[Proposal] Making more cap space.

[qwijibo]

1 minute ago, VegasCanuck said:

Better idea;

 

Offer Seattle our 2nd round pick to take Loui for 1 season or to buy him out.

 

Buy out Virtanen and Holtby.

 

This creates about 12.3 million in additional cap space for next season.

 

There is no real reason to buy out Roussel, I’d rather give him the chance to come into camp and show that he can regain the same level of play he had first year here, before the knee injury. Worst case, send him to Abbotsford, you only gain about 400k more in buying him out than parking him in the minors.

 

Beagle, we are a better team and harder to score against when he’s in the lineup. Buying him out would actually cost us more on cap than just sending him to Abbotsford if needed.

 

Doing this, you still get almost to 15 million total potential savings with far less carryover into additional years.

Apparently Seattle’s prices to make deals have been termed as “exorbitant”. I doubt a 2nd gets them to take Ericksson 

[Chris12345]

2 minutes ago, Johnny Torts said:

Oh yeah 100% &^@# management its all on players to turn water into wine &^@# yeah! Totally!

I wouldn't go that far haha but the players get paid I don't think the team owes them anything.

[qwijibo]

3 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said:

Holtby is the best player that we will expose, they will take him if available.

Holtby has had a sub .900 sv% the last 2 seasons. He’s regressing quickly.  Seattle will likely look elsewhere for goalies and take a player like Gadjovich to fill their minor league team 

Edited July 16, 2021 by qwijibo

[NewbieCanuckFan]

3 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said:

Holtby is the best player that we will expose, they will take him if available.

He's an aging poor backup goalie with a 4+ million cap hit.  He ain't the best player (for Seattle) to take.  Far better for Seattle to take a low cap hit player on the Canucks we have left exposed.  Better to use the other 2-3 million in cap space on depth player who will be in their iced lineup every game.

[VegasCanuck]

6 minutes ago, qwijibo said:

Apparently Seattle’s prices to make deals have been termed as “exorbitant”. I doubt a 2nd gets them to take Ericksson 

That's always how it starts, but usually, deals get more reasonable as you get closer to the actual draw. You always start negotiating high, that's how negotiating works!

 

[King Heffy]

24 minutes ago, UKNuck96 said:

If it one of them so be it,   better to lose one then to pay them to take another player if that’s what they want as we make ourselves weaker and a direct divisional rival stronger by adding. 

Depends on the price.  If it's something like a third, that's more than worth it.

[VegasCanuck]

5 minutes ago, qwijibo said:

Holtby has had a sub .900 sv% the last 2 seasons. He’s regressing quickly.  Seattle will likely look elsewhere for goalies and take a player like Gadjovich to fill their minor league team 

The whole team was horrible last season, they aren't going to take Gadjovich as #1, he's unproven in NHL, #2, they would have to waive him to send him to the minors and Canucks could just reclaim him then.

 

They will have interest in a former cup winning goalie who has also won a Vezina trophy. Fleury didn't look great the season before Vegas took him in the draft, look how that turned out. Goalies have up and down cycles and last year was not a good year to get back on game.

 

[Aladeen]

5 minutes ago, qwijibo said:

Holtby has had a sub .900 sv% the last 2 seasons. He’s regressing quickly.  Seattle will likely look elsewhere for goalies and take a player like Gadjovich to fill their minor league team 

Maybe, or maybe they would look to Holtby to be a leader having won the cup and mentor for their number 1. Either way whoever the Canuck's lose its a lot better than what a lot of other teams are going to. 

[qwijibo]

2 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said:

That's always how it starts, but usually, deals get more reasonable as you get closer to the actual draw. You always start negotiating high, that's how negotiating works!

 

Here’s the thing though.  There’s gotta be 20-25 teams that would like to make a deal with Seattle. Realistically they can only take on a few of those bad contracts so they can leverage that and drive the prices up.  

[VegasCanuck]

7 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:

He's an aging poor backup goalie with a 4+ million cap hit.  He ain't the best player (for Seattle) to take.  Far better for Seattle to take a low cap hit player on the Canucks we have left exposed.  Better to use the other 2-3 million in cap space on depth player who will be in their iced lineup every game.

Watch and see. Most writers who are predicting the draft, are still picking Seattle to take Holtby.

[VegasCanuck]

Just now, qwijibo said:

Here’s the thing though.  There’s gotta be 20-25 teams that would like to make a deal with Seattle. Realistically they can only take on a few of those bad contracts so they can leverage that and drive the prices up.  

