[Rumor] Nate Schmidt being dealt very soon any minute now

[sassbs]

Schmidt will do well next year!  He had a hard time transitioning to the country style defensive system we had!   Now that a new defence coach is here, I’m sure things will make sense for him.

 

letting him go makes as much sense as letting tofu go. 
 

 

[bree2]

2 hours ago, Devron44 said:

Trade a defencemen and go out and get two top 9 forwards. Ok…

and then where is our defense going to come from

[VegasCanuck]

13 minutes ago, Devron44 said:

Imo if the rumours are true it’s because he is probably our best asset we are willing to move.

 

I would be more then happy to have Schmidt back. When he’s playing his game he’s worth the price of his contract. 100% agree with your statement.
 

Personally I would rather see us add to our defence with Schmidt but that would be through free agency as I would like to keep the 9th overall.

 

Interesting times but exciting all at the same time 

I agree with what you're saying. I would also love to have him back but he is one of our more marketable assets, for improving our forwards position. As long as we have a plan to replace him on defense, I have no problem with the idea of moving him either.

 

I just constantly find how fans completely overlook what this last season was like for everyone on the team, and how hard it would have been, especially for guys who are really social and like to get to know their teammates, to be able to integrate with zero socialization time. By the time we hit our week long break, Canucks had played between 3 and 8 games more than ANY other team in the league. They ran that first stretch with 1, 3 day break and 2, 2 day break and all the rest, playing at minimum, every second night. There was no exhibition games and zero practice time for about the first 8 weeks of the schedule and then everyone's surprised that players look lost and out of place.

 

Just amazes me how callous fans can be in Vancouver.

[SilentSam]

I’d do Zadorov for Schmidt..  gives us space and makes us better physically on D.

[bree2]

1 hour ago, Canuckster86 said:

Schmidt in a deal for tarasenko and bortuzzo? We add Roussel or maybe Pearson (unlikely I know)

 

Then sign Schwartz 4yr 16m and have this for a lineup

 

Scwartz Horvat Tarasenko

Petey Miller Boeser

Pearson Dickinson Hoglander

Motte Beagle Podkolzin

 

Hughes Hamonic

Rathbone Bortuzzo

OJ Schenn/Bowey/Hanakappa??

what about Myers

[Kobayashi Maru]

3 minutes ago, SilentSam said:

I’d do Zadorov for Schmidt..  gives us space and makes us better physically on D.

I’d actually do that too.  Fits a very specific need and then we use FA to fill the other RD gap.

[Devron]

5 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said:

Just amazes me how callous fans can be in Vancouver.

Bingo. Schmidt didn’t just have a bad season. Practically everyone not named Boeser, Hoglander and Demko (and even he had a rough start). Should we be trading the other guys too. The stuff we went through last year is only going to make the team stronger. 
 

Ive seen stuff like “gifted” a playoff spot the season before. Fluked out. Goaltending the only reason. Eff off. Team has been on the up for awhile now but now because we had a crap shortened season with multiple factors effecting the group our players suck? C’mon. We let Toffoli go but he had nothing to do with the progression of this team. A nice piece but he had a cup of coffee and he was gone. 
 

We need a few pieces here but let’s not forget this isn’t the team that struggled in last years shortened team. No way!

[NHL97OneTimer]

2 minutes ago, Devron44 said:

Bingo. Schmidt didn’t just have a bad season. Practically everyone not named Boeser, Hoglander and Demko (and even he had a rough start). Should we be trading the other guys too. The stuff we went through last year is only going to make the team stronger. 
 

Ive seen stuff like “gifted” a playoff spot the season before. Fluked out. Goaltending the only reason. Eff off. Team has been on the up for awhile now but now because we had a crap shortened season with multiple factors effecting the group our players suck? C’mon. We let Toffoli go but he had nothing to do with the progression of this team. A nice piece but he had a cup of coffee and he was gone. 
 

We need a few pieces here but let’s not forget this isn’t the team that struggled in last years shortened team. No way!

Can't disagree enough with the Tofolli comment.  He was huge in a number of games which turned into key wins.  He was a difference-maker in the overall team stats that led to the playoffs.  He wasn't the top guy but he was the right guy for a number of key moments and those are the guys you want on the team.  The team is improving but we lost a difference-maker and he needs to be replaced adequately.

