JeremyCuddles Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 54 minutes ago, Timråfan said: Now when Benning is in Gillismode I hope you guys talk good of Gillis in the near future. I have no ill will towards Gillis, he added a good crop of depth pieces around our studs. What he didn't do, was draft. Like, at all. He drafted one player worth a damn and that was Horvat. And a top 10 pick a that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilduce39 Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, Maniwaki Canuck said: I dunno, with Hoglander and Podkolzin there's 2 ELCs in that forward group and another one just graduating. Similar situation on D. Seems like our pipeline has been good enough that we can afford this and the Miller trade. Wouldn't want to mortgage the future any more than this, but it's justified when a young core is in place and needs to be properly supported. Still think this trade was a stroke of genius. True… Brock, Motte and Rathbone only ones up next summer (with the Loui recapture off the books) and then hopefully the cap goes up. I didn’t realize we had 2 years of Hoglander… but when he’s up so are Bo and Miller and you’d think they can get decent raises if they want. I can see where Dayal was coming from - even if you can afford to keep those guys there might not be money to improve. I think Alf is on to something in that we’re going to see a few trades go down as we continue to round out the roster. JB has his work cut out for him but so far, so good as far as I’m concerned. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 Holtby for Debrusk? They get a goalie and we get a 3rd liner and a bit of cap space? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilduce39 Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 Two years of this forward group is pretty nice to look forward to though. Should be pure entertainment most nights! (And the D group aren’t shabby in the O zone either.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 1 minute ago, BPA said: Holtby for Debrusk? They get a goalie and we get a 3rd liner and a bit of cap space? Wow! That would be a great trade for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4petesake Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 14 minutes ago, ilduce39 said: To expand a bit, my mind is responding a lot to what I heard from Harman Dayal on one of those billion podcasts out there. While I usually find him fairy measured on Twitter and the Athletic he was kinda going off on the OEL trade. His biggest gripe was lack of ELCs coming in the pipeline to support the solid top 9 JB has put together. It’s a fair point… however it does ignore the possibility that we can recoup cheaper / younger players now that we are finally (hopefully) in a position to sell high on a piece or two. It’s not quite as bleak as Harm paints it, we need more like everybody else. ELC right now - Podz 3 years, Hoggy 2, MacEwen, Highmore, Rathbone, Lockwood, Bowey, DiPietro, Gadjovich all 1. Further down the roster Silovs & Plasek 3, Woo & Foch 2. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzipunch Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, BPA said: Holtby for Debrusk? They get a goalie and we get a 3rd liner and a bit of cap space? Nah get a pick and retain a mill we can use that 3.4 mill. No need for debrusk at all anymore. Rather try n pry clifton outta them 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 1 minute ago, BPA said: Holtby for Debrusk? They get a goalie and we get a 3rd liner and a bit of cap space? If we’re trading Holtby for a player it needs to be a third line center. Don’t need any more wingers in the bottom 6. Especially not ones with 3 million dollar cap hits. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, BPA said: Holtby for Debrusk? They get a goalie and we get a 3rd liner and a bit of cap space? I would have gone harder on Debrusk before we landed Garland. Our top 9 is pretty much set now. Still be worth it if we could flip Debrusk though. As of this moment there are still free agent goalies out there, and Boston has the cap space, so I don't see them going for Holtby unless they fail to outbid anyone and get desperate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilduce39 Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 1 minute ago, 4petesake said: It’s not quite as bleak as Harm paints it, we need more like everybody else. ELC right now - Podz 3 years, Hoggy 2, MacEwen, Highmore, Rathbone, Lockwood, Bowey, DiPietro, Gadjovich all 1. Further down the roster Silovs & Plasek 3, Woo & Foch 2. 3 years of Podkolzin is also a blessing. Him being squeezed by the KHL and unable to burn a year helps us in a roundabout way there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appleboy Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 I love the comments about how the team now has depth. LOL The NHL team still has some holes to fill before you can even say we are ready to compete. Those are lower end pieces so Jim should be able to fill them. Hopefully. There is no depth beyond the NHL group. Organizations who make long cup runs have players in their system to cover for injuries. We may be able to have a competitive team but injuries will still kill us. That is why many of us say they are rushing this. That is why the first and second round picks are so important. That is why a well built and stocked farm team is a big deal. I don't care about the playoffs and then out in the first round. I want an owner with the desire to win the cup. Please don't try to tell us how deep we have become. