[Report] Carey Price waives NMC for expansion draft

[qwijibo]

19 minutes ago, Crabby said:

MTL is my 2nd team, but I hope they get screwed here and Seattle takes Price. I mean, they have to right? Or is Drouin too much potential to pass up on?

There’s a lot of reasons to not take Price 

[Gurn]

1 hour ago, qwijibo said:

What rule have they broken? 

What rule did the Canucks break? None, but they got punished retroactively.

 

What did Gary say- something like 'violated the spirit of the salary cap'.

 

Just as this dodge by Montreal could be construed as 'violating the spirit of the expansion draft.'

Seattle paid big money and was to receive legally contracted things in return. Having a team mess, or being perceived to mess,  with that  is not a good look for Gary.

Gary loves to look as good as he can.

 

[qwijibo]

1 hour ago, gurn said:

What rule did the Canucks break? None, but they got punished retroactively.

 

What did Gary say- something like 'violated the spirit of the salary cap'.

 

Just as this dodge by Montreal could be construed as 'violating the spirit of the expansion draft.'

Seattle paid big money and was to receive legally contracted things in return. Having a team mess, or being perceived to mess,  with that  is not a good look for Gary.

Gary loves to look as good as he can.

 

Different situation. The league warned teams well in advance to not try to circumvent the cap.  They also warned there would be penalties.  Some GM’s ignored the warnings. 

[qwijibo]

1 hour ago, gurn said:

What rule did the Canucks break? None, but they got punished retroactively.

 

What did Gary say- something like 'violated the spirit of the salary cap'.

 

Just as this dodge by Montreal could be construed as 'violating the spirit of the expansion draft.'

Seattle paid big money and was to receive legally contracted things in return. Having a team mess, or being perceived to mess,  with that  is not a good look for Gary.

Gary loves to look as good as he can.

 

As I says earlier. Montreal meets every requirement for the expansion draft.  In addition Seattle can feel free to choose either Price or Weber.  Buyer beware.  Montreal has made it known there are injury issues.  So what’s the problem? 

[UKNuck96]

Don’t see what the issue is, a player on LTIR doesn’t become draft exempt, it’s only those who the league believes won’t have much of a chance to play again. 
 

Beagle ended the season on LTIR and so did Petey, however they didn’t become draft exempt. 
 

the fact is that injured or not price has to waive his NMC to be exposed he didn’t have to agree to it therefore it was a gamble if the plan was some sort of draft dodge move (which it isn’t)

[Odjick the Warrior]

I knew Montreal was going to ask Price to waive his NMC and be unprotected in the expansion draft and I think Seattle will take him as he will be the face of the franchise for at least the next 3-4 years and his in-laws are from Spokane area and of course Price is from Anahim lake. 
Montreal still has to resign Danualt, Kotkaniemi, Lehkonen and next year they need to sign Suzuki, Evans, Romanov and Chiarot so for the long term cap structure of Montreal, Seattle needs to take Price. 

[mll]

4 hours ago, qwijibo said:

As I says earlier. Montreal meets every requirement for the expansion draft.  In addition Seattle can feel free to choose either Price or Weber.  Buyer beware.  Montreal has made it known there are injury issues.  So what’s the problem? 

They won't have a complete medical picture which is what is complicating the process and making some teams unhappy. 

 

Friedman writes:

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/carey-prices-uncertain-injury-status-complicates-krakens-decision/

 

However, the Kraken have to submit their picks by Wednesday morning, to be revealed that night. (If it’s true some of the players are going to be unveiled by disembarking from float planes, I can’t wait to see it.) Price is not expected to see doctors until after that deadline.

 

Because Seattle is supposed to get a full medical picture of all exposed players, this isn’t going over well. Other teams are boiling, complaining the Canadiens are using Price and Weber to make a mockery of the expansion process.

 

Edited July 19, 2021 by mll

[Wolfgang Durst]

20 minutes ago, IjustNEEDaTROYgamble said:

I knew Montreal was going to ask Price to waive his NMC and be unprotected in the expansion draft and I think Seattle will take him as he will be the face of the franchise for at least the next 3-4 years and his in-laws are from Spokane area and of course Price is from Anahim lake. 
Montreal still has to resign Danualt, Kotkaniemi, Lehkonen and next year they need to sign Suzuki, Evans, Romanov and Chiarot so for the long term cap structure of Montreal, Seattle needs to take Price. 

If seattle needs to take price as you wrote you have to wonder if the Habs haven't to throw in a sweetener because of the cap relief the Habs get. GM's of many NHL teams gave up draft picks and quality players to Vegas because they got the cap relief.

