PhillipBlunt Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 2 hours ago, NUCKER67 said: Some fairly recent 3rd Round picks by the Canucks: Jurmo Madden DiPietro Lockwood Tryamkin If Dickinson has more upside than these players, then I guess it's worth it. Fair enough. Still smarting about Tryamkin re-signing in the KHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 1 hour ago, DeNiro said: He shouldn’t. That number wreaks of failed potential. Canucks who have worn 18: Steve Kariya Fedor Fedorov Steve Bernier Cam Barker Ryan Stanton Jake Virtanen Time to throw that number away. Let him wear 17, 20, 21, or 24-29 Igor Larionov, I rest my case. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convincing John Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 32 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: I saw Kesler in myself hahahahaha. That’s hilarious 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 10 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: Igor Larionov, I rest my case. Shawn Antoski. Game. Set. Match. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, RWJC said: I’m gonna play devil’s (CJ) advocate here and ask aloud: if Dickinson’s metrics show that he’s a better player defensively than Radek Faksa, who is a year older, and has a 3.25mill cap hit until 2024/25, then why did DAL decide to let JD go? Faksa arguably is better on O (depending what lines he’s up against), but also has a nagging wrist injury that flares up from time to time. Aside from JD requiring a new contract where the Faksa $ value is a direct comparable, what would prompt DAL to decide he’s the one that’s expendable? I realize they are basically the same player with slightly different strengths, but even with that considered, why Faksa over Dickinson? Who is it in their system that can be groomed to replace JD’s role on the cheap? And did DAL move on from JD because Faksa is the better option to play around the top 9 if necessary? Why not keep him as their 4th line C/W? Thoughts? maybe it was simply a matter of interest - what the team making the best offer wanted/were interested in - obviously I can't verify whether Vancouver pursued Dickinson specifically, or if Dallas made him in particular 'available' - or perhaps Dallas wanted a higher price alternatively - who knows - but 'it takes two to dance'. Faksa was a considerably better faceoff guy, and played more specifically 'harder minutes' - so the 'comparables' aren't without nuance (I'm not sure I'd say Faksa's defensive numbers are inferior). Edited July 19, 2021 by oldnews 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Crossbar Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 18 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: Igor Larionov, I rest my case. Ivan Drago, mic drop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 Also worth taking some of these "WAR" numbers with a serious grain of salt. When Nick Suzuki is in a shortlist with Dickinson as one of the best "Even strength defence wins above replacement" / WAR...the metric is clearly wonky (Suzuki has no place in a top 20 of "defense" WAR. Period. Suzuki 56.4% ozone starts 52.9% corsi .881 on ice sv% 3.2 on ice goals against per 60 5on5 (2.8 for). -5 44% faceoffs Literally nothing about the young Nick Suzuki / what exactly is it about Suzuki that puts him in a shortlist in this category. #hero-chart quality 'analytics'? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sbriggs Posted July 19, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 19, 2021 2 hours ago, Ghostsof1915 said: Convincing John needs to learn to be more convincing. Not really, he's convinced me he's an idiot who is only here to stir the pot. People should just ignore him and maybe he'll go away 5 5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 28 minutes ago, Convincing John said: I saw Kesler in myself hahahahaha. That’s hilarious I mean, it says he seen a lot of himself in Kesler. And douchey personality/antics aside, Kesler was a monster. Two-way beast and an elite shot. He's the kind of player I wish Horvat developed into. Imagine the leadership of the Sedins with the tenacity and shooting of Kesler? If Dickinson is Kesler-lite (as a player) that's a huge win for our bottom 6. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sbriggs Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 1 hour ago, DeNiro said: He shouldn’t. That number wreaks of failed potential. Canucks who have worn 18: Steve Kariya Fedor Fedorov Steve Bernier Cam Barker Ryan Stanton Jake Virtanen Time to throw that number away. Let him wear 17, 20, 21, or 24-29 Wow, good point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJC Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Sbriggs said: Not really, he's convinced me he's an idiot who is only here to stir the pot. People should just ignore him and maybe he'll go away He’s entitled to his opinion as you are yours. You don’t have to agree but that doesn’t make him an idiot. This is a forum with differing views all of which contribute to making it interesting and insightful. If you want a hug-a-thon go start another thread for that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honky