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Curmudgeon said: So do we call you two-skin? I don’t know what your into, but I was into a Guinness. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: I would have gone harder on Debrusk before we landed Garland. Our top 9 is pretty much set now. Still be worth it if we could flip Debrusk though. As of this moment there are still free agent goalies out there, and Boston has the cap space, so I don't see them going for Holtby unless they fail to outbid anyone and get desperate. Still think we go after another winger. Depends what Hughes and Petterssons cap hits come in at though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 I firstly want to make it clear I like this trade. It’s time to make a push with the core we have. Too many folks here though have PTSD from the LE contract and are worried. LE’s buyout structure was stupid due his age when he signed. OEL doesn’t appear to be the same. If OEL ends up being a disaster like some dooms day folks are worried about, the current buyout for him right now is under 2.5M per year and 3 years of under 5M for years 2022, 2025 & 2026. This is worst case scenario for all the negative Nelly’s out there. It would be manageable my friends…. https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/oliver-ekman-larsson#results All indications are he is excited to come and will give it his all. None of this was happening in Arizona. I’m willing to bet the floor will be a top 4 defenceman but the ceiling that he is still capable of reaching is back to being an elite number one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appleboy Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Still think we go after another winger. Depends what Hughes and Petterssons cap hits come in at though. Hughes , Petey, Dickinson and Garland. Plus OJ. Who did I miss? Lots of unknowns. They also must leave room to reup Boeser and Rathbone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, appleboy said: I love the comments about how the team now has depth. LOL The NHL team still has some holes to fill before you can even say we are ready to compete. Those are lower end pieces so Jim should be able to fill them. Hopefully. There is no depth beyond the NHL group. Organizations who make long cup runs have players in their system to cover for injuries. We may be able to have a competitive team but injuries will still kill us. That is why many of us say they are rushing this. That is why the first and second round picks are so important. That is why a well built and stocked farm team is a big deal. I don't care about the playoffs and then out in the first round. I want an owner with the desire to win the cup. Please don't try to tell us how deep we have become. From 2014-19: mostly patchwork, fill in gaps with lame FA's & waiver-types 2020 onwards: We're increasingly seeing more of our drafted youth & trade proceeds inserted into the roster. Benning has given up quite a few picks, sure. Despite this, I bet there aren't many teams who have drafted more NHL'ers since 2014. His batting % is like Ichiro's. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Still think we go after another winger. Depends what Hughes and Petterssons cap hits come in at though. Why though? As it currently sits, our top 9 wings are pretty stacked. Miller Hoglander Pearson Boeser Garland Podkolzin I think the obvious holes that need to be filled are one more bottom 6 center, and one more defensive RH (Two if Schmidt is moved). 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 31 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: I doubt it. They're still valuable, albeit overpaid. Perhaps we can make a hockey trade for Schmidt and land a more defensive minded RHD in return? I'd hope so, the only thing is that Benning has been trying to make these moves for weeks now and has landed nothing yet. I guess time will tell! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzipunch Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 9 minutes ago, appleboy said: I love the comments about how the team now has depth. LOL The NHL team still has some holes to fill before you can even say we are ready to compete. Those are lower end pieces so Jim should be able to fill them. Hopefully. There is no depth beyond the NHL group. Organizations who make long cup runs have players in their system to cover for injuries. We may be able to have a competitive team but injuries will still kill us. That is why many of us say they are rushing this. That is why the first and second round picks are so important. That is why a well built and stocked farm team is a big deal. I don't care about the playoffs and then out in the first round. I want an owner with the desire to win the cup. Please don't try to tell us how deep we have become. Team isnt even finished yet ya boner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timråfan Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Devron44 said: We Drafted Pettersson, Hughes, Hoglander, Boeser, Podkolzin, McCann, Rathbone, Demko etc. While JB has been here There will never be a comparison in that aspect Gillis didn’t have the same OAs Benning has. And I also talked about Benning are into Gillismode now trying for the Cup while throwing away his drafting. This is actually positive because now Benning is talking business instead of the dwelling in the celler before. Tankmode is gone and Gillismode in place. Edited July 25, 2021 by Timråfan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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