HKSR Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 19 hours ago, AnthonyG said: @JohnTavares OEL and Myers paired together this season rank top 10 for all D Pairs at 5v5 in the league with 150+mins together in GA T-3rd (5) SCA T-6th (73) HDCA T-5th (29) HDGA T-2nd (1) oiSV% 7th 94.57% They need to leave Myers and OEL together and stop splitting them up. 5v5 They’ve allowed 5 goals against in 158mins and 1 high danger goal against. You should post this in my other thread. I don't think people realize OEL-Myers is still a very effective 'defensive' pairing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klw604 Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 (edited) 20 hours ago, AnthonyG said: @JohnTavares OEL and Myers paired together this season rank top 10 for all D Pairs at 5v5 in the league with 150+mins together in GA T-3rd (5) SCA T-6th (73) HDCA T-5th (29) HDGA T-2nd (1) oiSV% 7th 94.57% They need to leave Myers and OEL together and stop splitting them up. 5v5 They’ve allowed 5 goals against in 158mins and 1 high danger goal against. Havent you watched ? When they get lost its a mess ! Myers passing is awful, recovers the puck, then it's about to explode off his stick, OEL is lost out there, gets caught on helpside way too often Edited November 16, 2022 by klw604 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyG Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 12 minutes ago, klw604 said: Havent you watched ? When they get lost its a mess ! Myers passing is awful, recovers the puck, then it's about to explode off his stick, OEL is lost out there, gets caught on helpside way too often When anyone gets lost its a mess. Regardless, they are not allowing as many opportunities against as you want to believe. OEL and Myers together are a solid pair, but they have been split up for the majority of the time due to injuries in the lineup and having to help watch Stillman, Rathbone, Juulsen etc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyG Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 1 hour ago, HKSR said: You should post this in my other thread. I don't think people realize OEL-Myers is still a very effective 'defensive' pairing. Dont worry I will put something together in the other thread to show just how OEL and Myers are right with the top pairings in the league in terms of limiting chances against 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 19 hours ago, combover said: Ekman-Larsson on the other hand, apparently won't waive his no-trade clause and has been approached by the team more than once. Talk about an awkward situation brewing.... Even if he would, it wouldn't be worth paying the cost it'd probably take to move him He can ride out his contract here, someone's gotta play top 4 while we rebuild 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaninMex Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 3 hours ago, klw604 said: Havent you watched ? When they get lost its a mess ! Myers passing is awful, recovers the puck, then it's about to explode off his stick, OEL is lost out there, gets caught on helpside way too often Did you see Hughes and Schenn last night? OEL had a good game with Bear Myers had a good game with Burroughs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaninMex Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 2 hours ago, AnthonyG said: Dont worry I will put something together in the other thread to show just how OEL and Myers are right with the top pairings in the league in terms of limiting chances against While I agree with you that they have been effective, I think Myers with Burroughs is better. I also saw OEL playing much better with Bear except for one play he got beat on that lead to a goal. He was tracking the puck to his left but the forward took the puck as he was moving to OEL right. OEL got beat and puck went in. Both OEL and Myers looked more mobile. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyG Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 6 minutes ago, FaninMex said: While I agree with you that they have been effective, I think Myers with Burroughs is better. I also saw OEL playing much better with Bear except for one play he got beat on that lead to a goal. He was tracking the puck to his left but the forward took the puck as he was moving to OEL right. OEL got beat and puck went in. Both OEL and Myers looked more mobile. This is what is frustrating is the coaches are not utilizing effective pairs together, instead they keep splitting them up and giving guys baby sitting tasks. Stillman has been attrocious and every single pairing he has been on has allowed a goal. There is a common denominator and that is him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
