Chris12345 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 35 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: if they had waited a day they could have gone after Sutter. Ouch. I doubt Sutter wants to go there....that's the challenge is my guess? Marion Hossa! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 48 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: if they had waited a day they could have gone after Sutter. Ouch. Maybe they will sign him for 5 million for 2 years??? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 Shockingly weak effort by Holland imo. Had all the leverage in the deal: 1) Gave up a pick and prospect for a player that 'should have' been a cap dump deal. 2) No cap retained. Is Keith presently worth his cap hit? No. Could he be in Edmonton? - possibly, but that is irrelevent. Actual performance to date is what matters - serviceable is not good enough. 3) NMC travels with Keith - meaning he will be protected (as well as Nurse). Meaning either Bear or Klefbom will be exposed, with a question mark remaining over Larsson.... The value Edmonton surrendered here - may need to be further calculated. That combination of factors is borderline mind-boggling imo. Further - what Edmonton could alternatively have done with that cap in a deflated-cap UFA market..... Doing a favour to a multiple Cup winning franchise like Chicago....at this particular point in time....facepalm imo. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 1 minute ago, oldnews said: Shockingly weak effort by Holland imo. Had all the leverage in the deal: 1) Gave up a pick and prospect for a player that 'should have' been a cap dump deal. 2) No cap retained. Is Keith presently worth his cap hit? No. Could he be in Edmonton? - possibly, but that is irrelevent. Actual performance to date is what matters - serviceable is not good enough. 3) NMC travels with Keith - meaning he will be protected (as well as Nurse). Meaning either Bear or Klefbom will be exposed, with a question mark remaining over Larsson.... The value Edmonton surrendered here - may need to be further calculated. That combination of factors is borderline mind-boggling imo. Further - what Edmonton could alternatively have done with that cap in a deflated-cap UFA market..... Doing a favour to a multiple Cup winning franchise like Chicago....at this particular point in time....facepalm imo. So basically you’re saying the potential cost here could become: Jones + 3rd + Bear (expansion loss) + Larsen (UFA loss) Holy crap! When you put it like that, it’s an incredibly bad trade for the Oilers. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Alflives said: So basically you’re saying the potential cost here could become: Jones + 3rd + Bear (expansion loss) + Larsen (UFA loss) Holy crap! When you put it like that, it’s an incredibly bad trade for the Oilers. And/or alternative UFA targets that could hit the market this offseason. Right before an expansion draft - where many teams are looking to part with contracts....only adding to the leverage of buyers... And they effectively enable Chicago to protect an additional defenseman.... While dumping 5+ million x 2 years - for a guy that had unimpressive outcomes, to say the least... I wouldn't have claimed him off waivers - not even close. I mean, guys like Tyler Johnson clear waivers....while Edmonton gives up assets and a protection spot for this 38 yr old. Bizarre stuff. Edited July 13, 2021 by oldnews 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJC Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 17 hours ago, AlwaysACanuckFan said: Next brainwave signing by Kenny Holland...Mini McDavid: 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 33 minutes ago, oldnews said: Shockingly weak effort by Holland imo. Had all the leverage in the deal: 1) Gave up a pick and prospect for a player that 'should have' been a cap dump deal. 2) No cap retained. Is Keith presently worth his cap hit? No. Could he be in Edmonton? - possibly, but that is irrelevent. Actual performance to date is what matters - serviceable is not good enough. 3) NMC travels with Keith - meaning he will be protected (as well as Nurse). Meaning either Bear or Klefbom will be exposed, with a question mark remaining over Larsson.... The value Edmonton surrendered here - may need to be further calculated. That combination of factors is borderline mind-boggling imo. Further - what Edmonton could alternatively have done with that cap in a deflated-cap UFA market..... Doing a favour to a multiple Cup winning franchise like Chicago....at this particular point in time....facepalm imo. I suspect Keith waives for the ED as Seattle is close to his kid as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinatcc Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 The hockey Gods must really like the Blackhawks. They win 3 cups in their dynasty era after 2 years of missing the playoffs they move up the draft to the third overall and get rid of Keith's contract while acquire some good assets. Like the two things that are supposed to happen to the Hawks after being a top team (a dry prospect pool and bad contracts) they were able to avoid. How lucky can a team get? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
