qwijibo Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 20 minutes ago, wildwood12 said: Offer sheet a RFA? I thought that would be tampering! Are you not familiar with the concept of offer sheets? No. It’s not tampering. If Bergevin told the press, while the cameras were rolling, that he intended to offer sheet a player. Then yes. Tampering. You’re not allowed to publicly make a statement about having interest in a player signed to another team. But depending on the RFA’s status you’re totally allowed to approach him with an offer sheet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfgang Durst Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, qwijibo said: Landeskog is a great player but not worth the money he’s rumoured to be looking for. Regardless this report sounds like total bs oh , really? I recall very well that Bergevin offersheeting Sebastian Aho from the Carolina Hurricanes just 2 or 3 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 Tempting to take the package Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 No way Benning lets negotiations go past the 28th. By all accounts they’re close to a bridge deal. Might already be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Wolfgang Durst said: oh , really? I recall very well that Bergevin offersheeting Sebastian Aho from the Carolina Hurricanes just 2 or 3 years ago. Is he that stupid? Surely he must realize that Suzuki is coming up next year and we just so happen to have a bunch of dead cap coming off the books at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DeNiro Posted July 20, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 20, 2021 Just now, stawns said: Tempting to take the package No it’s really not. Those 1sts might be in the 15-20 range and the 2nd and 3rd could very well equal nothing. I take Petey over some garbage picks all day long. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucksownyou Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 5 minutes ago, Dazzle said: This rumour is bogus. Montreal doesn't have the assets to do it. https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2021/6/28/22554643/2021-offer-sheet-compensation-set-nhl-rfa-rules-picks-aav-calculation The team submitting the offer sheet has to have all of the required compensation picks, and they have to be their own picks. They have to be picks for the next draft (so 2021) unless they are required to have two picks of the same round. Then they can have two of the next three year’s picks to offer. https://puckpedia.com/team/montreal-canadiens/draftpicks Montreal needs to have a second first round pick, which they MUST have on hand. Not to mention the 3rd they traded away. They MUST have a third. The picks would start next year, since the draft is before free agency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Nucksownyou said: The picks would start next year, since the draft is before free agency. I believe they don't have two first round picks on hand. You cannot just 'plan' to have a 1st rounder. They can't do this offersheet. Edit: never mind. I stand corrected. Edited July 20, 2021 by Dazzle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 Just now, Wolfgang Durst said: oh , really? I recall very well that Bergevin offersheeting Sebastian Aho from the Carolina Hurricanes just 2 or 3 years ago. the offer sheet he offered was designed to target a team who’s owner was notoriously cheap. It was structured to require a huge initial outlay of cash. The compensation for that offer sheet was a 1st, 2nd and a 3rd. This situation isn’t remotely the same. Vancouver isn’t vulnerable. They could and would easily match. And the compensation is way to high Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, Dazzle said: I believe they don't have two first round picks on hand. You cannot just 'plan' to have a 1st rounder. They can't do this offersheet. Picks for offersheets have to be your own. The 1st would be over 2 consecutive drafts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 Is the guy quoted in the OP actually considered a legitimate source? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, stawns said: Tempting to take the package I hear next year's draft is golden... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 6 minutes ago, DeNiro said: No it’s really not. Those 1sts might be in the 15-20 range and the 2nd and 3rd could very well equal nothing. I take Petey over some garbage picks all day long. True enough. Still, Petey's not worth that cap hit either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWMc1 Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 $8,221,464 - $10,276,829 2 First Round Picks 1 Second Round Pick 1 Third Round Pick According to capfriendly, these teams meet the requirements.Montreal is on the list of teams eligible to make this level of offer sheet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 I think I can hear the pitter-patter of little troll feet. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, qwijibo said: Picks for offersheets have to be your own. The 1st would be over 2 consecutive drafts Edit: I'm mistaken. I don't believe that's correct. https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2021/6/28/22554643/2021-offer-sheet-compensation-set-nhl-rfa-rules-picks-aav-calculation Some rules to remember: NHL teams cannot negotiate with a player in regards to an offer sheet until July 27. The player cannot sign that offer sheet until July 28. If the player (but not the team) elects arbitration, he cannot sign an offer sheet. The team submitting the offer sheet has to have all of the required compensation picks, and they have to be their own picks. They have to be picks for the next draft (so 2021) unless they are required to have two picks of the same round. Then they can have two of the next three year’s picks to offer. And now for the calculation of the AAV to determine the threshold: This by itself would invalidate the rumour entirely. They DO NOT have a second first round pick for 2021. Not to mention, they are missing a third round pick for this year. In short, this rumour is 100 percent false. Edited July 20, 2021 by Dazzle 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, stawns said: True enough. Still, Petey's not worth that cap hit either Yea but even at a 9-10 million dollar cap hit you could probably trade him to a team for some actual top 10 picks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 @Warhippy Hey lol careful what you wish for. Though "to be faaaaaair" I do love me some Pete. But at that 'Price" ill take the payment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickenspear Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Dazzle said: I don't believe that's correct. https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2021/6/28/22554643/2021-offer-sheet-compensation-set-nhl-rfa-rules-picks-aav-calculation Some rules to remember: NHL teams cannot negotiate with a player in regards to an offer sheet until July 27. The player cannot sign that offer sheet until July 28. If the player (but not the team) elects arbitration, he cannot sign an offer sheet. The team submitting the offer sheet has to have all of the required compensation picks, and they have to be their own picks. They have to be picks for the next draft (so 2021) unless they are required to have two picks of the same round. Then they can have two of the next three year’s picks to offer. And now for the calculation of the AAV to determine the threshold: This by itself would invalidate the rumour entirely. They DO NOT have a second first round pick for 2021. They can't make an offer sheet before this years draft, as those picks would be already spent, so anything involving offer sheets is starting for the 2022 draft Edited July 20, 2021 by Chickenspear 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 Just now, Dazzle said: I don't believe that's correct. https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2021/6/28/22554643/2021-offer-sheet-compensation-set-nhl-rfa-rules-picks-aav-calculation Some rules to remember: NHL teams cannot negotiate with a player in regards to an offer sheet until July 27. The player cannot sign that offer sheet until July 28. If the player (but not the team) elects arbitration, he cannot sign an offer sheet. The team submitting the offer sheet has to have all of the required compensation picks, and they have to be their own picks. They have to be picks for the next draft (so 2021) unless they are required to have two picks of the same round. Then they can have two of the next three year’s picks to offer. And now for the calculation of the AAV to determine the threshold: This by itself would invalidate the rumour entirely. They DO NOT have a second first round pick for 2021. Reread the part you bolded. It says if the compensation is two picks in the same round then the team must have 2 picks in the next 3 drafts. All picks have to be your own. Montreal is completely capable of making this offer. Thst said it still sounds like a bs tweet from a bs source 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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