DeNiro Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 Just now, Alflives said: True, but who on the Leafs is left to retrieve pucks, and win board battles? Campbell can retrieve pucks. Out of his net! 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gawdzukes Posted July 22, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, Alflives said: True, but who on the Leafs is left to retrieve pucks, and win board battles? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJC Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 17 minutes ago, -AJ- said: I wouldn't say heavily injured, but definitely missing a good number of games. He's got 165 games out of 208 possible games in the past three years, which pro-rates to about 65 games per 82-game season. Definitely Tanev/Salo-like in that regard. The thing that would concern me is the type of game Hyman plays leads to injury. The way you pro-rated his history lends more to how his agent would argue for him, but if I was a GM in negotiations I’d argue that he’s approaching 30 years old, playing a taxing style of game on a body that has previous issues, and as he gets older, that wear and tear has much more of an effect, even exponentially. If he wants term, and gets it, it’s a gamble. A big one. If I was a Coiler fan I’d be stressed. That he’s going to get injured at a time when he’s needed most, like a stretch run for playoff positioning, or even in the playoffs themselves. Times when players up their play level and push their own limits. I understand market value, but Imho I just think he’s not worth it even at a low AAV. Year 2 or year 3 he will visibly decline from the level and style of play he is accustomed to and has had success with. I just can’t see his body keeping up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 3 hours ago, RWJC said: The thing that would concern me is the type of game Hyman plays leads to injury. The way you pro-rated his history lends more to how his agent would argue for him, but if I was a GM in negotiations I’d argue that he’s approaching 30 years old, playing a taxing style of game on a body that has previous issues, and as he gets older, that wear and tear has much more of an effect, even exponentially. If he wants term, and gets it, it’s a gamble. A big one. If I was a Coiler fan I’d be stressed. That he’s going to get injured at a time when he’s needed most, like a stretch run for playoff positioning, or even in the playoffs themselves. Times when players up their play level and push their own limits. I understand market value, but Imho I just think he’s not worth it even at a low AAV. Year 2 or year 3 he will visibly decline from the level and style of play he is accustomed to and has had success with. I just can’t see his body keeping up. You make fair points. I didn't consider his aging body as he goes into his 30s and how that might affect injuries and his recovery time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patel Bure Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 @kanucks25 - pray tell, how did Benning “whiff” on Hyman? How do you even know this? Isn’t it possible that Benning saw what type of term and money Hyman was asking for and simply walked away? “Alex Biega is better than Tyler Myers” ”Benning wanted Glass over Pettersson.” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfgang Durst Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 17 hours ago, Smashian Kassian said: Elliotte on a new 31 thoughts pod this morning said 40Mish regardless of which term it ends up. So roughly 5M x 8, or 5.7M x 7. Glad we aren't in on this. My point was that Oilers are focusing on a "sign and trade" deal with Toronto , because only in this case Oilers are able to give him 8 years. in addition to that 8 year term would bring down the AAV which is obviously quite helpful in a flat cap world. Toronto of course is not obliged to do a sign & trade. Dubas has made it publicly that TOR would have to get fair value if they do a "sign and trade". Hope this provides necessary clarification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfgang Durst Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 12 hours ago, DeNiro said: Campbell can retrieve pucks. Out of his net! love you sense of humor. Would like TOR to add Holtby as their backup. Holtby retrieving pucks for the Leafs. Would be fun to watch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanucks25 Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 7 hours ago, Patel Bure said: @kanucks25 - pray tell, how did Benning “whiff” on Hyman? How do you even know this? Isn’t it possible that Benning saw what type of term and money Hyman was asking for and simply walked away? “Alex Biega is better than Tyler Myers” ”Benning wanted Glass over Pettersson.” I don't even want us to sign Hyman... If he whiffed, I'm glad he did. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 Lol at Dubas “not bending” on trading Hymans rights, like he has any leverage. Rather than getting any pick for a player they’re 100% losing he’d rather hold out till Wednesday and get nothing. Also the Leafs still think scoring depth is their problem. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzipunch Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 Just now, DeNiro said: Lol at Dubas “not bending” on trading Hymans rights, like he has any leverage. Rather than getting any pick for a player they’re 100% losing he’d rather hold out till Wednesday and get nothing. Also the Leafs still think scoring depth is their problem. Yeah losing hyman is huge for them. Why not justvtake the 6th indont get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 Just now, Bertuzzipunch said: Yeah losing hyman is huge for them. Why not justvtake the 6th indont get it. We wouldn’t understand his delicate genius. Its all part of his 150 step plan to build a championship team. Three or four more rebuilds and they’ll be right there! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 On 7/23/2021 at 5:03 AM, Wolfgang Durst said: love you sense of humor. Would like TOR to add Holtby as their backup. Holtby retrieving pucks for the Leafs. Would be fun to watch. Not a bad idea… apparently Rielly may be available… TOR Holtby (The guy won a Cup and is only 31) Virtanen VAN Rielly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 (edited) On 7/23/2021 at 11:33 AM, kanucks25 said: I don't even want us to sign Hyman... If he whiffed, I'm glad he did. Why would Benning whiff? Edited July 25, 2021 by Me_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 11 minutes ago, Me_ said: Not a bad idea… apparently Rielly may be available… TOR Holtby (The guy won a Cup and is only 31) Virtanen VAN Rielly Team needs size on the right side. Josh Manson. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 Benning has a better player in Garland at a much better salary than Hyman. It’ll take too long to wash the Laffs stench off of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrissex95 Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 25 minutes ago, Me_ said: Not a bad idea… apparently Rielly may be available… TOR Holtby (The guy won a Cup and is only 31) Virtanen VAN Rielly Is that a real trade? Rielly is definitely a $7.5-8 Million dollar player. He won't come here for that, not even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrissex95 Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 Zach Hyman is David Clarkson 2.0 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzipunch Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 32 minutes ago, morrissex95 said: Is that a real trade? Rielly is definitely a $7.5-8 Million dollar player. He won't come here for that, not even close. Good, nobody wants him here anyways. Last thing we need is another high priced offensive LHD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzipunch Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 Ken Holland trying to figure out math!! Lmfao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 6 minutes ago, Bertuzzipunch said: Ken Holland trying to figure out math!! Lmfao Oh boy. They better hope they have someone else handling the cap there… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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