[Bertuzzipunch]

Schmidt, 9OA+2022 2nd

 

for 

Konecky, 14OA+2022 3rd

 

[Devron]

7 minutes ago, NHL97OneTimer said:

Can't disagree enough with the Tofolli comment.  He was huge in a number of games which turned into key wins.  He was a difference-maker in the overall team stats that led to the playoffs.  He wasn't the top guy but he was the right guy for a number of key moments and those are the guys you want on the team.  The team is improving but we lost a difference-maker and he needs to be replaced adequately.

We didn’t have a winning record with Toffoli in the 10 regular season games he played. He played 7 outta 17 playoff games due to injury. 

Great guy/player but has had little barring on the progression of this team. Would I like him on the Canucks hell yeah but that’s over now. We were on our way without him. He was brought in because Boeser was injured. Season ended and we started the playoffs. We don’t just suck because he’s gone now. He really had nothing to do with it 

[brian42]

2 hours ago, Bertuzzipunch said:

I think we go cheap with a patch job this upcoming season. Next offseason jim could get a couple real good ones, very deep next year. Another cross your fingers scenario 

This is what we are going to have to do, with our cap space even if we trade Schmidt we can’t fill all the holes until next year. 

[shazzam]

Do we have a freaking plan? Can't wait for UFA, going to sign more players we'll regret in a sec. The standard 6x6 Benning contract is ready

[Devron]

1 minute ago, shazzam said:

Do we have a freaking plan? Can't wait for UFA, going to sign more players we'll regret in a sec. The standard 6x6 Benning contract is ready

No there’s no plan. We are going to re-sign Loui Eriksson to another 6x6 and trade 4 draft picks to Boston to take on Holtbys contract. We also aren’t going to sign Pettersson. We are waiting for someone to offer sheet him so we can recoup the picks we traded to Boston. 
Yes the sky is falling.

[brian42]

I’m ok with trading Schmidt the Canucks will then pick up other D-men and I wouldn’t say Edler and Hamonic are for sure leaving. But Schmidt isn’t a fit with our team when we have Rathbone and Hughes. Either our D or our forwards will have to wait to be fixed next year. A patch job will have to do. If we solve our forwards for the most part and then solve the D next off season when we have more cap space that’s a win IMO.

 

id like to see our forwards look like this 

 

trade/UFA petterson Boeser

trade/UFA Horvat Hoglander

Pearson Miller Podz 

Dickenson Beagle Motte

 

3 lines that can score and a good checking line.

 

Dickeson would play center in case of injury, and we could trust that line for key defensive draws.

 

defense would have to be filled with cheaper patch jobs(which could work out) and could be upgraded next off season. 

[Plaguez]

2 Top 9 forwards...that's the goal? Not a top 4 defenseman, not a top 6 forward...2 top 9 forwards. Yeah. There is a problem with this management team.

[grandmaster]

3 hours ago, Bertuzzipunch said:

 

Why would JB trade a top 4 D for two top 9 wingers 

[Coconuts]

1 hour ago, VegasCanuck said:

Schmidt is a solid top 4 D, and he has proven that over the course of his career. He has one off season, due largely to joining a new team and getting zero time to acclimatize and integrate himself into the new systems and defense partners and suddenly, fans assume that he's an untalented idiot.

 

Only in Vancouver, does this happen!

For real though, fans and media alike in this market sure can be capricious regarding players, coaching staff, and management alike. 

 

This team needs D, especially if it's poised to run with a number of rookies/near rookies in Juolevi, Rathbone, and Hughes. The former two are near rookies, but Hughes will only be entering his third season. Vets are a must, particularly if Edler doesn't come back. 

 

Ideally we keep Schmidt imo, I don't think we've seen his best yet. And given the cluster&^@# that last season was, and how poorly several of our players performed because of it, that's not really a surprise. 

1 hour ago, oldnews said:

LeBrun's take isn't convincing in the least.

 

What are the team's primary needs?   Wadr, 'top 9' forwards is a pretty dumbass take on what they need.

 

They haven't re-signed Edler - and they haven't re-signed Hamonic.

 

They have no problem filling out their top 6, and with the debatable exception of 3C - (for which they already have one candidate) - there aren't really any other pressing needs in their bottom six.

 

What do they actually need?

 

A partner for Hughes - a RHD.  Their principal need - by a fair margin.

They have three young LHD - Hughes, Juolevi and Rathbone - they almost certainly want to add a more veteran left hand defenseman to that mix - or move Schmidt to the left side - and dealing Schmidt in order to get 'top 9 forwards' solves neither - in fact it takes one of their versatile veteran defensemen out of the mix - so if they're moving Schmidt, it creates the need to add at least a pair of defensemen, and that doesn't include the fact they'd need another RHD to fill out their 3rd pairing.

