JeremyCuddles Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 7 minutes ago, Tom Sestito said: Points aren’t what I judge a defenseman by. They should be if you're a offensive D-man. But even so, OEL's underlying numbers are bad but so was most of Arizona's team. And all people have against OEL are these dumbass WAR graphs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 1 minute ago, PhillipBlunt said: Did this thread set a record for the quickest one to reach well over a hundred pages? I think so According to @-Vintage Canuck- it beat the Shinkaruk/Granlund thread 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DeNiro Posted July 24, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 24, 2021 25 minutes ago, Tom Sestito said: Feels like people weren’t happy when I said OEL hasn’t been good for five years - he himself said he’s struggled for the last four years. Four years ago is when Tocchet took over from Tippett. Read between the lines and you’ll see it was a coaching issue. He’s not too different from Tortorella in terms of how he handles his players. I could see them clashing pretty good. There’s a reason why Tocchets out of a job too. 1 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post -Vintage Canuck- Posted July 24, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted July 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: Did this thread set a record for the quickest one to reach well over a hundred pages? 14 hours ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: The Shinkaruk/Granlund trade thread hit 100 pages in 12 hours. This trade thread hit 100 pages in 7.75 hours. We have a new record. 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 5 minutes ago, Tom Sestito said: Points aren’t what I judge a defenseman by. It is for the Norris trophy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 1 minute ago, Devron44 said: I think so According to @-Vintage Canuck- it beat the Shinkaruk/Granlund thread Jesus that's a good memory 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 1 minute ago, DeNiro said: Four years ago is when Tocchet took over from Tippett. Read between the lines and you’ll see it was a coaching issue. He’s not too different from Tortorella in terms of how he handles his players. I could see them clashing pretty good. There’s a reason why Tocchets out of a job too. Hated him when played, hated him as a coach. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Sestito Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 Just now, DeNiro said: Four years ago is when Tocchet took over from Tippett. Read between the lines and you’ll see it was a coaching issue. He’s not too different from Tortorella in terms of how he handles his players. I could see them clashing pretty good. There’s a reason why Tocchets out of a job too. I’m not disputing any of that. My point is it wasn’t a guarantee that Edler had a renaissance post-torts and turned into this fantastic defensive player rather than the primarily offense guy he was before. Now with OEL, you’re banking on that Edler-like renaissance and you basically need it to happen because of the contract that is attached to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Crossbar Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: Two unforgettable days in CDC history. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 14 minutes ago, Tom Sestito said: We can’t be going relative to a bad contract. Hughes isn’t at the level of Heiskanen and Makar because of his defensive play compared to those guys. Hughes should slot in far lower. TBH, I think "far lower" is wishful thinking. Makar just got 9 million AAV from the Avs.....I'd expect Quinn's number to be around 7.5 - 8, unless (as reported) JB can convince him to take a bridge deal, in the 5 or 6 range.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Sestito Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said: TBH, I think "far lower" is wishful thinking. Makar just got 9 million AAV from the Avs.....I'd expect Quinn's number to be around 7.5 - 8, unless (as reported) JB can convince him to take a bridge deal, in the 5 or 6 range.... I would bet you they go to a 2-3 year deal in the 6 range. That’s what I would pay him, at least. If you pay him more, you’d be banking on some hope that he improves defensively to be passable. He isn’t there yet. I wouldn’t want to risk that bet. I would do 8 years on Pettersson if we had the capspace. Edited July 24, 2021 by Tom Sestito 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
204CanucksFan Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 6 minutes ago, ShawnAntoski said: Hoping the players click with Green ? Sounds like Garland sure thinks it's going to work playing for Green. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortorella's Rant Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 It's a good deal on paper. Benning damned if he do, damned if he don't. I was obviously critical of him letting Toffoli walk for nothing - but now he's unloaded three guys who unfortunately weren't doing much for us and eating a ton of cap for two guys who should be able to contribute for many years to come. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinatcc Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 11 minutes ago, ShawnAntoski said: Yeah, I heard this whole thing live when the trade was about to be announced - the redflags are quite concerning given the contract but if the Twins has vouched for him, then maybe they will help mitigate any issue(s) (?) that was mentioned by the local reporter. How this turns out will now be associated with the twins. Yeah and to be honest the Twins vouching for OEL, if true, doesn't reassure me. How involved were the Twins when with Eriksson ? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 6 minutes ago, Tom Sestito said: I’m not disputing any of that. My point is it wasn’t a guarantee that Edler had a renaissance post-torts and turned into this fantastic defensive player rather than the primarily offense guy he was before. Now with OEL, you’re banking on that Edler-like renaissance and you basically need it to happen because of the contract that is attached to it. “No way to create great gains without taking great chances” - Bob Iger, ex-CEO of Walt Disney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 Just now, iinatcc said: Yeah and to be honest the Twins vouching for OEL, if true, doesn't reassure me. How involved were the Twins when with Eriksson ? Really? That’s where we’re going? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4petesake Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 12 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: And Shaw. My guess is that if it takes too long for the players to click with Green they’ll be trying to connect with Shaw. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 9 minutes ago, stawns said: Jesus that's a good memory Just goes to show the general population doesn’t know crap about players haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 9 minutes ago, stawns said: Hated him when played, hated him as a coach. I mean to me I think it’s obvious he’s calling out the coach without actually calling him out. I don’t think it’s a coincidence he said 4 years. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 8 minutes ago, Tom Sestito said: I’m not disputing any of that. My point is it wasn’t a guarantee that Edler had a renaissance post-torts and turned into this fantastic defensive player rather than the primarily offense guy he was before. Now with OEL, you’re banking on that Edler-like renaissance and you basically need it to happen because of the contract that is attached to it. Think pretty much the only player who excelled under Torts was Tanev but that's more on just how good defensively Tin Man was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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