250Integra Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, iinatcc said: The hockey Gods must really like the Blackhawks. They win 3 cups in their dynasty era after 2 years of missing the playoffs they move up the draft to the third overall and get rid of Keith's contract while acquire some good assets. Like the two things that are supposed to happen to the Hawks after being a top team (a dry prospect pool and bad contracts) they were able to avoid. How lucky can a team get? Don't forget one of their big contract players developed an allergic reaction to hockey equipment too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Shirokov Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 I don't think this was a bad move at all. Klefbom's career is likely done, and there is a huge gaping hole on the blueline. Who in free agency was Edmonton going to sign that wants to play there? Maybe Edler? but it would have likely cost a similar cap hit to Keith on the open market. And Edler is likely to sign in Vancouver anyways. While the cost is high, Edmonton fills two holes with one move: A top-four defensemen, and a veteran leader who has won three cups. Keith isnt a norris calibre defensemen any more, but surely, he still is a capable top four d man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, 250Integra said: Don't forget one of their big contract players developed an allergic reaction to hockey equipment too That would show the opposite. Hossa's retirement precipitated their downfall. They learned he would retire just after they traded Panarin and Hjalmarsson for cap reasons that same off-season. Kane and Toews were only in the 2nd year of their massive deals. They haven't made the playoffs since Hossa retired other than last season's bubble. Edited July 13, 2021 by mll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 1 hour ago, King Heffy said: I suspect Keith waives for the ED as Seattle is close to his kid as well. in which case Edmonton spent a 3rd and prospect to expose and send him to Seattle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 19 minutes ago, oldnews said: in which case Edmonton spent a 3rd and prospect to expose and send him to Seattle? Giving up a third to Seattle is actually pretty good compared to what most teams are looking at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 51 minutes ago, Sergei Shirokov said: I don't think this was a bad move at all. Klefbom's career is likely done, and there is a huge gaping hole on the blueline. Who in free agency was Edmonton going to sign that wants to play there? Maybe Edler? but it would have likely cost a similar cap hit to Keith on the open market. And Edler is likely to sign in Vancouver anyways. While the cost is high, Edmonton fills two holes with one move: A top-four defensemen, and a veteran leader who has won three cups. Keith isnt a norris calibre defensemen any more, but surely, he still is a capable top four d man. 38 2 x 5+ NMC Who would want to inflate their stats riding on McMe/Draisaitl? (Barrie just finished re-inflating himself on a one year 3.75 deal...) https://www.spotrac.com/nhl/free-agents/defenseman/ufa/ Suter Goligoski Hamilton Hjalmarsson Murray Demers Cole Savard Larsson Martinez Montour Gustafsson Nemeth Oleksiak Vatanen Hamonic ........ We can presume that no one would want to go to Edmonton? Not to mention the defensemen that teams are going to shop due to expansion draft exposure... @DeNiro made the (good) point - that Schmidt was had for less, last offseason.....expansion is likely to only enhance the buying opportunities imo (and might make it even more precarious for free agents, as well). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 16 minutes ago, oldnews said: in which case Edmonton spent a 3rd and prospect to expose and send him to Seattle? which would be hilarious. Holland needed to be a little bit more patient, but I guess he got played by the media comments about "Pacific Northwest"? dunno. You'd think he would have had more options than this. Man if they lose Larsson now its a real step back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 1 minute ago, King Heffy said: Giving up a third to Seattle is actually pretty good compared to what most teams are looking at. first, you're assuming that Keith would waive for expansion - while he retained his NMC in this deal - what's the point of requesting the trade, again? not sure that logic applies even were he to waive, again. if the next guy down the exposure chart is worth more than Keith, then making the acquisition doesn't really make sense, to then expose him - and if they're worth less than Keith, presumably, you're adding to the loss, regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-P Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 Been trying to get my head around this trade but it makes no sense. Holland actually believes Keith will make the Oilers better and is worth that cap hit for 2 more years? Ok... Then of course Minny bought out Parise and Suter which makes even less sense, so now I'm confused about that instead ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJC Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Sergei Shirokov said: I don't think this was a bad move at all. Klefbom's career is likely done, and there is a huge gaping hole on the blueline. Who in free agency was Edmonton going to sign that wants to play there? Maybe Edler? but it would have likely cost a similar cap hit to Keith on the open market. And Edler is likely to sign in Vancouver anyways. While the cost is high, Edmonton fills two holes with one move: A top-four defensemen, and a veteran leader who has won three cups. Keith isnt a norris calibre defensemen any more, but surely, he still is a capable top four d man. Hamonic hasn’t been signed yet and previously wanted to stay in Western Canada. That’s one. We still have no idea who else is going to become available on D. This move could’ve been made just prior to the ED protection list submission later this week where Holland really could have put the squeeze on CHI, but instead maybe he jumped the gun too early? Time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, J-P said: Been trying to get my head around this trade but it makes no sense. Holland actually believes Keith will make the Oilers better and is worth that cap hit for 2 more years? Ok... Then of course Minny bought out Parise and Suter which makes even less sense, so now I'm confused about that instead ;-) Watch Chicago sign Suter - after the e.d. - to a short term deal worth less than Keith's... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runtzguy Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 On 7/12/2021 at 11:10 AM, -Vintage Canuck- said: Wtf..... Bowman is a god. Bowman is able to spin this deal from the Oilers doing the Hawks a favor to the Hawks doing the Oilers a favor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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