coryberg Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 8 minutes ago, mordekai said: Based on jfresh logic, Seth Jones new contract must the be the new worst? I don't need a chart to tell me that contract is horrible. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DeNiro Posted July 24, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 24, 2021 1 minute ago, ba;;isticsports said: Well considering our core was built with 1st rounders, I say yeah they are value ! Are these guys taking us to the top next year? With OEL only allowing to be traded to Boston or Vancouver, we were dealing from strength I would just like to know where all our talented young cheaper inserts will come from? Do you think we are a top team now? We are a presidents Cup team pushing it further now? Sorry until that time, top 9 1st round picks are relevant and always hold value as my assets Remember before we got the 9th pick , JB saying there are 9 really good guys in this draft ? Chances are some fell to him again and he had more than the 1 option to choose that he was talking about It seems he doesn't want to draft anymore now of his turnover in scouting in the last drafts The 9th wouldn’t make an impact for 4 years best case scenario. The team needs to be all in in the next 2 years otherwise core players just age out. 2 7 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Crabcakes Posted July 24, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: The success or failure of this deal really does hinge on whether OEL is an overrated, over the hill player on the decline or a star defenseman that had become disenfranchised with the terrible situation he was in in Arizona and still has a lot to give on a better team. Until we know for sure which is true, whether we won or lost this trade is still up in the air. I still think we need to improve the blueline though. We need a RHD that can defend at a high level, can ideally play with an edge, and can be acquired for relatively cheap. That's a tough ask. Maybe a hockey trade for Schmidt? 1 for 1? Our top 6 looks stupid good now though. Worst case, OEL = Edler 5 years ago. 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbllpp Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 9 minutes ago, Crabcakes said: What just happened? 1. Benning painted himself into a corner by adding players who were good in the past so they cost a lot of money, and they are not good any more. Canuck fans have resigned themselves to the reality that these contracts would expire in 2022 and that the team would be severely limited as to what they could do until then. Benning brought out his broom and swept 3 of the worst away. Eriksson 6.0 cap hit, Roussel 3.0 and Beagle 3.0. 2. Benning has been trying to add top 9 forwards and reasonable prices who play with jam, can skate and put up points also who fit in within the age range of the core (Horvat 26 and Hughes 21). Now, Garland is 25 and just coming into his own. He will likely slot into the 2nd line, sign for around $4.0, and put up 40 points. 3. Benning has been trying to add a top pair quality 2-way D who can move the puck, play the PP and PK, match up against top players and give us some offense. The cost. 9 OA, 2nd next year, 7th in 2 years. The benefits, all of the above. Now, the core of the Canucks has been drafted but they need to be properly supported. Draft picks should be considered as assets to be either used and the players developed over the next 3-5 years or parleyed into players who can support the present core today. In one fell swoop, Trader Jim awoke from a slumber and made the Canucks a helluva lot better. Is there more work to do? Of course, but I'm feeling a helluva lot more at ease with the line up that he might trot out on opening night. And the extra 4.75 Cap mitigates the impact of a run on our top RFAs 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Me_ Posted July 24, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 24, 2021 (edited) 15 hours ago, HomeBrew said: The bigger they are, the harder they fall... First of all those golden helmets should be illegal. Second, love how Garland is right in the middle of it all. Third, love how OEL just throws Stone to the ice without effort. We just got a couple of gems, people. Edited July 24, 2021 by Me_ 3 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post oldnews Posted July 24, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 24, 2021 5 minutes ago, ilduce39 said: He received Norris votes 3 years ago but thanks for the stupid graphic. 44 points 23:38 / game 162 hits But the guy has been a soft, slow, overpaid 3rd pairing defenseman for the last three yearz! Worst contract in the entire league! Seriously - that claim is embarrassing. Shoulda been a one-for-one for LE! Honestly - I got more than tired of the OEL rumours- particularly once it became clear how deluded Arizona was in seeking a ridiculous return for him - but as 1/3 of the value in this deal....including Garland - taking LE and Roussel (and my man Beagle)....much more in line with what most of us would have found acceptable last summer. 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, Canuckster86 said: I thought the retention was under 1m my the Coyotes? 990k every year of the contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad_BOI_pete Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 41 minutes ago, Wolfgang Durst said: Thanks Patrick.