams. Hall is in left field, Thornton, Hoffman, and Palmieri are write-offs. That leaves Coleman Danualt Foligno Schwartz Saad Bonino I think that's JB's order but I'd go hard for Schwartz, Coleman, or Saad. Might have to re-sign Sutter cheap or play Miller/Lind. I really think JB will go after Foligno, that's his type of player and fits what we're doing to a T. You know what happens when you sign players over 29... Rather go after Appleton 6'2 , 205 3rd line GP 57 - 25 pts ---- Foegele 25, 6'2 upside, ver fasts Graves 6'5, TOI 20:00 -- Ssad 27, 25-30 G might be 5 million, Lots of good players team can't protect... Will be exciting July 12 - 16th should be lots of moves before July 17 roster freeze for expansion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad_BOI_pete Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, aGENT said: I don't think you even understand what you're arguing. and i'm the one thats right, man that makes you look bad doesn't it. i tried helping you, but continue making a ass of yourself making posts. where your just outlandishly wrong because of pride. sad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Petey_BOI said: and i'm the one thats right, man that makes you look bad doesn't it. i tried helping you, but continue making a ass of yourself making posts. where your just outlandishly wrong because of pride. sad Swapping Ferland for Killorn saves them $1m in cap over two years and also allows them to utilize Ferland's LTIR status to perhaps retain a guy like Savard with the $3.5 in LTIR relief they would get after day one of the start of the season. Whatever you think you're arguing, you're not. And the petty nonsense doesn't help your case. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad_BOI_pete Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, aGENT said: Swapping Ferland for Killorn saves them $1m in cap over two years and also allows them to utilize Ferland's LTIR status to perhaps retain a guy like Savard with the $3.5 in LTIR relief they would get after day one of the start of the season. Whatever you think you're arguing, you're not. And the petty nonsense doesn't help your case. your just so stuck on being right. what your saying doesn't even make sense. killorn 4.4 - 3.5= 900k savings hooray we can agree on something. lets say you put ferland on LTIR on the first day. you do realize that ferland has to fit within the cap before relief is given? you cant start the season over the cap and ferlands cap ALWAYS COUNTS. so..... lightning and ferland are at 81.5m than you can place him on LTIR (your situation). After which you get 3.5m in relief. 81.5 +3.5 = 85 million cap BUT a 81.5 million playing roster maximum ever. which means no bonus space. so no were never trading ferland, he's basically a 3.5m dollar nuisance. no one wants him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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