Dazzle Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 27 minutes ago, lmm said: what do you mean by that? I see he has been a head coach at some levels but what do you mean "Not a typical assistant"? and if he is not, will that gel with the current group? what do you think he brings? Did you even bother reading about what others have said on him, especially those who clearly have more information? 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awalk Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 32 minutes ago, lmm said: Obviously, Jim is adding around the periphery Jim also resigned Green, not a fan retained Baumer, not a fan brought back Clarke, I am a fan, I see above, someone says Dickinson "makes us hard to play against, the videos I found do not show that do you have videos of Jason Dickinson being hard to play against? Convincing John says Dickinson is one dimensional, do you have proof to say otherwise? Roussell and Beagle are one dimensional, we have a lot of that Shaw might well be a good coach, but I see a lot of comments like, "Hopefully he can convince Green to fix the defense" Is that realistic? Good coach or bad I fear Shaw will be a lone voice in a room full of (not so) old boys Jimmy McGill says, " maybe JD is not the answer to the 3c problem", so, what is he? Another warm body not quite cast right for the job at hand? Jim said "Bold moves" Is this it? or do we trade our first and second to try and scrape into the playoffs again Awalk (not a friend of mine , nor Con Johns as far as I know), says, "The Canucks are always trading future for the present" and I agree with that If we are going to trade for a 3c, trade for 2010 Brian Boyle (whoever that might be) If that is Jason Dickinson, great, if not what is the point? Oh. I see. Well what was all that "best friends forever" and "we should start a business together" talk then? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptKirk888 Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 8 minutes ago, awalk said: Wasn't that the 4th they used to select Rathbone? Man I wish they held onto picks more. No we used our own 4th, but we did trade the San Jose 4th for both of Carolina's 5th and 6th round picks that year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awalk Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, CaptKirk888 said: No we used our own 4th, but we did trade the San Jose 4th for both of Carolina's 5th and 6th round picks that year. Ahh nice, thank you. I was trying to follow the trade tree and got stuck on where that SJ 4th went. I then went down the rabbit hole of how many picks have gone out vs come back since 2015 and it's not too bad actually... but based on how well this team - finally - drafts, I think it might amplify the want to hold on to picks. Edited July 19, 2021 by awalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 25 minutes ago, CaptKirk888 said: https://canucksarmy.com/2021/07/18/tape-traits-jason-dickinson-elite-shot-suppressor-struggles-offence/ So, I watched those vids on the right side of the puck- check otherwise a pretty small sample size here is the guy he needs to be better than Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 5 minutes ago, awalk said: Oh. I see. Well what was all that "best friends forever" and "we should start a business together" talk then? aww, you leaked 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptKirk888 Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 Just now, lmm said: So, I watched those vids on the right side of the puck- check otherwise a pretty small sample size here is the guy he needs to be better than You can't just pick Sutter's hat trick for comparison. Compare Sutter's recent numbers to Dickinsons (nevermind the age gap) and get back to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dazzle Posted July 19, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 19, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, lmm said: Obviously, Jim is adding around the periphery Jim also resigned Green, not a fan retained Baumer, not a fan brought back Clarke, I am a fan, I see above, someone says Dickinson "makes us hard to play against, the videos I found do not show that do you have videos of Jason Dickinson being hard to play against? Convincing John says Dickinson is one dimensional, do you have proof to say otherwise? Roussell and Beagle are one dimensional, we have a lot of that Shaw might well be a good coach, but I see a lot of comments like, "Hopefully he can convince Green to fix the defense" Is that realistic? Good coach or bad I fear Shaw will be a lone voice in a room full of (not so) old boys Jimmy McGill says, " maybe JD is not the answer to the 3c problem", so, what is he? Another warm body not quite cast right for the job at hand? Jim said "Bold moves" Is this it? or do we trade our first and second to try and scrape into the playoffs again Awalk (not a friend of mine , nor Con Johns as far as I know), says, "The Canucks are always trading future for the present" and I agree with that If we are going to trade for a 3c, trade for 2010 Brian Boyle (whoever that might be) If that is Jason Dickinson, great, if not what is the point? Do you want videos of Dickinson to block a shot or something? Here are some articles that talk about his shot suppression skills. https://canucksaggr.com/stories/15970/the-tape-the-traits-that-make-jason-dickinson-an-elite-shot-suppressor-and-why-he-struggles-on-offence https://canucksarmy.com/2021/07/18/analyzing-jason-dickinsons-game-how-help-canucks/ If you're going to be negative, at least do some research on the topics on hand. You'll quickly realize how silly you'll look. Edited July 19, 2021 by Dazzle Duplicate link removed; re-added new one. Lmm isn't going to read it though... 1 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schmautzie Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 43 minutes ago, Filthy McNasty said: I might be bananas but I would rather have Sutter at a reasonable contract at 4c over beagle Not crazy at all. Sutter is just as good defensively and is capable of chipping in some goals. Beagle will score three goals in a good year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWMc1 Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 3 hours ago, Gawdzukes said: Don't even listen to that tool. He's lying. He's done this to me before and outright admitted he's a loser who does this crap on purpose. Total goof. No idea how he isn't banned. I've noticed that some of the most obvious trolls don't get warned or banned. It makes me think that they are sportsnet employees in the media and our mods are not allowed to ban them as they work for sportsnet and this site is owned by sportsnet. This despicable troll claims to work in Texas but spends a lot of time on CDC whining. Maybe he is a roving media clown. Also Labamba is a slimy despicable scumbag and a pathetic excuse of a man. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kootenay Gold Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 18 hours ago, Dazzle said: So, I'm totally shooting in the dark on this one, I guess Dickinson's going to take 18? LOL.. Did you twist the brass's arm or something... they have both him and Virt as wearing # 18 on the roster list. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 (edited) 41 minutes ago, lmm said: what do you mean by that? I see he has been a head coach at some levels but what do you mean "Not a typical assistant"? and if he is not, will that gel with the current group? what do you think he brings? he's had a good impact on team defensive structure in both St Louis and CBJ. He's also getting into a role where he's going to give input on more than just his narrow alley (e.g., just PK or PP). Thats a bit unusual. https://theprovince.com/sports/hockey/nhl/vancouver-canucks/canucks-travis-green-picks-veteran-coach-brad-shaw-for-critical-role Edited July 19, 2021 by Jimmy McGill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 (edited) 48 minutes ago, CaptKirk888 said: You can't just pick Sutter's hat trick for comparison. Compare Sutter's recent numbers to Dickinsons (nevermind the age gap) and get back to me. that was kind of my point I picked the first clip I could find of Sutter and that is what I got As for Dickinson's vids, he looks good, but not great so I repeat I'll wait and see if he blossoms in Vancouver great if he wilts like Vesey, Boyd, Roussell, not so great I am absolutely on the fence with this trade but a team that lacks physicality as ours does, needs to fill that hole with some of these moves being 6'2" 200# is great , but TGraovac and Bailey are bigger but don't fill that need So, I guess my question is how do you define "hard to play against"? I posted a vid of him getting laid out by Cale Makar (also the first video I found of JD) right side of the puck = good laid out by Makar = soft that is 1 for 2 in my book which player willl he be in Vancouver edit, Dazzle defines hard to play against as playing with a bag on his head>>> Edited July 19, 2021 by lmm 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 10 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: he's had a good impact on team defensive structure in both St Louis and CBJ. He's also getting into a role where he's going to give input on more than just his narrow alley (e.g., just PK or PP). Thats a bit unusual. https://theprovince.com/sports/hockey/nhl/vancouver-canucks/canucks-travis-green-picks-veteran-coach-brad-shaw-for-critical-role I am not against this move, but it seems it could easily go North or South I see the potential for a Benning / Linden type split before the year is out. Shaw on Baumer: With Baumer, I hope to augment him in different ways by getting my point across and not being offensive. We will see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 47 minutes ago, gurn said: Not always. Burrows traded for pick Benn traded for pick etc. would you be so good as to expand on that etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, lmm said: I am not against this move, but it seems it could easily go North or South I see the potential for a Benning / Linden type split before the year is out. Shaw on Baumer: With Baumer, I hope to augment him in different ways by getting my point across and not being offensive. We will see tbh I think its Baumer thats the one at risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, lmm said: would you be so good as to expand on that etc? No, just posting proof it isn't "always" trading futures for the now. Edited July 19, 2021 by gurn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: tbh I think its Baumer thats the one at risk. that may well be, but it has the potential to offset any good that might come from Shaw's arrival. As I said, I am not against either the Shaw signing or the Dickinson trade, but if Baumer is part of the problem it could hinder Shaw's impact what if Green is the problem? I see lots of quotes to the effect, "I hope Green listens to Shaw..." that seems like a really tough situtation to put an assistant coach into Likewise I see some posters thinking Dickinson solidifies the 3c spot while others have him as 2nd LW or 4c what we need is a 3C, aguy that walks into camp and from day 1 puts Sutter, Beagle, and anyone else who thinks they have a shot on notice, "this is my spot" We will knw about Dickinson after the first day of camp With Shaw, he needs to come in, make improvements and not rock the boat, or this will go down as another "special year" waisted on infighting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptKirk888 Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 28 minutes ago, lmm said: that was kind of my point I picked the first clip I could find of Sutter and that is what I got As for Dickinson's vids, he looks good, but not great so I repeat I'll wait and see if he blossoms in Vancouver great if he wilts like Vesey, Boyd, Roussell, not so great I am absolutely on the fence with this trade but a team that lacks physicality as ours does, needs to fill that hole with some of these moves being 6'2" 200# is great , but TGraovac and Bailey are bigger but don't fill that need So, I guess my question is how do you define "hard to play against"? I posted a vid of him getting laid out by Cale Makar (also the first video I found of JD) right side of the puck = good laid out by Makar = soft that is 1 for 2 in my book which player willl he be in Vancouver I won't argue anything you said here. Because although this trade looks damn good on paper and IMO Vancouver did well, we won't know until the games are played. Based on the majority of 'proof' provided in this thread I am going into it with a positive attitude. By the way, this was the first video that came up for me: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awalk Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, lmm said: would you be so good as to expand on that etc? I will. Since 2014: IN 1st 2nd 2nd 2nd 3rd 3rd 3rd 4th 4th 5th 6th 7th 7th 7th 7th 7th OUT 1st 2nd 2nd 2nd 3rd 3rd 3rd 3rd 5th 5th 6th Edited July 19, 2021 by awalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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