granpappy Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 benning wanted to give erickson a 2nd round pick when he signed him ... luckily lou couldnt accept Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyG Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 Just going to leave this here for everyone to see and lol at the haters 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NHL97OneTimer Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 Unless the Canucks are truly going to retool as a contender in the next 4 years, OEL's contract will not be the problem. If they can't unload him, just let it ride out and work on loading up on draft picks with trading Boeser, Miller & Garland. They could likely get a draft pick for Myers too if they retain cap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougieL Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 10 hours ago, AnthonyG said: Just going to leave this here for everyone to see and lol at the haters Cam Charron analyzes every Canucks game in quite a bit of detail, and his assessment of OEL is nowhere near top-4. He rates him at about a 3rd pair guy...and earlier in the season, barely that. His assessment (to me) is more commensurate with the eye test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maginator Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 11 hours ago, AnthonyG said: Just going to leave this here for everyone to see and lol at the haters I have no idea how to read this mumbo jumbo. What is a good Corsi number and what is bad? Care to elaborate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyG Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 1 hour ago, dougieL said: Cam Charron analyzes every Canucks game in quite a bit of detail, and his assessment of OEL is nowhere near top-4. He rates him at about a 3rd pair guy...and earlier in the season, barely that. His assessment (to me) is more commensurate with the eye test. No offence but everyone that already dislikes OEL because he isnt the saviour and his cap hit is 7.2mil… There is going to be a bias agreement on any negative outlook on OEL. But they’ll turn a blind eye to Schenn and Hughes. Its the same with Poolman, he’ll make 2-3 subtle plays that are very smart plays, but no one notices and then the moment he does something slightly wrong everyone just blows up 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Mind Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 (edited) 23 minutes ago, AnthonyG said: No offence but everyone that already dislikes OEL because he isnt the saviour and his cap hit is 7.2mil… There is going to be a bias agreement on any negative outlook on OEL. But they’ll turn a blind eye to Schenn and Hughes. Its the same with Poolman, he’ll make 2-3 subtle plays that are very smart plays, but no one notices and then the moment he does something slightly wrong everyone just blows up If a player has a bad contract, he will receive heavier criticism. In OEL's case, not only are some frustrated by the contract, but also the cost to acquire him. Edited November 17, 2022 by Master Mind 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post aGENT Posted November 17, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 17, 2022 20 minutes ago, AnthonyG said: No offence but everyone that already dislikes OEL because he isnt the saviour and his cap hit is 7.2mil… There is going to be a bias agreement on any negative outlook on OEL. But they’ll turn a blind eye to Schenn and Hughes. Its the same with Poolman, he’ll make 2-3 subtle plays that are very smart plays, but no one notices and then the moment he does something slightly wrong everyone just blows up It's like we have two Edler's on the roster now with Myers and OEL Guy got nothing but shade during our worst years. The team started to improve towards the bubble run and suddenly Edler was having a "renaissance". Goes to the Kings and continues to play well... maybe he was just a good player on a bad team...? It's almost like this is a team sport and it's hard to look good on a crappy team. Particularly when you're one of the guys being leaned on defensively, usually in the harder minutes and matchups... Most of this teams problems tie directly back to poor roster construction. We have good players here. But a lot have redundant, non complementary skill sets, ill fitting partners/line mates, lack of puck supporting/defense capable F's in the top 9 etc. Good players, bad team. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyG Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, Maginator said: I have no idea how to read this mumbo jumbo. What is a good Corsi number and what is bad? Care to elaborate? Good CORSI is anything >53% anything between 47%-53% is okay bad CORSI is anything below 47% CORSI is a measure of possession, who controls the play. Its measured by shots for vs shots against. For example if you have 6 shots for and I have 4 shots against, for a total of 10 shots, you control 60% of the shots. However when looking at CORSI there are things to consider. Such as what the players primary deployment is. How I view CORSI is I weigh it against their zone start % Typically you’ll see a fluctuation in either direction of anywhere between .1-10% plus or minus. Any fluctation of 3% I find to be reasonable because it can be due to bounces, lost faceoffs, shot blocks and other things that may lead to small changes in possession that are normal in a game. Its not all on that player. But when I start to see 6-9% fluctuations its clear that there is either an issue on the ice or they are driving possession. For example 60% offensive zone starts with a 60% CORSI is a player that maintains possession, doesnt drive it or