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilduce39 Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, oldnews said: 44 points 23:38 / game 162 hits But the guy has been a soft, slow, overpaid 3rd pairing defenseman for the last three yearz! Worst contract in the entire league! Seriously - that claim is embarrassing. Shoulda been a one-for-one for LE! Honestly - I got more than tired of the OEL rumours- particularly once it became clear how deluded Arizona was in seeking a ridiculous return for him - but as 1/3 of the value in this deal....including Garland - taking LE and Roussel (and my man Beagle)....much more in line with what most of us would have found acceptable last summer. Plus he just turned 30… I think people look at a few rough seasons and think his body has given out, but as Canuck fans we need to remember how many times we wrote off Edler and Tanev only to see them come back and play great hockey… and as much as I appreciate those two I don’t think they’re quite up to OEL’s peak ceiling. Edited July 24, 2021 by ilduce39 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cromeslab Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 25 minutes ago, DeNiro said: I love how some fans put so much value in a first round pick. Like that’s going to be the difference of us being a contender in 5 years. Here’s the thing, if we’re not a contender before 5 years we’re probably already in another rebuild anyways. The time to go for it is now. We have the core in place. First round pick always a gamble be interesting see how these picks pan out 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SergioMomesso Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 14 minutes ago, Tom Sestito said: They play the same side. That’s what will throw a wrench into the oppositions game plan. Overload the LD and suffocate the RW. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 6 minutes ago, Canuckster86 said: I thought the retention was under 1m my the Coyotes? You are right. 12%. or $990,000. Still a spectacular deal for the Canucks. Spectacular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebreh Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 A motivated OEL is beastly. Garland is like a gritty Gaudreau lol 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 1 minute ago, bbllpp said: And the extra 4.75 Cap mitigates the impact of a run on our top RFAs I think that Eriksson + Roussel + Beagle = 12.0 OEL 7.2 + Garland 4.0 = 11.2 But there is no need to go back to Edler 6.0 or even 2.0 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbllpp Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 Just now, Crabcakes said: I think that Eriksson + Roussel + Beagle = 12.0 OEL 7.2 + Garland 4.0 = 11.2 But there is no need to go back to Edler 6.0 or even 2.0 We don’t need to sign Garland until we need to sign him, gives us flexibility 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post khay Posted July 24, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 24, 2021 8 minutes ago, Tower102 said: As soon as we trade for a player, apparently they suck and are just cap dumps... TB with Miller, and now OEL with AZ. Is he overpaid? Yes. Is he a top 4 dman with the possibility of regaining #1 dman form? Yes. Pretty sure this is a way better deal than was speculated last summer. Pretty sure we all assumed a 1st to get rid of Eriksson based on past deals was market value. Pretty sure we would have been ok trading a 2nd and 7th to dump Beagle and Roussell. Pretty sure we would have been over the moon to take a free Garland and OEL. A lot of people here wanted Risto. OEL is better than Risto, and not much more expensive after the 12% retained. Risto netted a slightly worse 1st, a 2nd and Hagg... I get that Risto is younger but.... This is what I don't get. They want Risto but complain that we got OEL even when OEL is better than Risto. OEL is a suspect in his own end? What about Risto? Risto is big that's all that he's got on OEL. And look at what it cost to get him. If OEL didn't have a two team trade list, we don't get OEL at this cost. He's still a good player although no longer at the level he used to be. Also, OEL at slightly north of 7 mil is not too bad of a cap hit. He is still a smooth skating dman who transitions the puck very well and could suit the style that we play. He will have plenty of forwards that know what to do with the puck, unlike in Arizona. People complain that we should have just put up with one stinker of a season and let those bad contracts expire. I don't think that would sit well with the players. The players hate losing and to come back with the same team and finish in the bottom 5 would equate to losing morale and players feeling lost. This is not an NHL game where you can sim the whole season. The players digest the 82 game schedule with the goal of making the playoffs, it is extremely demoralizing to lose and feel inferior to other teams/players. The frustration level in the locker room after this season is higher among the players as evident from Horvat's comments. Last season saw us go on an upswing, winning two series, only to be let down this season. If no significant moves are made and the same type of season followed in 2021-22 season, the team may never recover and this core may be in jeopardy. Also, keep in mind the division that we are in. The three Cali teams are rebuilding, Calgary is in a disarray, Seattle doesn't look like they'll be as good as Vegas was, and Arizona is, well, Arizona. That leaves Vegas and Edmonton as the only teams that are likely to make the playoffs, which leaves the door open for Vancouver. We should capitalize on this opportunity. 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, bbllpp said: We don’t need to sign Garland until we need to sign him, gives us flexibility That's the media estimate. Only a number for comparisons sake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilduce39 Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 Garland seems like such a spark plug… all good teams need a guy like that. Playing in Arizona he feels like one of the best kept secrets in the NHL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, bbllpp said: We don’t need to sign Garland until we need to sign him, gives us flexibility He could get an offer sheet, rare I know but some team may throw a higher # than we might like 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Devron Posted July 24, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 24, 2021 Was just enjoying seeing a couple names on this here.. https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/coyotes 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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