Cat Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jimmy McGill said: Miller-Petey-Boser Pearson-Bo-Reinhart Hoglander-Dickinson-Podkolzin is a pretty interesting top 9. As long as we’re not trading the 9OA for Reinhart No thanks Edited July 19, 2021 by Honky Cat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetliner Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 Foundational move from benning Jokes aside, he does fill a hole in our line up. Let's see what benning does the next 2 weeks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJC Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 What else do we have that would entice BUF enough to trade Reinhart. That’s the problem I think. The assets required are all ones we want to keep and maybe not so expendable. My guess would be Hogz to start. Maybe even a Rathbone too. Unfortunately that 9OA pick may be our best trade chip atm…? Personally I hope we draft with the pick and just add to the prospect pool for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sbriggs Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 30 minutes ago, RWJC said: He’s entitled to his opinion as you are yours. You don’t have to agree but that doesn’t make him an idiot. This is a forum with differing views all of which contribute to making it interesting and insightful. If you want a hug-a-thon go start another thread for that. I respect people who give their opinions, positive or negative, but this guy seems to be going after every positive view with negative garbage. Once I saw his pattern I merely suggested people ignore him instead of engaging. This trade has been overwhelmingly accepted by readers here as positive and seems to be a good move by Benning. Not interested in a hug-a-thon, maybe this guy wasn't hugged enough as a child, which shows with his negative personality 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Torts Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 2 hours ago, Convincing John said: Like I said before, he is ok I guess but definitely nothing to be pumped up about and too little for a 3rd. Jim is good at drafting so that 3rd could end up being useful player when our real window opens and the new GM is making things happen to put us over the top. We spent a 3rd on a very 1 dimensional player under contract for a season. Why are you so excited? I ran out of garbage bags I had to put this here instead. Jk I didn’t. Still wanted to put this garbage here. Not joking anymore. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheRussianRocket1994 Posted July 19, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 19, 2021 7 minutes ago, Sbriggs said: I respect people who give their opinions, positive or negative, but this guy seems to be going after every positive view with negative garbage. Once I saw his pattern I merely suggested people ignore him instead of engaging. This trade has been overwhelmingly accepted by readers here as positive and seems to be a good move by Benning. Not interested in a hug-a-thon, maybe this guy wasn't hugged enough as a child, which shows with his negative personality This!! There's a handful of people on here that have a hate / negative agenda and it has nothing to do with their opinions and everything to do with their agenda / constantly going at the team, the owners, the gm, the coaches & the players, even when there's nothing to go at. Negative even re: the positives. Not sure they're fans, rather trolls or just haters. You see it thread after thread and post after post...same old theme with each of them and i have zero problem pointing it out, just as you did and others are doing. Enough is enough and i'm glad some of us are calling them out. 1 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad_BOI_pete Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 adding a player like dickinson will improve our numbers in 5vs5 scoring theoretically. because he can actually skate compared to beagle and sutter. know matter how good beagle and sutter where positionally, they had little threat of scoring on the crack back. this meant that other players that could out hustle these two veterans where just as likely to score than be stopped. why because they can get to the dangerous ice faster than these two. ever wonder why beagle and sutters shot blocking numbers where so low? it's because they are not fast enough. centers MUST be fast more than any other position. Centers have to create offense and defence otherwise you get the canucks result of being last place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenhodgejr Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 I like Dickenson. I would like Vancouver to get one more top 6 UFA so Miller can play 3rd line C with Podkolzin. Granlund is the guy for me. He has a ton of skill and can play LW or C. Granlund Pettersson Boeser Pearson Horvat Hoglander Highmore Miller Podkolzin Motte Dickenson Lockwood MacEwan Hughes Hamonic Juolevi Myers Rathbone Bowey Brisebois Rafferty Demko Dipietro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzipunch Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 More people need to be like me. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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