For me this is very clear that Seattle won't take Price because there are enough decent goalies available like Kahkonen from the Minnesota Wild or Chris Driedger from the Florida Panthers just to name two of them.

Another thing Ron Francis will surely take into consideration is that the Kraken will have enough cap space available once the players have been selected and signed in order to bolster the center position in free agency. There isn't a 1C or a 2C left unprotected by NHL teams. Center position might be the weakest part of their initial roster. That's also a reason why they might target a Center in the upcoming draft (Beniers with their 2nd overall).

 

If Seattle decides to spend big they should go with Giordano because he is still one of the best D-Man in this league.

 

[Odjick the Warrior]

1 hour ago, Wolfgang Durst said:

If seattle needs to take price as you wrote you have to wonder if the Habs haven't to throw in a sweetener because of the cap relief the Habs get. GM's of many NHL teams gave up draft picks and quality players to Vegas because they got the cap relief.

For me this is very clear that Seattle won't take Price because there are enough decent goalies available like Kahkonen from the Minnesota Wild or Chris Driedger from the Florida Panthers just to name two of them.

Another thing Ron Francis will surely take into consideration is that the Kraken will have enough cap space available once the players have been selected and signed in order to bolster the center position in free agency. There isn't a 1C or a 2C left unprotected by NHL teams. Center position might be the weakest part of their initial roster. That's also a reason why they might target a Center in the upcoming draft (Beniers with their 2nd overall).

 

If Seattle decides to spend big they should go with Giordano because he is still one of the best D-Man in this league.

 

I would take Price, Giordano, Tarasenko, Van Riemsdyck/Vorcek and Brandon Tanev as those guys have either got to a cup or won one and finding scoring forwards under $5 million is the hard part in the expansion draft as everyone knows Seattle is going to have a good to great defence and definitely be better then the Canucks top 3 pairings

[UKNuck96]

2 hours ago, Wolfgang Durst said:

If seattle needs to take price as you wrote you have to wonder if the Habs haven't to throw in a sweetener because of the cap relief the Habs get. GM's of many NHL teams gave up draft picks and quality players to Vegas because they got the cap relief.

For me this is very clear that Seattle won't take Price because there are enough decent goalies available like Kahkonen from the Minnesota Wild or Chris Driedger from the Florida Panthers just to name two of them.

Another thing Ron Francis will surely take into consideration is that the Kraken will have enough cap space available once the players have been selected and signed in order to bolster the center position in free agency. There isn't a 1C or a 2C left unprotected by NHL teams. Center position might be the weakest part of their initial roster. That's also a reason why they might target a Center in the upcoming draft (Beniers with their 2nd overall).

 

If Seattle decides to spend big they should go with Giordano because he is still one of the best D-Man in this league.

 

I don’t think that the Habs will have incentivised it, I thing this is Bergeron playing chicken with Francis and seeing who blinks first. 
 

If Seattle doesn’t take Price expect the Habs to LTIR him and Webber which will give them the space they need.

 

Seatle have every reason to make Price their pick as he would be the face of the franchise and Price as a marketable asset in Seattle would be huge 

[Wolfgang Durst]

3 hours ago, mll said:

They won't have a complete medical picture which is what is complicating the process and making some teams unhappy. 

 

Friedman writes:

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/carey-prices-uncertain-injury-status-complicates-krakens-decision/

 

However, the Kraken have to submit their picks by Wednesday morning, to be revealed that night. (If it’s true some of the players are going to be unveiled by disembarking from float planes, I can’t wait to see it.) Price is not expected to see doctors until after that deadline.

 

Because Seattle is supposed to get a full medical picture of all exposed players, this isn’t going over well. Other teams are boiling, complaining the Canadiens are using Price and Weber to make a mockery of the expansion process.

 

Indeed they won't have a complete medical picture nevertheless the medical report(s) on Prices' injury/ies (knee and hip) has been made available not only to the Seattle Kraken for expansion draft purposes but also to all other teams.

 

 

 

Frank Seravalli of Daily FaceOff: The Seattle Kraken were to believe to have an interest in Canadiens goaltender Jake Allen before the Canadiens switched gears and protected Allen and exposed Carey Price.

 

Medical records of those who are left unprotected are available to all teams. Sources say that there may be some health concerns for Price. He’s had an MRI and there is a hip injury that may require surgery. Price will see an expert later this week and more may not be known until Friday. The draft is Wednesday.

 

[DownUndaCanuck]

Sounds like he's just retired, must be a pretty bad injury...