lose it. 50% offensive zone start with 58% CORSI is a player who drives possession - 50/50 zone distribution and almost 60% of the play is in the oppositions end. 60% offensive zone start with a 50% CORSI is a player who is losing possession - you are starting in their zone “60%” of the time, yet the shots are 50/50. That is how CORSI is measured, I just tend to look at more than CORSI to get a better understanding of what is really going on. You could look solely at CORSI and see 57% CORSI and think holy crap thats solid! But then look at their zone start and see a 70% offensive zone start and then CORSI doesnt look to good. Zone start and CORSI are always very close in % and as much as some people want to bash zone start % they are completely relatable and parallel stats which if measured against one another tells you if they drive possession, maintain possession or lose possession Edited November 18, 2022 by AnthonyG 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyG Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 13 minutes ago, aGENT said: It's like we have two Edler's on the roster now with Myers and OEL Guy got nothing but shade during our worst years. The team started to improve towards the bubble run and suddenly Edler was having a "renaissance". Goes to the Kings and continues to play well... maybe he was just a good player on a bad team...? It's almost like this is a team sport and it's hard to look good on a crappy team. Particularly when you're one of the guys being leaned on defensively, usually in the harder minutes and matchups... Most of this teams problems tie directly back to poor roster construction. We have good players here. But a lot have redundant, non complementary skill sets, ill fitting partners/line mates, lack of puck supporting/defense capable F's in the top 9 etc. Good players, bad team. I was honestly going to bring up the Edler thing. Where he was ridiculed by many and then goes to LA and everyone is like “wtf where was this the last couple years”…. It was right there infront of everyones eyes, their bias dislike towards him only made them focus on any and every little teeny tiny error and never took notice of allllll the other things he does. The more I watch this team play the more I’m in agreement that maybe its not systems, maybe its just the lack of complementary players that deepen the on ice chemistry. I mean I’m also trying to be patient and understand that we do have quite a few new faces, new systems and guys that are still figuring the NHL out… Last game was nice to see PK and PP both be the difference maker.. slowly its coming together…. I think if we found a Top pairing Dman for Hughes that complements his game, we could keep Myers and OEL together and maybe Schenn and Bear could be a 3rd pair with Burroughs as a #7. Might be time to move Rathbone in a package with Horvat (IF he is done in Van) to try and land a top pair dman. I’m also not really sold on Kuzmenko… his hands and shot are great… but his skating is pretty ugly. Its choppy and he looks like he’s bailing hay. I’d like to see him work on his skating this off season. I was hoping/expecting a faster/better skater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyG Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 28 minutes ago, Master Mind said: If a player has a bad contract, he will receive heavier criticism. In OEL's case, not only are some frustrated by the contract, but also the cost to acquire him. So why pin that hatred on him? I mean sh!t we NEED dmen. Before OJ and Hughes, We havent drafted one in the first round since Bourdon (RIP). Which is why JB targeted a dman after drafting 3 forwards. Its just extremely unfortunate that after being drafted he suffered several knee and back injuries and required surgery. Which OJ was the top ranked Dman going into that draft by most. We were soooooo far behind on talent and development when JB took over… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Mind Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, AnthonyG said: So why pin that hatred on him? I mean sh!t we NEED dmen. Before OJ and Hughes, We havent drafted one in the first round since Bourdon (RIP). Which is why JB targeted a dman after drafting 3 forwards. Its just extremely unfortunate that after being drafted he suffered several knee and back injuries and required surgery. Which OJ was the top ranked Dman going into that draft by most. We were soooooo far behind on talent and development when JB took over… Personally I don't think it's right to pin hate on the player directly. Whether it's OEL, Myers, etc. They're doing the best they can out there, and can't blame them for taking the money. However, when a player is paid higher than what he's providing on the ice, more scrutiny follows. That's why you don't see it with Schenn, as he has a smaller contract. Any hate towards a player should be directed at management. That's who acquired the player after all. In OEL's case, we overpaid for an overpaid player, so fans are frustrated. We do need dmen. The best way to build a defense is through drafting. Yet we keep trading picks away... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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