 

LeBrun's sounds like the take of someone that didn't do his homework and walked into the studio with some Cole's notes written by another lazy, distant Leafs clingon that has little idea of what Vancouver's roster needs actually are.

 

I mean seriously - take Schmidt out of that mix for 'two top 9 forwards'?

What tf does that look like?

 

Hughes                 ?

?                           Myers

Juolevi/Rathbone ?

 

 

EP Miller Boeser

Pearson Horvat Hoglander

Roussel ?Dickinson? Podkolzin

Motte Beagle Highmore/MacEwen

 

*two more "top 9 forwards"

(Virtanen)

 

So - they'd be assuming Podkolzin can't/doesn't make the team, and writing Roussel (or Pearson) out of the mix....?  while presuming that none of Lockwood, Gadjovich, etc could earn a bottom six spot.

Quite a stretch imo.

While being utterly oblivious to the work to be done on the blueline.

 

Thanks for the 'take', Pierre.

Great post, as per usual. Agree 100%.

 

1 hour ago, sassbs said:

Schmidt will do well next year!  He had a hard time transitioning to the country style defensive system we had!   Now that a new defence coach is here, I’m sure things will make sense for him.

 

letting him go makes as much sense as letting tofu go. 
 

 

I figure we should retain him as well, I know jumping on the "he wants out, get rid of him!" train or the "flip him and x for x and y" has often been the response, but I don't think that's how we should proceed. 

 

1 hour ago, VegasCanuck said:

I agree with what you're saying. I would also love to have him back but he is one of our more marketable assets, for improving our forwards position. As long as we have a plan to replace him on defense, I have no problem with the idea of moving him either.

 

I just constantly find how fans completely overlook what this last season was like for everyone on the team, and how hard it would have been, especially for guys who are really social and like to get to know their teammates, to be able to integrate with zero socialization time. By the time we hit our week long break, Canucks had played between 3 and 8 games more than ANY other team in the league. They ran that first stretch with 1, 3 day break and 2, 2 day break and all the rest, playing at minimum, every second night. There was no exhibition games and zero practice time for about the first 8 weeks of the schedule and then everyone's surprised that players look lost and out of place.

 

Just amazes me how callous fans can be in Vancouver.

I've argued this in regards to retaining Edler, but last season should not be looked at, or used, as a legitimate measuring stick for what our players are capable of or where there game is at. Last season was an anomaly, and the perceived negative performances of some of our players likely was as well to some degree. We opened the season with no training camp or preaseason, began the regular season with a gauntlet, ran into injury trouble, had almost the entire team catch Covid, and ended the season with a gauntlet because the league wanted every team to play the same number of games. Not only that, but we were forced to use much of our AHL depth, in tandem with our taxi squad, because things were so &^@#ed. 

 

If he's frustrated with how things went last season do people seriously think he's the only one? Hell, Edler almost had three consecutive 34 point seasons in a row prior to last season, and people still use his performance as some kind of argument for how his game suddenly fell off a cliff without taking, you know, the entirety of how &^@#ed last season was into account. Context matters. 

 

This whole Schmidt bit smells of media sensationalism and people reaching for a story leading into the dog days of summer. 

Edited July 22, 2021 by Coconuts

[Devron]

1 minute ago, grandmaster said:

Why would JB trade a top 4 D for two top 9 wingers 

Cause everything about Schmidt this summer has been crap 

[Ur a Towel]

1 minute ago, PLOGUE said:

2 Top 9 forwards...that's the goal? Not a top 4 defenseman, not a top 6 forward...2 top 9 forwards. Yeah. There is a problem with this management team.

Or you know, this is just a rumor and not actually 100% true of what the team is doing? It's funny how the people that have a problem with management are the ones that always just jump to conclusions immediately when they hear something. Also, top 9 forwards would include top 6 forwards in there.

[DeNiro]

14 minutes ago, PLOGUE said:

2 Top 9 forwards...that's the goal? Not a top 4 defenseman, not a top 6 forward...2 top 9 forwards. Yeah. There is a problem with this management team.

We need two top 9 forwards (2nd line winger plus third line center) and two top 4 D.

 

Thats why Benning needs to be very aggressive in the coming week.

 

We’ll need about 16 million to get that done:

 

Holtby (trade with retention?)
Roussel (buyout?)

Beagle (trade)

Virtanen (buyout)

Schmidt (trade)

 

Thats roughly 16 mil right there. It gets even easier if he convinces  someone to take Eriksson.

 

Edited July 22, 2021 by DeNiro