Some of them will, some of them won't. Do I think the Canucks are going to be able to unload Eriksson to Seattle? No, I really don't...maybe for a 2nd this year and a 3rd or 4th next year. It really depends on what Seattle is looking at in terms of overall cap next season. If they have the room to pickup Loui and then buy him out for a 2nd round pick, they might consider that.

 

Time will tell!

[Rick Blight]

14 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said:

Holtby is the best player that we will expose, they will take him if available.

FWIW Craig Button yesterday said the Canucks will lose Lind if left unprotected. If Lind is protected then he believes Seattle will either take Holtby or effectively pass by taking a Canucks UFA.

[Johnny Torts]

24 minutes ago, Chris12345 said:

I wouldn't go that far haha but the players get paid I don't think the team owes them anything.

Yeah agreed. Just don’t want stars getting annoyed because of lack of support 

[NewbieCanuckFan]

14 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said:

Watch and see. Most writers who are predicting the draft, are still picking Seattle to take Holtby.

Then I have to laugh at the Kraken GM if that happens.  One less team to worry about in our division.

[Johnny Torts]

29 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said:

Better idea;

 

Offer Seattle our 2nd round pick to take Loui for 1 season or to buy him out.

 

Buy out Virtanen and Holtby.

 

This creates about 12.3 million in additional cap space for next season.

 

There is no real reason to buy out Roussel, I’d rather give him the chance to come into camp and show that he can regain the same level of play he had first year here, before the knee injury. Worst case, send him to Abbotsford, you only gain about 400k more in buying him out than parking him in the minors.

 

Beagle, we are a better team and harder to score against when he’s in the lineup. Buying him out would actually cost us more on cap than just sending him to Abbotsford if needed.

 

Doing this, you still get almost to 15 million total potential savings with far less carryover into additional years.

This works 

[VegasCanuck]

5 minutes ago, Rick Blight said:

FWIW Craig Button yesterday said the Canucks will lose Lind if left unprotected. If Lind is protected then he believes Seattle will either take Holtby or effectively pass by taking a Canucks UFA.

I believe that Canucks will protect:

 

Forward

Boeser

Horvat

Miller

Pearson

Motte

Pettersson

Lind

 

Defense

Myers

Schmidt

Juolevi

 

Goal:

Demko

 

Best options for Seattle:

Beagle

Roussel

Virtanen

Gadjovich

Highmore

Bowey

Holtby

 

Of those, best option is likely Holtby.

[VegasCanuck]

1 minute ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:

Then I have to laugh at the Kraken GM if that happens.  One less team to worry about in our division.

They will have lots of goalie options and will likely take at least 3, NHL proven goalies, possibly more and then do trades afterwards.

[NewbieCanuckFan]

3 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said:

They will have lots of goalie options and will likely take at least 3, NHL proven goalies, possibly more and then do trades afterwards.

Reason why I don't think they'll take Holtby.  All the NHL teams have to leave at least one goalie exposed.  They (Seattle) wants to compete probably sooner rather than later (they've got ownership with deep pockets).  My speculation of course.  

 

I think Holtby will be bought out after the expansion draft (heck, the Kraken might pick him up then if he's willing to sign for cheap).  

Edited July 16, 2021 by NewbieCanuckFan

[Patel Bure]

2 hours ago, Johnny Torts said:

As reported by Rick, we may need a sweetener or restrained salary to send Holtby to Seattle. 
 

Worth it. 
 

*Package a pick, ship Holtby off to Seattle.

 

-4.3M in savings 

 

*Jake Virtanen + Antoine Roussell buyouts

 

-Rooster saves us 1.26M and JV saves us 2.5M

 

-The two of them combined save us 3.76M

 

*If we were to deal 9th OA, as iMac reported, it’s valuable enough to include a bad contract. Beagle could either be dumped that way, or shipped separately with a pick attached. 
 

Out- Beagle 3M Holtby 4.3M

 

Bought Out - Rooster 1.26M Saved JV 2.5M

 

11M in savings, and YES it might take a mid plus 2nd round pick to get these deals done, and having an insignificant amount of buyout penalties next year but it’s doable. Especially with LE coming off the books next year.

 

This will give us the 15M we have right now plus an extra 11M.

 

 

 

 

Kraken won’t take Holtby unless we add a sweetener and I’m also not sure if Holtby is someone that we should be moving as Dipietro likely needs one more year of development.

[Johnny Torts]

6 minutes ago, Patel Bure said:

Kraken won’t take Holtby unless we add a sweetener and I’m also not sure if Holtby is someone that we should be moving as Dipietro likely needs one more year of development.

We could look for a cheaper backup, if any.