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[Trade] Blackhawks trade Duncan Keith, Tim Soderlund to Oilers for Caleb Jones, conditional 2022 3rd-round pick


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Too many pharmaceuticals floating around in the Edmonton board rooms?

 

Perhaps Katz likes the fact that the deal is for 5.3 million at 2.1 and 1.5 of salary and had a hand in the deal?

 

Maybe he didn't make enough money in pharm and real estate during the pandemic......:sick:

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1 hour ago, oldnews said:

38

2 x 5+

NMC

 

 

Who would want to inflate their stats riding on McMe/Draisaitl? 

 

(Barrie just finished re-inflating himself on a one year 3.75 deal...)

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nhl/free-agents/defenseman/ufa/

 

Suter

Goligoski

Hamilton

Hjalmarsson

Murray

Demers

Cole

Savard

Larsson

Martinez

Montour

Gustafsson

Nemeth

Oleksiak

Vatanen

Hamonic

........

 

We can presume that no one would want to go to Edmonton?

 

Not to mention the defensemen that teams are going to shop due to expansion draft exposure...

 

@DeNiro made the (good) point - that Schmidt was had for less, last offseason.....expansion is likely to only enhance the buying opportunities imo (and might make it even more precarious for free agents, as well).

 

There's really no guarantee that any one of those guys would have went to Edmonton, even for over payment. Also, none of those guys could really offer what Keith brings.

 

Schmidt was had for less, but he comes at a higher cap hit, and I don't know for sure if he's all that much better than Keith. Also, Schmidt had a NTC, and somewhat controlled his destination. Schmidt prob would not have waived to go to Edmonton. 

 

Maybe Hamonic wants to stay in Western Canada, but that doesnt mean he'd sign in Edmonton. 

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2 hours ago, J-P said:

Been trying to get my head around this trade but it makes no sense. Holland actually believes Keith will make the Oilers better and is worth that cap hit for 2 more years? Ok...

 

Then of course Minny bought out Parise and Suter which makes even less sense, so now I'm confused about that instead ;-)

Maybe he's banking Keith will still have one good year in him and maybe retires the next season. Or use some the LTIR magic 

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While maybe not the best trade in the world, the more I think about it the more this trade makes sense for Edmonton. Keith fills a gaping hole in Edmonton, that of a veteran leadership presence that can still play the game. He may not be a Norris contender anymore but his approach to the game and experience could be vital in bringing their core to the next level.

 

That being said, the Oilers still have some massive holes in their lineup and I'm kind of hoping they fail miserably next season. 

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5 hours ago, Sergei Shirokov said:

There's really no guarantee that any one of those guys would have went to Edmonton, even for over payment. Also, none of those guys could really offer what Keith brings.

the whole 'no one would want to go to Edmonton' thing is pointless imo.  there's no saying either way but we hear that all the time and players go where no one thinks they would/should - that there are no 'guarantees' is no reason to make a panic move overpayment for Keith - right before arguably one of the best times to be a buyer.

 

If you can't sell the opportunity to feed on McMe1st and Draisaitl - you probably should not be GMing in the NHL.

 

The additional thing that some people aren't considering - aside from the age, cap hit, decline, NMC and expansion draft - is that Keith limited Chicago's option to the 'west coast' - and Holland still could not translate all that into leverage.   He needed to be prepared to walk away at the wrong price - and clearly, he was not.

 

The second bolded part is just a bad take = there are at least a half dozen guys on that list that I'd take over a 38 yr old Keith - and most on that list will probably sign for comparable or better terms, without the NMC - and after the expansion draft meaning no need to spend a spot on them.

 

Keith should be able to uptick on his poor numbers in Chicago - but the argument (ie that Button is making) - that no one would have had good numbers in Chicago last year is bizarre.   First - on a powerplay that has guys like Kane and DeBrincat, Keith had a goal and 5 assists....playing over 18 minutes at es a game, he had 6 assists....beyond his ability to produce, is Keith really 'all that' - as you are suggesting - as if 'no one else in that free agent class can bring what he does'? 

The assumption that he's going to get better at 38 yrs old - is an odd bet imo - when the signs of decline are there (further decline would probably be the 'better' bet).

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37 minutes ago, Diamonds said:

While maybe not the best trade in the world, the more I think about it the more this trade makes sense for Edmonton. Keith fills a gaping hole in Edmonton, that of a veteran leadership presence that can still play the game. He may not be a Norris contender anymore but his approach to the game and experience could be vital in bringing their core to the next level.

 

That being said, the Oilers still have some massive holes in their lineup and I'm kind of hoping they fail miserably next season. 

That’s the crux of it all though. Did bringing in Keith effectively weaken their D corps with Barrie and Larsson potentially lost to FA due to reduced cap space. Unless they planned to retool their D and assumed Klefbom was unfit, his LTIR dollars could  have gone to re-upping those two. Instead it went to Keith. Leaves a gaping hole that will be interesting to see who they fill with.

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On 7/12/2021 at 3:17 PM, PhillipBlunt said:

I wonder how many years Holland extends him for.

Please… that would be awesome.  
 

Why does every GM suck in Edmonton since Sather left.  It’s been that bad.  Is Lowe still involved… gotta be something in the water, Edmonton isn’t nearly as bad as Calgary was to live in, would rather go to Jasper vs Banff, especially if your wanting privacy.  
 

honeslty. Kieth is no Chris Chelios. He would have to even better to be worth the price paid. IMO.  

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