Devron Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 1 minute ago, Ghostsof1915 said: To be fair he did mention, he's glad for a new start and to be happy playing again. Playing in the desert when your team is a revolving door of talent might have a deep effect on your morale. He said all the right things in my book. Knows he can be better. Change of scenery can do wonders 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Sestito Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 Just now, appleboy said: He also said he is trying to improve his conditioning. The Sedins conditioning has been elite since their mid twenties. That is how they played until 35. Trying to improve your conditioning at 30 is a bit late. Edler played his best hockey from 2014-2020. There’s precedent here if he can adjust his game and have a second prime. It’s unlikely but a definite possibility. I am going to reserve most of my judgement on how he performs on this team until game 82. I do think there’s basically no level he can perform at where people wouldn’t call him a top four D as we’ve seen with Myers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appleboy Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 Just now, Tom Sestito said: Edler played his best hockey from 2014-2020. There’s precedent here if he can adjust his game and have a second prime. It’s unlikely but a definite possibility. I am going to reserve most of my judgement on how he performs on this team until game 82. I do think there’s basically no level he can perform at where people wouldn’t call him a top four D as we’ve seen with Myers. We will all keep our fingers crossed. I think Hughes is going to want to get paid. If this guy is getting 8.25 then Hughes is worth 9 mil. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VforVasili Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 7 minutes ago, Tom Sestito said: Yeah, I don’t doubt some level of improvement because of the coaching change but there have been some insane denials of how bad OEL has been for the last few years. They need him to perform like an elite top four D. If they do, and his contract becomes only a slight overpayment, the trade becomes a win. If he performs near the level he has under Tocchet, we are &^@#ed. Only we aren't. The deal is very buyout friendly (especially when you factor in a rising cap) and unlike some of the guys they moved, he can still play the game and fill a role even if he is no longer a top pairing D-man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Sestito Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, appleboy said: We will all keep our fingers crossed. I think Hughes is going to want to get paid. If this guy is getting 8.25 then Hughes is worth 9 mil. We can’t be going relative to a bad contract. Hughes isn’t at the level of Heiskanen and Makar because of his defensive play compared to those guys. Hughes should slot in far lower. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nucker 67 Posted July 24, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 24, 2021 Could you imagine if Dubas pulled off a trade like this, unloading all of those bad contracts and bringing in a legit top pairing Dman and top 6 winger? It would be forever known as Dubas Day in Toronto, he'd be a hero. It kind of sucks to lose the 1st and 2nd, but picks get traded all the time by all teams. VAN is better, that's all that matters. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4petesake Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 1 hour ago, RWMc1 said: Why not? With Ferland's LTIR, we have over 22 million to work with right now We still have to sign Petey, Quinn, Garland and Dickenson though. If worse comes to worse and we can't move Jake and Holtby, then we sign lower cost Ufas to fill out the roster. Speaking of cap space.. Kind of a question from left field here - we know you can trade an LTIR contract but I can’t find anything on trading a recapture penalty. I’m sure the answer is no but does anyone know if there is a specific rule barring it? @mll? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWMc1 Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 1 minute ago, 4petesake said: Speaking of cap space.. Kind of a question from left field here - we know you can trade an LTIR contract but I can’t find anything on trading a recapture penalty. I’m sure the answer is no but does anyone know if there is a specific rule barring it? @mll? No, we're stuck with it for one more season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 21 minutes ago, Tom Sestito said: Feels like people weren’t happy when I said OEL hasn’t been good for five years - he himself said he’s struggled for the last four years. I guess when his standard for himself had become 20+ goals, those two 14 goal seasons, the 12 goal season and the 9 goal season are seen as pretty poor. He was on pace for 40+ points in each of the last 5 seasons. Including like I said multiple 10+ goal seasons. Was he great? No. Was he bad? Not really, could argue last year he was pretty bad. But I think most of his struggles came from not connecting with the coach and being on a team that never seemed to improve. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinatcc Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 17 minutes ago, EddieVedder said: Haha.. then this 'media person' is obviously clueless. OEL is one of best skaters in the league I don't want to sound like a negative nancy but what better to get a good read of a player from a specific team than with from people who report on that market? These are warning signs that should be taken into consideration Here is the interview : https://www.sportsnet.ca/650/vancouver-canucks-radio/craig-morgan-ekman-larsson-left-garland-electric-ice/ And to be fair he had nothing but great things to say about Garland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 15 minutes ago, 204CanucksFan said: Yeah and that coincides exactly with when Tocchet took over as head coach in Arizona. OEL and Tocchet really didn't get along to the point of taking veiled shots at each other in the media, which is exactly how I read this comment. This is why I think he is a prime candidate to have a strong bounce back season with a change of scenery. Hoping the players click with Green ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Sestito Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 3 minutes ago, N7Nucks said: I guess when his standard for himself had become 20+ goals, those two 14 goal seasons, the 12 goal season and the 9 goal season are seen as pretty poor. He was on pace for 40+ points in each of the last 5 seasons. Including like I said multiple 10+ goal seasons. Was he great? No. Was he bad? Not really, could argue last year he was pretty bad. But I think most of his struggles came from not connecting with the coach and being on a team that never seemed to improve. Points aren’t what I judge a defenseman by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, ShawnAntoski said: Hoping the players click with Green ? And Shaw. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, iinatcc said: I don't want to sound like a negative nancy but what better to get a good read of a player from a specific team than with from people who report on that market? These are warning signs that should be taken into consideration Here is the interview : https://www.sportsnet.ca/650/vancouver-canucks-radio/craig-morgan-ekman-larsson-left-garland-electric-ice/ And to be fair he had nothing but great things to say about Garland Yeah, I heard this whole thing live when the trade was about to be announced - the redflags are quite concerning given the contract but if the Twins has vouched for him, then maybe they will help mitigate any issue(s) (?) that was mentioned by the local reporter. How this turns out will now be associated with the twins. Edited July 24, 2021 by ShawnAntoski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 4 minutes ago, iinatcc said: I don't want to sound like a negative nancy but what better to get a good read of a player from a specific team than with from people who report on that market? These are warning signs that should be taken into consideration Here is the interview : https://www.sportsnet.ca/650/vancouver-canucks-radio/craig-morgan-ekman-larsson-left-garland-electric-ice/ And to be fair he had nothing but great things to say about Garland If 4 years of 40+ point seasons is a decline then JB pulled off a huge steal. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 Did this thread set a record for the quickest one to reach well over a hundred pages? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 Just now, PhillipBlunt said: And Shaw. Shaw is the more important coach with respect to OEL. Pretty much anybody showing any vital signs instead of Baumer would be a big upgrade. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 Just now, PhillipBlunt said: And Shaw. Not really concern with Shaw too much cause he has alot of examples were he was successful developing a player and a system; whereas, Green & Friends - they are still developing 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 8 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said: Could you imagine if Dubas pulled off a trade like this, unloading all of those bad contracts and bringing in a legit top pairing Dman and top 6 winger? It would be forever known as Dubas Day in Toronto, he'd be a hero. It kind of sucks to lose the 1st and 2nd, but picks get traded all the time by all teams. VAN is better, that's all that matters. TSN would be bringing in scientists to discuss how brilliant Dubas is and asking if he should be considered for the office of PM. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWMc1 Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 1 minute ago, PhillipBlunt said: Did this thread set a record for the quickest one to reach well over a hundred pages? Yes. VC or SN stated that yesterday. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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