Scottydzik Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 29 minutes ago, DeNiro said: And you know he didn’t already try to do that? I don’t know how highly teams view Lind. Right now he’s an unproven prospect that requires waivers next season. It’s not like many trades were going down anyways. Did you want us to trade for Duncan Keith? No but a lot good guys in the expansion I’m sure Lind and 2nd for experienced bigger d was available so he’s lost Lind for nothing now has got 2 favourable defencemen d off board in oleksiak and Larsson and missed out on another 2 in graves and leddy not looking like a good offseason at all for him right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottydzik Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, RWJC said: Other NHL GMs to Benning: “oh you’re likely going to leave a waiver wire prospect eligible for the expansion draft, but we can give you a draft pick or two so we can lose him ourselves to either ED or waivers?? Even though we have our own dead weight we could get rid of? Oh and you want us to take Holtby too and his contract even though we’re almost at cap ourselves? And if one of them isn’t selected we have to figure that $&!? out on how to resolve the roster space and cap dollars??? WOW! Thanks Jimmy!! What a steal of a deal!! Here have a 2nd round pick for complicating things for us and making your own life easier.” I bet the phone’s been ringing off the hook from GMs just begging for this deal, so much so that Jim and his assistants can’t even keep up… C’mon man. You really gonna let him off hook 4 great defensive d we needed gone has cleared zero cap and traded a 3rd for 4th line centre and lost one of our top 5 prospects come on man 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amebushi Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, Scottydzik said: You really gonna let him off hook 4 great defensive d we needed gone has cleared zero cap and traded a 3rd for 4th line centre and lost one of our top 5 prospects come on man You really have him on the hook? JB is not even allowed to speak to UFA’s from other teams yet. These signings are completely beyond anyone in Vancouver’s control. He signed a very team friendly deal in Seattle BEFORE free agency opens up. What do you want them to do to stop this? As to Lind, seriously you think this is the big loss for us and needed to be protected? He is an unproven prospect. Personally I prefer Gadj over him. So Benning should have pulled a rabbit out of a hat and traded Lind for a pick (as if any team was lining up to make that trade) and then we lose a different prospect “for nothing”. Every team (except Vegas) is going to lose someone “for nothing”. I’m willing to bet that most of them lose more than us. I heard the Kraken are accepting new fans on their page, perhaps you should go over there. They have Larson and soon might have Lind. They will clearly need your infinite wisdom to plan their cup parade. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 That’s so depressing why would he not go to market could have gotten 4.5/5 with us and a better opportunity super sad 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJC Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 Just now, Scottydzik said: You really gonna let him off hook 4 great defensive d we needed gone has cleared zero cap and traded a 3rd for 4th line centre and lost one of our top 5 prospects come on man None of us have any idea what is to come yet. The off-season has barely even begun, and truthfully, the ED is only slightly impactful in terms of how it tinkers with most rosters. A lot of teams are simply using it to try and relieve cap. If the players aren’t taken through it, then the action will begin post ED. Lind was exposed because every team has a Lind and very few want to or can leverage draft picks to take another one on, especially in a case where Lind could also be scooped up by another team when he inevitably is sent down to the minors. I think JB understood that there is that risk going forward and instead put that into Seattle’s lap to manage. It allowed us to retain Gadj who I would argue has a far better chance of a 4th line role with this club this season. And acquiring Dickinson also made Lind expendable to a degree and seeing as he was immediately protected from ED it’s fair to say that consensus is we upgraded out of the whole ED prep/transaction experience and picked up a proven player over someone who still remains a question mark and vulnerable to poaching. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c00kies Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 We can get Lind back when Seattle waives him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 27 minutes ago, Scottydzik said: You really gonna let him off hook 4 great defensive d we needed gone has cleared zero cap and traded a 3rd for 4th line centre and lost one of our top 5 prospects come on man 1) who is this great top 4 defensive d he let go and 2) you clearly have no idea who Dickinson is and what he brings defensively. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted July 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 21, 2021 20 minutes ago, Scottydzik said: You really gonna let him off hook 4 great defensive d we needed gone has cleared zero cap and traded a 3rd for 4th line centre and lost one of our top 5 prospects come on man I don’t know if anyone is letting Benning off the hook, but rather, waiting to judge this off-season until after it’s actually completed. The Canucks were very active in trade talks leading up to the roster freeze. They only got the one deal done, with Dickinson (which was a great move IMO), but reportedly were in on several others, but ultimately either backed off, because they didn’t like the terms, or were outbid by other teams. That’s how it goes sometimes. And some of the deals that did happen were at values that I’m glad the Canucks weren’t willing to entertain. Sometimes the best move is no move. As for losing Lind, I’d say that a pretty acceptable outcome. Based on the numbers, Lind currently projects as having about a 10% chance of becoming an NHL player and 1% or less chance of becoming a “star” player. So basically around the same odds as maybe a 4th or 5th round pick. He was “our guy” so we probably overvalued him, but he was also a waiver eligible player who was unlikely to make the Canucks opening night roster, and the type of B/C grade prospect that every team has in their system. It’s not a big loss, especially compared to what other teams will be sacrificing to expansion. Benning does have a lot of work left to do this summer, if he hopes to improve the team, and we’ll see how successful he is. There will be plenty of time for holding him accountable, if he fails, but it’s far too early right now to judge this off-season as a success or failure. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 Any chance Larsson was a sign n trade to us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 What an entertaining thread. But yeah, there goes one option. Can't help but laugh at Edmonton though, their defense is somehow even worse than it was, and that's not saying much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conscience Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 Well that sucks , really thought he was a good fit here and that we would have had a good chance of signing him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Scottydzik said: You really gonna let him off hook 4 great defensive d we needed gone has cleared zero cap and traded a 3rd for 4th line centre and lost one of our top 5 prospects come on man Do you realize that only Seattle could talk to potential free agents ahead of the 28th? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottydzik Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: Do you realize that only Seattle could talk to potential free agents ahead of the 28th? So he could not say trade Lind or 7th round pick to get rights first the offseason is early so far it’s looking disappointing there’s no way he can go into season with same d corps and a lot good options are off books Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 1 hour ago, PistolPete13 said: 1 hour ago, 4petesake said: How is it that I read those words, and hear in those voices? Is it just me and a medication thing, you know; too much or too little? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 Just now, Scottydzik said: So he could not say trade Lind or 7th round pick to get rights first the offseason is early so far it’s looking disappointing there’s no way he can go into season with same d corps and a lot good options are off books Key words: The offseason is early. There's plenty of time for things to get done. I'm thinking Benning knows that there is a lot of pressure on him and how things play out will affect his future with the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucksownyou Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 Screw Seattle! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottydzik Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 Just now, PhillipBlunt said: Key words: The offseason is early. There's plenty of time for things to get done. I'm thinking Benning knows that there is a lot of pressure on him and how things play out will affect his future with the club. Well he’s got a lot of work to do he’s missed out on 4 great d that woulda fit our roster has cleared zero cap and lost one of our better prospects for nothing you’d be crazy not to be little worried 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfgang Durst Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 13 minutes ago, Coconuts said: What an entertaining thread. But yeah, there goes one option. Can't help but laugh at Edmonton though, their defense is somehow even worse than it was, and that's not saying much. just took a quick look into their discussion forum. I can tell you i really feel with Oilers fans. This offseason has been a torture for them so far. They hate Holland even more than some Canucks fans hate Benning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 Just now, Scottydzik said: Well he’s got a lot of work to do he’s missed out on 4 great d that woulda fit our roster has cleared zero cap and lost one of our better prospects for nothing you’d be crazy not to be little worried Which four D? I'm not going to get worried. It doesn't serve any purpose. Still a week before free agency. Lots of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Goose Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 Omg I hate Larsson and SEA. What a deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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