[mll]

1 hour ago, Wolfgang Durst said:

Indeed they won't have a complete medical picture nevertheless the medical report(s) on Prices' injury/ies (knee and hip) has been made available not only to the Seattle Kraken for expansion draft purposes but also to all other teams.

 

 

 

Frank Seravalli of Daily FaceOff: The Seattle Kraken were to believe to have an interest in Canadiens goaltender Jake Allen before the Canadiens switched gears and protected Allen and exposed Carey Price.

 

Medical records of those who are left unprotected are available to all teams. Sources say that there may be some health concerns for Price. He’s had an MRI and there is a hip injury that may require surgery. Price will see an expert later this week and more may not be known until Friday. The draft is Wednesday.

 

 

Friedman is saying otherwise.  He's only seeing the doctors after the draft.

 

Why would every other team have access to his medical record?

 

Edited July 19, 2021 by mll

[mll]

 

[JM_]

6 hours ago, mll said:

They won't have a complete medical picture which is what is complicating the process and making some teams unhappy. 

 

Friedman writes:

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/carey-prices-uncertain-injury-status-complicates-krakens-decision/

 

However, the Kraken have to submit their picks by Wednesday morning, to be revealed that night. (If it’s true some of the players are going to be unveiled by disembarking from float planes, I can’t wait to see it.) Price is not expected to see doctors until after that deadline.

 

Because Seattle is supposed to get a full medical picture of all exposed players, this isn’t going over well. Other teams are boiling, complaining the Canadiens are using Price and Weber to make a mockery of the expansion process.

 

I'm not surprised in the least that Friedman is reporting other GMs are boiling over Montreal playing games on this. 

 

A fair "punishment" for lack of a better word to me would be for Bettman to allow Seattle to pick Price pending the results of the medial exam, if Seattle doesn't like it they get to pick a different Montreal player in a week or two once the results are in. 

[mll]

43 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

I'm not surprised in the least that Friedman is reporting other GMs are boiling over Montreal playing games on this. 

 

A fair "punishment" for lack of a better word to me would be for Bettman to allow Seattle to pick Price pending the results of the medial exam, if Seattle doesn't like it they get to pick a different Montreal player in a week or two once the results are in. 

 

Seravalli's article gives more detail.  It's actually Price that asked to be exposed.  He knew he was injured and didn't want to put Montreal in a bad spot if Allen is taken by Seattle and he can't start the season.  

 

The NHL and NHLPA had to make an exception for him on the NMC rule as he came to Montreal after the deadline for a team to ask a player to waive his NMC.  Montreal weren't looking to expose him and they too had to really think about it.  Bergevin then played along with Price's plan and left him exposed but it's not like they were comfortable with that idea.  

 

He might just get picked or Seattle could also go back to Montreal and ask for an asset to not pick him.

 

Edited July 19, 2021 by mll

[JM_]

19 minutes ago, mll said:

 

Seravalli's article gives more detail.  It's actually Price that asked to be exposed.  He knew he was injured and didn't want to put Montreal in a bad spot if Allen is taken by Seattle and he can't start the season.  

 

The NHL and NHLPA had to make an exception for him on the NMC rule as he came to Montreal after the deadline for a team to ask a player to waive his NMC.  Montreal weren't looking to expose him and they too had to really think about it.  Bergevin then played along with Price's plan and left him exposed but it's not like they were comfortable with that idea.  

 

He might just get picked or Seattle could also go back to Montreal and ask for an asset to not pick him.

 

thats interesting. I wonder if they revealed to the NHL/NHLPA that he had an injury? 

[Master Mind]

Unless Price's injury is career-threatening, which doesn't sound to be the case, this doesn't seem like a big deal.

 

If Seattle is considering taking Price, they can still take Driedger/Kahkonen/Vanecek and have them carry the load until he's back.

 

Convenient timing on the announcement, but teams do this all the time with injuries.

[qwijibo]

2 minutes ago, Master Mind said:

Unless Price's injury is career-threatening, which doesn't sound to be the case, this doesn't seem like a big deal.

 

If Seattle is considering taking Price, they can still take Driedger/Kahkonen/Vanecek and have them carry the load until he's back.

 

Convenient timing on the announcement, but teams do this all the time with injuries.

Let’s not forget that Montreal’s  season just ended. It takes time to get clarity on injuries like this.  Price and the team doctors may have assumed that any pain he was feeling was due to the stress of the playoffs and would heal on its own. After a week off maybe they started to have concerns.  Now he’s seeing a specialist this week. 

[Gurn]

If the league and NHLPA can make an exception for Price and Montreal; they can make an exception to the Luongo rule and remove the final year of penalty/recapture.